Racial equity is another kind of racism

[mr potatohead]

Apr 27, 2021 0:25:04 GMT macky said:

Apr 26, 2021 15:06:44 GMT mr potatohead said:

CO2 content in the atmosphere is extremely tiny and the nearly insignificant rise (0.02% to 0.04%) we've had since the industrial revolution in early 1900, has only made the planet greener.
The Earth is the survivor here - nature always wins, no matter what we do. Climate change is the last thing we need to be concerned about. The people who are crying about "carbon footprint" are the worst offenders of what they claim is ruining the Earth. Hypocrites. Frauds. Criminals. These are the people trying to tell us how to live. Fuck them.

I could not find the 18 "positive" changes, macky. National Geographic did let me see the first listing of 15 items, which is withdrawing the US from the Paris Climate Accords, which is one more great thing that Trump did since it's part of the globalist agenda, but NG required sign up to see the other 14. Besides, I'm not interested in their Greta Thunberg nonsense anyway.

I'm not interested in people like Greta Thunderberg or whatever her name is.  Nor am I interested in accusations of "Hypocrites. Frauds. or Criminals. 

The CO2 is not the only story, and at any rate the signs here do not need any critical analysis or quoting of figures.  It's general pollution, and its global effects.  Finding micro-plastic bits in Antarctica and looking at before-and-after photos of receding NZ glaciers are warning enough for me.  

The Geographic may have pulled a few items since last I reported them. It's been several months.  I think one of the items from memory was about the Trump admin rolling back improved safety measures for workers on oil rigs that the previous admin had put in place.
Whether that had anything to do with climate change, or oil pollution, or simply worker safety, I don't know. 

As an aside, the Globalist agenda has been in place since Day Dot.  Generations of globalists have promoted and followed World governance aspirations for a very long time.  It's historical.  What HAS happened in the last 30 years is instant global communication on a huge scale via the Net, and the resultant financial markets such as Forex etc.   The Money Men have extended and tightened their controls wherever possible, and the real impetus for the Iraq invasion by America was the preservation of the American dollar, more than anything else, Iraq having nothing to do with 9-11 etc.   But a century or more ago, the Money Men were reaching out into world influence and much of the wars ever since have had a huge backing by said MM's, sometimes backing both sides.  

Regarding climate change, if the thousands of aircraft flying around every day in an atmosphere that's only breathable up to....what ?....7-8 miles at the most?.....around a globe that's nearly 8000 miles in diameter isn't polluting the atmosphere in some way,  then let's down all flights and see if there's any difference.  And put all the millions of cars back in the garage for a year at the same time.  Stop all coal burning around the world.  You know.....Globalist. 
Then measure the CO2 and related levels and see if darling Greta has any credence.   NASA has been warning about things for a while, and their research goes back to the beginning of the Industrial Age, not just 30 years.  

I must say how wonderful the air was to breathe in, out in the back yard when Level 4 Lockdown was in place last year.  Bugger-all cars. 

 

I agree, pollution is something to discuss for solution. I'd suggest private, benevolent interests so that the gov is not needed nor has any input whatsoever.

However, you mentioned climate change which is a completely different discussion. No worries about humans changing the climate of Earth.
If we choose to kill ourselves with pollution, the Earth will just go on without us.

[macky]

Yes you're right mikey.

Although the private interests would certainly have to be benevolent.  Much of "private " interests have not shown any particularly benevolent attitudes, and some of their actions have proven to have not only been anti-social, but criminal.  The number of convictions stand as a long list of evidence, not only pharma companies. 

Govt also is no option right now.  The "private" interests own it, and/or are heavily influential by all the lobbying and "donations" to govt,  or personal interests inside govt.

The place is run by Big Money at the last,  and philanthropists of large riches do not number in the majority.  It's like even at the "common" level where people are hit in the pocket for parking on yellow lines here,  unless the large corporations can see that their days of pollution with huge profits are coming to an end via a govt that finally actually governs,  nothing much will change. 

The People, along with those that have been exposed as the major problem, will find that they cannot breathe, drink or eat paper money, or computer figures than merely say they have some.  

[mr potatohead]

I didn't state that very well. I was thinking of benevolent private interests as being the people in a local area or community. Not the criminals in high places.

[pierinifitness]

Ready for another racial nonsense word?

Cultural appropriation.

It's something white folks do, like Justin Bieber.

You white men who know how to dance and play basketball, you better keep a low profile. You may get accused of cultural appropriation!

www.insider.com/justin-bieber-cultural-appropriation-dreadlocks-again-2021-4?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar

[brothersteve]

"Now you're making ME depressed "

Sorry Macky. Not trying to depress, just trying to figure out the pieces we see (as can't see those hidden) and what they will be made into.

Historical truth: Those with power never willingly give it up - it must be fought for and I don't mean rallies, riots, and looting.

Even though I am classified as white, I am not of the ancestral lineage connected to those with the $. I am a worker bee since age 11 when I began my illustrious career peeling potatoes and washing dishes at the family restaurant. I better make $ to survive and pay my taxes and obey the laws. I don't get any special privileges despite what some activists may say. Police have pulled me (GASP!) over for speeding, tail light out, and past due vehicle inspection sticker. I complied with their requests WITHOUT resistance or ATTITUDE and have had no issues.

I am concerned for the next generation and do want things to be fair, equal and equitable for all, but feel that the 'activist' culture rearing up is only making things worse.

[mr potatohead]

Equity and equality - not the same.

If you want to be treated as equally as normal people, here are some tips:

[macky]

Apr 27, 2021 13:12:43 GMT brothersteve said:

"Now you're making ME depressed "

Sorry Macky. Not trying to depress, just trying to figure out the pieces we see (as can't see those hidden) and what they will be made into.

Historical truth: Those with power never willingly give it up - it must be fought for and I don't mean rallies, riots, and looting.

Even though I am classified as white, I am not of the ancestral lineage connected to those with the $. I am a worker bee since age 11 when I began my illustrious career peeling potatoes and washing dishes at the family restaurant. I better make $ to survive and pay my taxes and obey the laws. I don't get any special privileges despite what some activists may say. Police have pulled me (GASP!) over for speeding, tail light out, and past due vehicle inspection sticker. I complied with their requests WITHOUT resistance or ATTITUDE and have had no issues.

I am concerned for the next generation and do want things to be fair, equal and equitable for all, but feel that the 'activist' culture rearing up is only making things worse.

It's all right, M8.  You're talking sense as always.  Thanks for the background.  Always interesting to read other people's experiences.   Same here re police.  

[Deuce Gunner]

A religious person who says the end is near is labeled a fanatic. A non religious person who says the end is near is labeled an environmentalist.

[macky]

The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action.      

You know....."Mr Speaker, today I would like the House to discuss and consider a new bulk payment for those who have lost their jobs in the last 6 months through outsourcing to China.  The payment will help them to keep their houses from mortgagee sale while they search for another job."

Speaker :  The Member knows very well that he is promoting a "Socialist" and "Leftist" policy.  Please sit DOWN, Mr Member.  This is "Capitalist Democracy", not a "Nursery" for "Lazy People".

Labels.       

[mr potatohead]

Apr 27, 2021 21:51:26 GMT macky said:

The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action.      

You know....."Mr Speaker, today I would like the House to discuss and consider a new bulk payment for those who have lost their jobs in the last 6 months through outsourcing to China.  The payment will help them to keep their houses from mortgagee sale while they search for another job."

Speaker :  The Member knows very well that he is promoting a "Socialist" and "Leftist" policy.  Please sit DOWN, Mr Member.  This is "Capitalist Democracy", not a "Nursery" for "Lazy People".

Labels.       

"The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action. ...."

Yeah, I see what you mean, m8.
I kinda liked your "Trumpians" creation. That's a good one.

[macky]

Apr 28, 2021 3:38:40 GMT mr potatohead said:

Apr 27, 2021 21:51:26 GMT macky said:

The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action.      

You know....."Mr Speaker, today I would like the House to discuss and consider a new bulk payment for those who have lost their jobs in the last 6 months through outsourcing to China.  The payment will help them to keep their houses from mortgagee sale while they search for another job."

Speaker :  The Member knows very well that he is promoting a "Socialist" and "Leftist" policy.  Please sit DOWN, Mr Member.  This is "Capitalist Democracy", not a "Nursery" for "Lazy People".

Labels.       

"The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action. ...."

Yeah, I see what you mean, m8.
I kinda liked your "Trumpians" creation. That's a good one.

Yes I thought it was appropriate.  It was never meant to be insulting, and distinguished between pure Republicans and die-hard Trump supporters.  Sometimes labels can serve to clarify who's who, and what they actually are, without it being meant as a slur on them.  

I mean,  I've read "Trump's Chumps" as a label on one or two sites.  I'm not on with that at all.   

[mr potatohead]

Apr 27, 2021 21:51:26 GMT macky said:

The over-emphasis on labels has always stifled productive discussion, debate and action.      

You know....."Mr Speaker, today I would like the House to discuss and consider a new bulk payment for those who have lost their jobs in the last 6 months through outsourcing to China.  The payment will help them to keep their houses from mortgagee sale while they search for another job."

Speaker :  The Member knows very well that he is promoting a "Socialist" and "Leftist" policy.  Please sit DOWN, Mr Member.  This is "Capitalist Democracy", not a "Nursery" for "Lazy People".

Labels.       

It was never meant to be insulting, ...... Sometimes labels can serve to clarify who's who, and what they actually are, without it being meant as a slur on them.

I see. So like, in your "logic" sandwich, "Socialist" clarifies who Mr Member actually is without it being a slur on him, since he wants to appropriate and administer someone else's property without the right to do so and without their consent.

Socialism and Equality
When an individual's perquisites and possessions are acquired though labor, talent, dedication, and investment, they constitute his property, the fruit of his life and liberty. When they are taken from him by legislative fiat, crippling taxes, and quixotic or utopian social projects, a breach of natural and customary law has occurred, and the principle of equality has been violated by jurisprudential means.

Such are the wages of "social justice," whether in the practice of our falsely named "Human Rights Tribunals," where legitimate earners and property-owners are exorbitantly penalized in favor of aggrieved claimants and welfare abusers; the canard of the rich paying their "fair share," as if the wealthy were not already overburdened by prohibitive tax loads and as if high corporate taxes were not already counter-productive; and the economic stripping of risk-taking entrepreneurs to subsidize those who are constitutionally averse to risk and rely on the state to provide for them. In effect, we are witnessing a reversal of moral values, which, writes Anthony J. DeBlasi, is "a major tactic of the left to deconstruct America and groom it for socialist-communist domination and takeover, which seems outrageously stupid, given the historic and ongoing failure of collectivism to make life good for anyone."

EDIT: I'm curious about the construction of your "logic" sandwich. Can it actually be considered Chiastic since the meat between the buns mentions labels, but is not really about "labels" so the thoughts are not parallel?

[macky]

Apr 28, 2021 12:24:42 GMT mr potatohead said:

Apr 27, 2021 21:51:26 GMT macky said:

It was never meant to be insulting, ...... Sometimes labels can serve to clarify who's who, and what they actually are, without it being meant as a slur on them.

I see. So like, in your "logic" sandwich, "Socialist" clarifies who Mr Member actually is without it being a slur on him, since he wants to appropriate and administer someone else's property without the right to do so and without their consent.

Socialism and Equality
When an individual's perquisites and possessions are acquired though labor, talent, dedication, and investment, they constitute his property, the fruit of his life and liberty. When they are taken from him by legislative fiat, crippling taxes, and quixotic or utopian social projects, a breach of natural and customary law has occurred, and the principle of equality has been violated by jurisprudential means.

Such are the wages of "social justice," whether in the practice of our falsely named "Human Rights Tribunals," where legitimate earners and property-owners are exorbitantly penalized in favor of aggrieved claimants and welfare abusers; the canard of the rich paying their "fair share," as if the wealthy were not already overburdened by prohibitive tax loads and as if high corporate taxes were not already counter-productive; and the economic stripping of risk-taking entrepreneurs to subsidize those who are constitutionally averse to risk and rely on the state to provide for them. In effect, we are witnessing a reversal of moral values, which, writes Anthony J. DeBlasi, is "a major tactic of the left to deconstruct America and groom it for socialist-communist domination and takeover, which seems outrageously stupid, given the historic and ongoing failure of collectivism to make life good for anyone."

The Socialism and Equality couple of paragraphs is simply bullshit.  e.g. if the "wealthy were overburdened by prohibitive tax loads" they wouldn't be wealthy, by the first part of this sentence.  The rest is assertions based of half-truths and outright errors.

" "a major tactic of the left to deconstruct America and groom it for socialist-communist domination and takeover, which seems outrageously stupid, given the historic and ongoing failure of collectivism to make life good for anyone."   Shit-stirring nonsense. That's yet another unfounded conspiracy theory.  What about the ongoing failure of rampant Capitalism to make life good for (cross out 'anyone' and put in) everyone. 
Is 10% owning 69% of the nation's wealth so good ?   For everyone, I mean ?

"I see. So like, in your "logic" sandwich, "Socialist" clarifies who Mr Member actually is without it being a slur on him, since he wants to appropriate and administer someone else's property without the right to do so and without their consent."

In this case, the "Socialist" label is being used without clarification as a dismissal of a Member's suggestion to bulk-fund workers who have lost their jobs "without their consent". 
The govt is morally bound to compensate them.  The govt allowed companies to outsource company jobs to other countries, therefore they should pay compensation to those workers until they find another job with comparable wages that they had. 

We talk about hard working people that went without luxuries and built a life for their families, and that is the bulk of everyone (including myself) that have been made redundant on the back of enhanced profits by boards of directors who take in huge bonuses even apart from their "normal" salaries.  

When years of hard work and career-building are compromised and sometimes outrightly destroyed on the back of govt-permitted outsourcing to other countries then that govt has a moral and financial duty to support those suddenly out of work simply because of some CEO's board-backed decision to shift the manufacturing division of the company to China.  

If that is some sort of socialism, then so be it.  I get sick of the winner/loser mentality of those that believe that capitalism as it has become today, is good for our countries.  

When such traitors give comfort to what is becoming an enemy nation, then what they are doing is Making China Greater, not America.   And that has been going on well before Biden, AND under Republican admins as well as Dem. 

That's yet another reason why I say that partisan arguments and divisions are counter-productive to a unified country, a PTB-encouraged diversion to keep The People off their backs. 

Among those arguments, tossing around labels serve to stifle constructive unity and the will to solve problems that are attacking the Family Unit on all fronts.  Some of the solutions will be Capitalist (but with govt regulation) and Socialist (but with enough leeway for people to get rich, but not super-rich.)   

[brothersteve]

From Biden's chat last night, and the bills he signed in the last 100 days, America appears to be on a path to socialism. Along with the new taxation rules he craves, bring in the 'equality/equity' idea (mandatory putting in certain races at C-Suite level positions of corporations), and it seems privately owned businesses regulated by the government will be the socialist democracy future Biden envisions.

We are on our way. What will those who oppose it due to stop it and can they? The yin and yang of the world is ever existent. The push is to make it all solid asap. My family does not make the $400k, so I'm the little guy in this big picture. In about 4 years will all be torn down by the next POTUS? Then what?

[Deuce Gunner]

Gee, who saw all this coming?