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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 28, 2021 1:19:49 GMT
Is this leftist nut job ok in your book Macky ?... Funny how this crazy leftist moron is never held accountable, but then again she's a Democrat and their reprehensible behavior is allowed by the media... She looks a lot like the late James Brown. No disrespect meant to James. 😂 Bill O'Reilly took some heat when he said that Maxine Waters looked like James Brown on steroids. I saw James Brown in concert when I was a teenager. He's better looking than Maxine.
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 4:03:58 GMT
. Obama inherited the greatest recession since the Depression. I don't know what he did or not to try and fix it. Trump certainly didn't face that situation when he took office, for whatever reason. Not what I found macky..... 21st Century Recessions 2020 Recession. The 2020 recession was the worst since the Great Depression. ... 2008–09. The Great Recession lasted from December 2007 to June 2009, the longest contraction since the Great Depression. ... 2001. The 2001 recession lasted eight months, from March to November. ... 1990–91. ... 1970. ... 1957. ... 1953. ... 1949. All right, Matey. I'll accept your information source as better than mine. I never followed Obama much, because my time was taken up with Skeptoid's "Follow-the-US-govt-story" articles on many important events, despite solid evidence that I presented to the contrary. Mainly 9-11, but others too. I'm sure you have a better source than I do.
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 4:28:25 GMT
Probably in an attempt to undo the damage that the previous administration had done, and restore some normality. What.....? What "damage" ? And try to remember that we live here in the U.S., you don't, and as such have no actual experience with what is happening here C'mon macky, we know you hate President Trump, but that is ridiculous "Restore some normality"....as in opening the border up and letting thousands of people just swarm across the border ? Or closing an important pipeline ? You haven't read one of my last posts re the southern border, Matey. I'm not saying that Biden etc are right in opening up the place. Sorry I should have said earlier that it's in the "Is This Progress" thread of Brother's. The damage that Trump did to American prestige, confidence, and govt order around the world, something you wouldn't probably have much of an idea about, because as you say you live there in the US. Inside the goldfish bowl. As I've said before, public displays of tantrums and uncontrolled petty name calling of his "enemies" don't make for much confidence of a large proportion of the Globe which is in turn largely under a degree of American control. When the world is treated to such undisciplined behaviour, and Trump's Rep sycophants that think more of their own political careers than they do of the American good, then the world grows more uneasy by the month, as per what the hell is happening in America that allows this sort of thing to take place, especially on a regular basis, with no less that the president himself. It makes for what should be a composed and thoughtful presidential presentation into a raving circus of a dismal display of someone with the emotional age of a teenager. And as you well know, you never send a boy to do a man's job. And I'm not confining my criticisms with only Republicans either. There's crackpots on both sides in the woodwork. Why they are tolerated (as Trump was) shows how low American decorum in presidencies and govt process has become. And I'll say it again and again for as many times as it takes. I do NOT hate Trump. He is what he is, a product of a father who only recognized two classes of people, winners and losers.
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 4:41:59 GMT
I accept the implications of what you are saying Mags and endorse your reasoning, but I HAVE examined the transcript, and while some of the things Trump said are certainly debatable as to whether he actually incited the crowd to violence, it didn't stop what happened. And some evidence for that starts in the statements to the FBI (or police) of those arrested and charged, where they asserted that they were "sent by Trump" or similar. The unfortunate girl that was shot had already stated on social media before the riot that she was going there to 'take back America', or some such similar statement that left no question in the reader of what she was going to do. And finally the vote which seems to be ignored when I mention it, 57 vs 43 to convict Trump. That's a solid majority under any circumstances except in America where complicated laws and rules end up by letting crims off the hook, quite often, plea bargaining etc. And that is not MSM, it's plain facts that are free of misinterpretation. 1) Many Trump supporters said they were sent by Trump. 2) The vote to convict. We can take pieces out the transcript and argue for and against all day long, without coming to any agreement. But you can't argue against those facts. OK, so you aren't going to watch the second video I posted either... I don't know why you keep posting youtubes taken in the heat of the moment, instead of solid records. You haven't answered to much of what I've said to you in answer to your statements, just posted videos of excited people. Why don't you examine the FBI page I've sent the link to well back in the postings, and see what that crackpot Angeli said later in his interview ? That's solid record not video displays of shouting in excited states of emotion. And the girl certainly DID say on social media what she was going to do. She was also a QAnon adherent which tells you how far things have gone in the US when you have military veterans such as her and Angeli either storming or being allowed by police into the Capitol building. Only in America. Crackpots like that Margorie Greene in the Republicans, another QAnon supporter. What ??
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 4:45:26 GMT
Is this leftist nut job ok in your book Macky ?... Funny how this crazy leftist moron is never held accountable, but then again she's a Democrat and their reprehensible behavior is allowed by the media... She's not leftist in the sense of proper socialism. She's just a raving crackpot. Someone who's been let out on a day pass. What crap she's on about. What the world is also dismayed about, is how crackpottery on both "sides" is listened to seriously by so many people.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 28, 2021 10:49:24 GMT
OK, so you aren't going to watch the second video I posted either... I don't know why you keep posting youtubes taken in the heat of the moment, instead of solid records. You haven't answered to much of what I've said to you in answer to your statements, just posted videos of excited people. Why don't you examine the FBI page I've sent the link to well back in the postings, and see what that crackpot Angeli said later in his interview ? That's solid record not video displays of shouting in excited states of emotion. And the girl certainly DID say on social media what she was going to do. She was also a QAnon adherent which tells you how far things have gone in the US when you have military veterans such as her and Angeli either storming or being allowed by police into the Capitol building. Only in America. Crackpots like that Margorie Greene in the Republicans, another QAnon supporter. What ?? I should "examine FBI pages" and "solid records" that were written after the fact by people who weren't there rather than witness what actually happened via video and/or talk to people who WERE actually on site when it happened ? Ok, since your minds made up and no amount of indisputable evidence to the contrary will sway you from your 'belief' there's no point in continuing...
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Post by Magnus on Jun 28, 2021 11:04:04 GMT
What.....? What "damage" ? And try to remember that we live here in the U.S., you don't, and as such have no actual experience with what is happening here C'mon macky, we know you hate President Trump, but that is ridiculous "Restore some normality"....as in opening the border up and letting thousands of people just swarm across the border ? Or closing an important pipeline ? You haven't read one of my last posts re the southern border, Matey. I'm not saying that Biden etc are right in opening up the place. Sorry I should have said earlier that it's in the "Is This Progress" thread of Brother's. The damage that Trump did to American prestige, confidence, and govt order around the world, something you wouldn't probably have much of an idea about, because as you say you live there in the US. Inside the goldfish bowl.
As I've said before, public displays of tantrums and uncontrolled petty name calling of his "enemies" don't make for much confidence of a large proportion of the Globe which is in turn largely under a degree of American control. When the world is treated to such undisciplined behaviour, and Trump's Rep sycophants that think more of their own political careers than they do of the American good, then the world grows more uneasy by the month, as per what the hell is happening in America that allows this sort of thing to take place, especially on a regular basis, with no less that the president himself. It makes for what should be a composed and thoughtful presidential presentation into a raving circus of a dismal display of someone with the emotional age of a teenager. And as you well know, you never send a boy to do a man's job. And I'm not confining my criticisms with only Republicans either. There's crackpots on both sides in the woodwork. Why they are tolerated (as Trump was) shows how low American decorum in presidencies and govt process has become. And I'll say it again and again for as many times as it takes. I do NOT hate Trump. He is what he is, a product of a father who only recognized two classes of people, winners and losers. One of Trump's great accomplishments was making "a large portion of the globe" start paying their fair share instead of just taking 'welfare' handouts like they were used to. The shameful creeps who run these countries couldn't wait for Trump to get out and Biden to get back in and continue with Obama's anti-American 'legacy'... The last thing I'll say in this thread is it's pretty funny how regardless of who is in charge, foreigner's from south of the border along with every other corner of the globe have never once stopped lining up to get into this "damaged" country...
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 28, 2021 16:23:53 GMT
The arrogant socialist Mad Queen of NZ: "We will continue to be YOUR SINGLE SOURCE OF TRUTH."
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 28, 2021 20:31:43 GMT
Bob Hughes (ret) owner of Maricopa County AZ ballot printing company, Marketing Resources, June 27, 2021:
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 21:09:43 GMT
I don't know why you keep posting youtubes taken in the heat of the moment, instead of solid records. You haven't answered to much of what I've said to you in answer to your statements, just posted videos of excited people. Why don't you examine the FBI page I've sent the link to well back in the postings, and see what that crackpot Angeli said later in his interview ? That's solid record not video displays of shouting in excited states of emotion. And the girl certainly DID say on social media what she was going to do. She was also a QAnon adherent which tells you how far things have gone in the US when you have military veterans such as her and Angeli either storming or being allowed by police into the Capitol building. Only in America. Crackpots like that Margorie Greene in the Republicans, another QAnon supporter. What ?? I should "examine FBI pages" and "solid records" that were written after the fact by people who weren't there rather than witness what actually happened via video and/or talk to people who WERE actually on site when it happened ? Ok, since your minds made up and no amount of indisputable evidence to the contrary will sway you from your 'belief' there's no point in continuing... Videos are not always indisputable evidence. They provide a backing to whatever is being promoted but can be clipped to imply something which is not the whole story. You understand that, don't you, Mags ? The interviews and solid records of those charged are what they will stand trial on, whether it's actually true or not. Their statements have been taken after the hue and cry has died down and the arrested have had time to think about their actions and what they are now facing. Do you also not understand that whether rioters or peaceful demonstrators forced their way into the Capitol, or were let in by Police then THAT's the disorder and confusion of America right at its supposed bastion of democracy and governance. It's much the same thing that the world watched in dismay when four passenger aircraft were left to fly unhindered or even rendezvoused by American defence forces, for their entire flights into civilian and military targets, said flights tracked on primary radar for their entire flights. Did you know that ? Air force radar tracked them the whole way. Why were jet fighters sent out to sea ? Either way, American responses were a shambles on that day. The greatest country in the world, successfully attacked by 19 scruffy terrorists flying sophisticated airliners with only light aircraft and limited SIM training, and America stood by and watched it happening. Exactly the same almost 20 years later when an attack on the Capitol was met with a range of responses that spanned one person being shot dead, and others being let in by Police. If you can't see that when that happens the world looks on in wonder and dismay that the greatest country on Earth can monitor and maintain control over a large portion of the globe, but can't protect its own backyard, on at least two world-changing events. And as far as Trump's culpability for the riot is concerned, it's not my opinion that matters, it's the 57 vs 43 vote for his conviction that you fail to address despite my continued mention of it. Right or wrong, members of your own governors from both parties voted to convict Trump for his part in the whole thing. Doesn't that mean anything to you or the rest on here ? Or is it just when it suits your views ? McConnell, a senior politician of the Republican party, votes against Trump's conviction, dragging other Reps with him, then comes out after and publicly lambasts Trump for his part in the whole thing. What do you think that looks like to the rest of the world ? And as far as watching a video of a Trump rally that is well over an hour in length in order to gain an impression at your invitation of what many Americans think, there's no question that that only needs the ten minutes I watched. In the meantime, I've respectfully requested the transcript of that particular rally because I'm prepared to read it all the way through as per what Trump has actually said, and you haven't even responded one way or the other. Come on Mags, I don't go on like this just to stir my mates up. I put a lot of my time into trying to warn you guys that things are not right in "your" country.
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Post by macky on Jun 28, 2021 21:22:43 GMT
One of Trump's great accomplishments was making "a large portion of the globe" start paying their fair share instead of just taking 'welfare' handouts like they were used to. The shameful creeps who run these countries couldn't wait for Trump to get out and Biden to get back in and continue with Obama's anti-American 'legacy'... The last thing I'll say in this thread is it's pretty funny how regardless of who is in charge, foreigner's from south of the border along with every other corner of the globe have never once stopped lining up to get into this "damaged" country... 1) At least the Five Eyes group have always paid their dues. That another "all-embracing" Trumpism that's certainly not true in all cases, NZ and OZ (at least) followed the US into Vietnam, and up until the States spat the dummy over NZ's anti-nuclear stance always engaged in co-defence war games. 'Shameful Creeps" has its counterparts in the States as well. You know that, you complain about them (rightfully) often enough. And of large portions of the Globe aside from the Five Eyes are not paying their dues, then could that be, I wonder, that they haven't got much left to pay after decades of plundering by American corporates set up by the CIA ? 2) Foreigners have no idea what they are getting into. At the last, it's better than being brutalized in their home countries. The US should invade Mexico and oust the drug cartels and execute the lot of them. That would be a genuine world service, and get rid of the southern border problem once and for all. You know why that won't happen. Does "PTB" ring a bell, Mags ?
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Post by macky on Jun 29, 2021 5:05:08 GMT
The arrogant socialist Mad Queen of NZ: "We will continue to be YOUR SINGLE SOURCE OF TRUTH." Sure, you'll get no argument from me on that one. But criticizing others unrelated to the US primarily doesn't help solve problems in "your" country, does it ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 1, 2021 12:21:19 GMT
...... criticizing others ..... doesn't help solve problems in "your" country, does it ? Right back at you, m8. Who is unrelated to whom? It's odd to me that you reject the MSM narrative about 911, but fully embrace the contradictory and false MSM narratives about Trump and current events.
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Post by macky on Jul 1, 2021 20:13:44 GMT
I reject the 9-11 narrative only on who the actual perpetrators were, based on evidence against the US Govt Official Story, the Hani Hanjour anomalies in Chapter 7 of the 911 Commission Report, and FBI files evidence presented in Court that clearly contradicted the Olson story of Fl77, plus NTSB flight study evidence that clearly contradicted said 911 narrative. The bogus still-shots of the gate cam at the Pentagon alleged showing Flight 77 impact, blatantly false because the full shots that are now cropped showed the following day in the time/date stamps, BTS evidence that showed Flight 77 never to have departed that day. And more.
I do not reject evidence of Biden's reported mishandling of important issues currently, nor other govt initiatives that are contrary to sound management. All I've said about Biden in positive light is that he stated a commitment to work as hard for those that didn't vote for him, as those that did, and has returned to sensible alliances with other countries that were cancelled by the previous administration.
What many Americans seem to believe is that "their" country can get along fine without the global alliances and commerce that has now become a key factor in America's survival due to decades of reliance on corporate global plundering of CIA-initiated regime-changed countries, and outsourced labour and tech-expertise. Trump interfered with much of that and the PTB who essentially rule America saw to it that he was ousted in the election, whether rigged or not.
The narrative re Trump's outrageous public behaviour is certainly MSM as you say, but like I've often said to you, not everything the MSM (both sides since you keep bringing MSM up) says is bullshit. There are also many accounts of his behaviour on sites not normally counted as MSM.
Trump's performance in the first "debate' with Biden capped off four years of unruly un-presidential-like behaviour, and many other incidences. In other words, cams that were broadcast around the world on news channels and were never disputed by Trump's people.
Politics is about appearances as much as substance, and Trump presented an unstable appearance to the world, the Capitol rioting the final straw for the world viewers.
You simply can't keep on quoting MSM as a buffer against what is true. It's too convenient an excuse to disparage what you don't want to hear, and/or what you want to argue against.
That is why I went for evidence against 9-11 Official Story through govt files and careful analysis of the story mainly through details of the flights themselves. It was initiated in me on the day the first photograph of the hole in the Pentagon wall (taken shortly after the alleged collision of Fl77, a B757 airliner) which didn't show any holes to each side (of the engines), nor slash marks of the wings. I didn't have time to pursue any research in those days because I was looking after my wife 24/7, but after she passed, I had plenty of time to look at evidence and argue with Skeptoid.
And by what you really mean "leftist" MSM, you completely ignore "rightist" MSM and Centrist accounts of many instances of Trump's juvenile behaviour. Finally inciting a riot while he was still president, directly against democratic electoral process, and having a clear majority voting to convict him for same.
If you don't agree with that, then you have to convince the 57 voters that they were wrong, and the FBI who have arrested and charged over 400 people so far, and are looking for others that were photographed committing violent actions against Police etc.
In the meantime, you have to accept that some things you don't like actually DO happen, and have solid evidence for them.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 3, 2021 16:42:28 GMT
Tally of January 6, 2021 participating Capitol police who have "committed suicide" now at 4.
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