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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 17, 2021 21:52:41 GMT
They don't seem to realise Biden is senile, even though he obviously is? Hardliners on the left and right both think he's ridiculous, why are they so keen to paint him in a competent light?
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Post by Magnus on Jun 17, 2021 23:37:35 GMT
The simple answer is it seems that the ultimate goal of the 'leftist woke culture' is to dismantle capitalism piece by piece and replace it with something else. That can't be accomplished with someone like Trump in office, you'd need a doddering semi-senile fool like crooked Joe Biden in there as the figurehead while they do their dirty work behind the scenes...
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2021 2:04:32 GMT
They don't seem to realise Biden is senile, even though he obviously is? Hardliners on the left and right both think he's ridiculous, why are they so keen to paint him in a competent light? Hardliners everywhere (left or right) never get anything sorted unless more people suffer than need be. Hardliners don't want to talk things out with their "opposition". They want it their way, or else. The thing about Biden is that he at least stated (we'll see if that works out) that he would work as hard for those that didn't vote for him, as for those that did. Contrast that with the previous prez who took every opportunity to divide up the American people as he could. Who alienated America's allies, who are now breathing a sigh of relief now that America is back in the global opposition against autocratic rule countries. And lately Biden has given it to Putin that America is no longer going to tolerate Russia's continued cyber-attacks on key American industrial targets, and interference in American elections. In other words, the current president is not going to be Putin's bitch, right from the start.
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2021 2:27:36 GMT
The simple answer is it seems that the ultimate goal of the 'leftist woke culture' is to dismantle capitalism piece by piece and replace it with something else. That can't be accomplished with someone like Trump in office, you'd need a doddering semi-senile fool like crooked Joe Biden in there as the figurehead while they do their dirty work behind the scenes... What "seems to be" is not necessarily so. If you don't accept that the 1% represents the PTB who actually rule the United States, then who do you think would ever let "woke culture" dismantle their power and wealth ? "woke culture" comes from similar terms from way back over a century ago. It's origins come from efforts to address social and racial justice. Probably today it's taken too far with all sorts of agenda's jumping on the bandwagon, but if you honestly think that capitalism will ever be dismantled by over-reactive racial rioting and fruitcakes parading in "heroes" parades, then all you gotta do is remember the 1% and the next 9% and ask yourself if they would ever give up their wealth for anything at all. And most importantly, their control. As I've tried to explain so many times, the PTB/1% may well be overtly Right in public, but really they are neither. And keeping on about Biden and Trump is a waste of time because the strings are being pulled from higher up. That's why for the last 50 years it didn't matter who was president or what party was "in", rampant capitalism has always had its way, and the only way America will fall is not because of any "woke" creed or people. It will be because the total debt will reach a critical level, the wealth disparity also, and The People will have nothing left to lose. At that point chaos reigns and when the dust has settled, American can look forward to being just another country in the world, and China will be calling the shots from then on. Like Rome, your super-rich will have gutted the country financially, and rendered The People without anything to look forward to. Why ? American industry has been increasingly supported by foreign labour in foreign countries for the last 50 years. Your traitors have let you down. Oh, and another thing too. Your ex-prez compromised American security by taking money and/or loans from Russia. That's why he thought more of Putin than he did his own security advisors. Not only Trump either. It's the way Russia has always worked. Target top US officials and give them something they want, then work away quietly undermining American security. McConnell for instance. America is wide open to such attacks. The FBI started picking up Russian intel messages re Operation Jade Helm more than a year before Jade Helm got under way, and about nine months before the general public knew about it.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 18, 2021 10:28:27 GMT
The simple answer is it seems that the ultimate goal of the 'leftist woke culture' is to dismantle capitalism piece by piece and replace it with something else. That can't be accomplished with someone like Trump in office, you'd need a doddering semi-senile fool like crooked Joe Biden in there as the figurehead while they do their dirty work behind the scenes... What "seems to be" is not necessarily so. That's why for the last 50 years it didn't matter who was president or what party was "in", rampant capitalism has always had its way, and the only way America will fall is not because of any "woke" creed or people. I guess when you only get your info from news sources and don't actually see and hear for yourself what's actually going on in the streets you might think the way you do... Reminds me of a few times in the past when I was on the actual scene as an event unfolded, and then later on I'd read articles in the newspaper about what transpired...and they got the story completely WRONG. What's even funnier is people would talk about what happened, parroting the completely wrong info that they'd read in the newspaper story, and then when I attempted to tell them what really happened from someone who was an actual witness they still stuck to what they 'read' in the paper....
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 18, 2021 12:17:02 GMT
Foreigners I know think America is messed up because we have so much, but focus on the wrong things that do nothing for society. What's more important, clean water and food or enacting a new national holiday? Where's your 'woke' focus? Kids getting education (i.e. actually being in school and learning compared to being out at 4 am stealing cars and murdering 84 r old white ladies by stabbing them 58 times.... at only 14 years old) or enacting new laws to raise the age and allow criminal activity to go on? Americans priorities are messed up.
Whether the PTB wants it or not, the citizens have to DO something! But, when they do they are hunted down (Jan. 6th Rally). Why isn't the government asking themselves WHY the rally went wrong? Why were the peeps P.O'd? Maybe they should examine inwardly what they did wrong to provoke such an incident. And the reason they are plastering whites peeps faces on the telly, and not doing it to other races in BLM, is to show the next wanna-be's that they will suffer the same humiliation. The worst thing you can do to an American is take away their livelihood (job to make $).
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Post by lardy on Jun 18, 2021 12:35:37 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong because I don't follow american politics often but the first thing I thought when biden won was "That's a sneaky way to get a female president!" (the vice-president) because I feel as if Biden is a very frail man and won't last the full term, i wish him good health though.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 18, 2021 13:49:45 GMT
.... The thing about Biden is that he at least stated (we'll see if that works out) that he would work as hard for those that didn't vote for him, as for those that did. Contrast that with the previous prez who took every opportunity to divide up the American people as he could. Who alienated America's allies, who are now breathing a sigh of relief now that America is back in the global opposition against autocratic rule countries. And lately Biden has given it to Putin that America is no longer going to tolerate Russia's continued cyber-attacks on key American industrial targets, and interference in American elections. In other words, the current president is not going to be Putin's bitch, right from the start.
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2021 14:22:19 GMT
They don't seem to realise Biden is senile, even though he obviously is? Hardliners on the left and right both think he's ridiculous, why are they so keen to paint him in a competent light? Hardliners everywhere (left or right) never get anything sorted unless more people suffer than need be. Hardliners don't want to talk things out with their "opposition". They want it their way, or else. The thing about Biden is that he at least stated (we'll see if that works out) that he would work as hard for those that didn't vote for him, as for those that did. Contrast that with the previous prez who took every opportunity to divide up the American people as he could. Who alienated America's allies, who are now breathing a sigh of relief now that America is back in the global opposition against autocratic rule countries. And lately Biden has given it to Putin that America is no longer going to tolerate Russia's continued cyber-attacks on key American industrial targets, and interference in American elections. In other words, the current president is not going to be Putin's bitch, right from the start. (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) That stumbling, bumbling fool will be like putty in Putin's hands....and President Trump didn't divide Americans. If our "friends and allies" don't like paying their fair share of the NATO bill, who's fault is that ? Should America foot the entire bill ?
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2021 14:27:59 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong because I don't follow american politics often but the first thing I thought when biden won was "That's a sneaky way to get a female president!" (the vice-president) because I feel as if Biden is a very frail man and won't last the full term, i wish him good health though. I hope someone shoves him down a flight of stairs.....a useless, corrupt politician
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2021 14:30:27 GMT
Foreigners I know think America is messed up because we have so much, but focus on the wrong things that do nothing for society. What's more important, clean water and food or enacting a new national holiday? Where's your 'woke' focus? Kids getting education (i.e. actually being in school and learning compared to being out at 4 am stealing cars and murdering 84 r old white ladies by stabbing them 58 times.... at only 14 years old) or enacting new laws to raise the age and allow criminal activity to go on? Americans priorities are messed up. Whether the PTB wants it or not, the citizens have to DO something! But, when they do they are hunted down (Jan. 6th Rally). Why isn't the government asking themselves WHY the rally went wrong? Why were the peeps P.O'd? Maybe they should examine inwardly what they did wrong to provoke such an incident. And the reason they are plastering whites peeps faces on the telly, and not doing it to other races in BLM, is to show the next wanna-be's that they will suffer the same humiliation. The worst thing you can do to an American is take away their livelihood (job to make $). BRAVO Brothersteve !
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 18, 2021 15:08:17 GMT
What "seems to be" is not necessarily so. That's why for the last 50 years it didn't matter who was president or what party was "in", rampant capitalism has always had its way, and the only way America will fall is not because of any "woke" creed or people. I guess when you only get your info from news sources and don't actually see and hear for yourself what's actually going on in the streets you might think the way you do... Reminds me of a few times in the past when I was on the actual scene as an event unfolded, and then later on I'd read articles in the newspaper about what transpired...and they got the story completely WRONG. What's even funnier is people would talk about what happened, parroting the completely wrong info that they'd read in the newspaper story, and then when I attempted to tell them what really happened from someone who was an actual witness they still stuck to what they 'read' in the paper.... LOL I've experienced the same thing.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 18, 2021 19:00:02 GMT
The simple answer is it seems that the ultimate goal of the 'leftist woke culture' is to dismantle capitalism piece by piece and replace it with something else. That can't be accomplished with someone like Trump in office, you'd need a doddering semi-senile fool like crooked Joe Biden in there as the figurehead while they do their dirty work behind the scenes... That's got nothing to do with what I said; in fact I explicitly said that people on the left don't like him. What the hell is wrong with you?
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2021 20:42:35 GMT
What "seems to be" is not necessarily so. That's why for the last 50 years it didn't matter who was president or what party was "in", rampant capitalism has always had its way, and the only way America will fall is not because of any "woke" creed or people. I guess when you only get your info from news sources and don't actually see and hear for yourself what's actually going on in the streets you might think the way you do... Reminds me of a few times in the past when I was on the actual scene as an event unfolded, and then later on I'd read articles in the newspaper about what transpired...and they got the story completely WRONG. What's even funnier is people would talk about what happened, parroting the completely wrong info that they'd read in the newspaper story, and then when I attempted to tell them what really happened from someone who was an actual witness they still stuck to what they 'read' in the paper.... I don't "only" get my info from news sources as I've often said. And I'm not arguing with you about "what's happening in the streets" because at street level, you are there and I am not. At street level, the old "7000 miles away" as an argument is right, no question. And your following sentences do not address what I've ben saying. You want to stick to what's happening in your country (and others) at the street level, well sorry Mags, but everything you see wrong comes from the top, and that's what I've telling you for years.
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2021 20:46:27 GMT
.... The thing about Biden is that he at least stated (we'll see if that works out) that he would work as hard for those that didn't vote for him, as for those that did. Contrast that with the previous prez who took every opportunity to divide up the American people as he could. Who alienated America's allies, who are now breathing a sigh of relief now that America is back in the global opposition against autocratic rule countries. And lately Biden has given it to Putin that America is no longer going to tolerate Russia's continued cyber-attacks on key American industrial targets, and interference in American elections. In other words, the current president is not going to be Putin's bitch, right from the start. That's not an answer mikey. You're spending a lot of time lately just laughing. It's a bit like ad hominem when you run out of informed arguments. There's no doubt that Trump is/was Putin's bum boy.
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