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Post by billfish on Apr 24, 2021 19:55:30 GMT
You must have hurt someone's feelings......many of these these kids today are all about their "feelings" My last job was as a cemetery foreman and I had it up to here with that bullshit
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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 24, 2021 20:01:29 GMT
..... That's why whenever I hear the bogus term "white privilege" I tell people they need to just STFU... B ...... b .... b .... but, some people are enjoying the media illusions, mags, m8. Shouldn't we just let them alone to enjoy their trance?
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Post by brothersteve on Apr 24, 2021 20:03:10 GMT
Mags,
I mean ANY manual labor. Auto repair shops up here have signs of $110/hour labor rate. The 'getting hands dirty' is the gripe.
Everyone wants to dress like a rap star with all the bling. And, if they work a regular day job 40-60 hours a week like that then can't party all night.
Why do Asians and Pakistani and Indians come her and open their own businesses and buy homes in nice neighborhoods. They don't bother anybody, they mow their lawns and try to fit in. They are probably too tired from working 10 or more hours/day 6 to 7 days a week in their convenience stores/gas stations/small grocery shops. The same shops that get victimized by the non-working staying up all night.
I have also seen a number of businesses up here as well that will train people with NO experience. I'm getting a yard fence replaced and they can't do the work until November because they don't have the employees. Hard work, long days, decent $ and nobody stays.
If you want to REALLY work in America and put the effort in....it's still here, but you can't lead a playboy lifestyle and be 'zooted' on drugs. I don't care what anybody does, but this legal pot thing in NY is going to further make many more of those lazy folks lazier.....or as they call it 'victimized by the system'.
I've seen managers ask employees to do things and some instantly pushback with "That's not in my job description!" and "Will I get a raise for doing that?" - No, you get to keep your job like the rest of us. I worked a salary job 60 hrs/wk for a year and felt lucky to have the job. I called myself 'The Mechanic' because I did my job and had to fix all the other messes. My boss knew but didn't care until I resigned after I got the customary 'raise'. I got another job for 20% more $, THEN wanted to talk.
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Post by billfish on Apr 24, 2021 20:10:57 GMT
I remember when you couldn't get into the steamfitters unless you knew someone and many had family in the trade I was just a poor 'un-privileged' white kid and didn't know anyone, so after a year of full-time trade school while additionally working after school and weekends, 7 days a week for a tree service, I secured a "temporary" job working as a helper for a large union mechanical contractor out of Queens NY, and eventually after proving my worth settling for a 'B' union book for less money doing service. Can you imagine that a hard working and dependable kid like myself couldn't get in the 'A' side, yet if I were a 'minority' I could get in with zero credentials, not even prior trade school, nothing other than the color of my non-white skin got me in ? That's why whenever I hear the bogus term "white privilege" I tell people they need to just STFU... AMEN !White Privilege means you had to work for what you have Black Privilege means you got it for nothing I remember some young black guy telling me how "hard" it is for black people to get ahead I told him "bullshit".....my parents grew up in Hell's Kitchen in "cold water flats"....you worked or you starved NO food stamps, NO section 8 housing, NO WIC, NO, projects, NO free medical care....NO NOTHING ! When my grandparents arrived at Ellis Island from Ireland in the 1800s they were so poor that they could not afford train fare to the PA coal mines for everyone, so the men walked and the women and children took the train And that's probably similar to what many people coming to this country went through White Privilege my ass !
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Post by brothersteve on Apr 24, 2021 20:11:31 GMT
Right now, there are about 17 kids in my neighborhood aged 14 - 21 and not one mows their lawn or shovels the snow. None of them have jobs (with COVID I get it - but did not have them before either). They will be useless in the long run. I don't live in a great or bad neighborhood either; cops/security, nurses, teachers, contractors, retail managers, retires.
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Post by Magnus on Apr 24, 2021 20:13:28 GMT
I'm born and raised from the southern CT area. Have not been to Astoria since the early- mid 70's. We lived in New Haven, Bridgeport, and Hamden (mostly) CT areas and my dad would like to go to restaurants in Astoria. We'd go with cousins families in several cars. Those days it was a rite of passage. At times things got heated and did involve physical and verbal altercations. We were defined by our differences and looks. In the end everyone just grew up and went on with their lives. I worked with a Greek guy in the early 70s as roofers...we had a good time after work stopping into the neighborhood Greek bars Greeks are just good people in general, not to mention how great they are when it comes to food. I remember when I was a young kid and a Greek family moved onto the block a few doors down from us. One of the first things they did was rip up the front lawn and plant a really nice vegetable and herb garden. They made sure to let us know that as neighbors we could just take whatever we wanted. I couldn't pronounce their last name but boy did I like them...
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Post by billfish on Apr 24, 2021 20:20:21 GMT
. Why do Asians and Pakistani and Indians come her and open their own businesses and buy homes in nice neighborhoods. They don't bother anybody, they mow their lawns and try to fit in. They are probably too tired from working 10 or more hours/day 6 to 7 days a week in their convenience stores/gas stations/small grocery shops. The same shops that get victimized by the non-working staying up all night. And these people are getting attacked by the black parasite thugs who won't work nor educate themselves to get ahead NYC's science and technical high schools were criticized by the scum because there wasn't enough blacks admitted to them They couldn't meet the academic requirements and want the standards lowered for them Meanwhile, they are bitching that there are too many Asian and white students ! My next door neighbors/friends in NYC were Indian and nice people, their kids were great kids and both studied hard and didn't hang out and party The son is now a physician's assistant and the daughter is a nurse No one gave these people anything.....they worked hard to put their kids through school
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Post by billfish on Apr 24, 2021 20:22:47 GMT
I worked with a Greek guy in the early 70s as roofers...we had a good time after work stopping into the neighborhood Greek bars Greeks are just good people in general, not to mention how great they are when it comes to food. I remember when I was a young kid and a Greek family moved onto the block a few doors down from us. One of the first things they did was rip up the front lawn and plant a really nice vegetable and herb garden. They made sure to let us know that as neighbors we could just take whatever we wanted. I couldn't pronounce their last name but boy did I like them... My Greek friend who I worked with got us totally legless on Ouzo one night while his wife cooked up a great meal They were both such good people....we laughed so much and had a great time !
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Post by brothersteve on Apr 24, 2021 20:25:45 GMT
"Greeks are just good people in general...".....most are good folk, some can't wait to use you, especially if you are Greek.
Those that came here like my dad worked crazy, like 90 hours a week and did as much on their own so didn't have to pay others. After working all day in the summer they would meet at West Haven beach around 6pm and fish on the eddy to stock up their homes for winter. We had fun working, made it that way. But, some of their kids who worked from young did things smarter and enjoyed more while others (small %) got into drugs and trouble.
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Post by macky on Apr 24, 2021 22:10:25 GMT
...Paying out on the basis of race is not equality, it's racism. At any rate, that's only a diversion to keep people arguing while the Very Few take their next billion and off-shore it somewhere around the Globe, effectively removing that money from the American economy. Less money, less jobs, more poverty. And more national, and total, US debt. Sorry Macky but I don't agree with that, the truth of the matter is there's no excuse for poverty, and that's because regardless of anyones 'race' there are PLENTY of good and reasonably high paying jobs out there in the U.S. that go unfilled because people are simply unwilling to work, and that's a fact. I've been a member of a skilled trade union since February '86, and each year I witness that there are less and less people willing to go the trade route, and it isn't just my particular trade. Every skilled trade that I know of is suffering with a shortage of manpower, and employers don't give a flying cahoot what 'color' anyone is, just as long as they can do the job. Anyone living here that says otherwise either has an agenda to fulfill or is making excuses to cover up pure laziness, that's simply all there is to it... That's part of the breakdown of our societies. It's a downward spiral. The parents are not there to bring up their kids properly because they are both having to work, one income often paid entirely for the rent, because they haven't a chance to save up any more for a house of their own. So the kids are often by themselves after school and subject to negative influences on the Net, and One-in-the-barrel arseholes constructing their attitudes in the absence of their parents. There are many looking for trades here but all the corporates want are facet workers, which means that there are hardly any master builders left, only admittedly skilled hammer-hands. Our telecom jobs have been deskilled starting in the early 90's and now three different people from different firms turn up to do the job that one person used to do. Many of the jobs offered are not viable for the family's economy. I put in for many jobs that either paid f-all, or were "self-business" enterprises that required an "entry" fee of $180,000 to buy a truck and a franchise, then spend two hours every evening doing the paperwork that would have been done by the office back at the parent company. Once before the Traitors got into power and made this country like America, I would have simply applied for a truck-driver's job. On top of that we have continuing immigrants who are willing to work for less pay than its worth for an incumbent citizen (because of mortgage payments etc) and simply take all the jobs, resulting in disenfranchised root citizenry, and the overall changing of our societies into something we never grew up to expect, but we paid for our taxes all our lives. At the end of the day, all the "isms' of political attitudes are just that. And all of them end up with a small group at the top holding the bulk of the wealth while the standards of living of the Middle Class diminish and all but disappear. Once your Middle Class has gone, it's a two-tier society that has a few on the top tier, and the rest down below. That's what's happening here, and that's what happening over in your country, no matter how many people or jobs whatever. Your wealth-disparity figures and the national and total debt stand as proof that America has been living on borrowed time for decades, and the turkeys are coming home to roost, no matter how many jobs are in the offing if something doesn't change soon. The blame game on younger or lower-class people may be true in essence on that level, but everything in society ultimately comes from the top, and your top (10%) holds over two-thirds of the national wealth. And at the last, what is the use of working hard to build security for your family and a career, when at any time your job may be taken from you and given to China or India ? And that's not menial work necessarily. Note experience and qualified engineers from Boeing as an example.
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Post by Magnus on Apr 24, 2021 23:54:31 GMT
Sorry Macky but I don't agree with that, the truth of the matter is there's no excuse for poverty, and that's because regardless of anyones 'race' there are PLENTY of good and reasonably high paying jobs out there in the U.S. that go unfilled because people are simply unwilling to work, and that's a fact. I've been a member of a skilled trade union since February '86, and each year I witness that there are less and less people willing to go the trade route, and it isn't just my particular trade. Every skilled trade that I know of is suffering with a shortage of manpower, and employers don't give a flying cahoot what 'color' anyone is, just as long as they can do the job. Anyone living here that says otherwise either has an agenda to fulfill or is making excuses to cover up pure laziness, that's simply all there is to it... That's part of the breakdown of our societies. It's a downward spiral. The parents are not there to bring up their kids properly because they are both having to work, one income often paid entirely for the rent, because they haven't a chance to save up any more for a house of their own. So the kids are often by themselves after school and subject to negative influences on the Net, and One-in-the-barrel arseholes constructing their attitudes in the absence of their parents. There are many looking for trades here but all the corporates want are facet workers, which means that there are hardly any master builders left, only admittedly skilled hammer-hands. Our telecom jobs have been deskilled starting in the early 90's and now three different people from different firms turn up to do the job that one person used to do. That's what's happening here, and that's what happening over in your country,
And at the last, what is the use of working hard to build security for your family and a career, when at any time your job may be taken from you and given to China or India ? And that's not menial work necessarily. Note experience and qualified engineers from Boeing as an example. That may be how it is over there in NZ Macky, but that overall doom & gloom downward spiral certainly isn't true for this country, I promise you. The opportunity to rise up above the fray is still alive and well here, but you do have to set aside the excuses & blame, and you do have to leave your comfort zone while getting up and out of bed in the morning each and every day as you take on the world... *I'm being a bit over dramatic, it really isn't that difficult if you've got any common sense and you're also not lazy. And your last comment is why I highly recommend a very marketable skilled trade to rise up out of the gutter and join the 'middle class' via a 'white collar' OR 'blue collar' trade rather than a job that can just be easily outsourced like you mention. ***Blue collar trade meaning any of the traditionally thought of skilled trade such as a plumber, electrician, HVAC, etc. and white collar trade meaning any occupation such as pharmacist, accountant, nurse, etc.
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Post by Magnus on Apr 25, 2021 0:02:57 GMT
Sorry Macky but I don't agree with that, the truth of the matter is there's no excuse for poverty, and that's because regardless of anyones 'race' there are PLENTY of good and reasonably high paying jobs out there in the U.S. that go unfilled because people are simply unwilling to work, and that's a fact. I've been a member of a skilled trade union since February '86, and each year I witness that there are less and less people willing to go the trade route, and it isn't just my particular trade. Every skilled trade that I know of is suffering with a shortage of manpower, and employers don't give a flying cahoot what 'color' anyone is, just as long as they can do the job. Anyone living here that says otherwise either has an agenda to fulfill or is making excuses to cover up pure laziness, that's simply all there is to it... On top of that we have continuing immigrants who are willing to work for less pay than its worth for an incumbent citizen (because of mortgage payments etc) and simply take all the jobs, resulting in disenfranchised root citizenry, and the overall changing of our societies into something we never grew up to expect, but we paid for our taxes all our lives. Last I heard Trump may be available for consultation, maybe the people of New Zealand should give him a call ?... MNZGA = Make New Zealand Great Again !
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Post by pierinifitness on Apr 25, 2021 0:32:14 GMT
Hard work knows no color when doling out economic rewards and success.
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Post by macky on Apr 25, 2021 7:53:54 GMT
On top of that we have continuing immigrants who are willing to work for less pay than its worth for an incumbent citizen (because of mortgage payments etc) and simply take all the jobs, resulting in disenfranchised root citizenry, and the overall changing of our societies into something we never grew up to expect, but we paid for our taxes all our lives. Last I heard Trump may be available for consultation, maybe the people of New Zealand should give him a call ?... What for Mags ? Over here Trump is a joke. Jan 6 finished any last vestiges of international regard Trump may have had. May. And you are debating on the middle level M8. The fundamental problem that has been warned about since at least 2006 is that Rome/America is having its economy siphoned off by the super-rich and not returned in any meaningful way into the American money-go-round. Less of the People are owning more of America. What's left for the others ? That means more borrowing, or print more money which devalues the dollar even more, already a fiat currency like many others that depend on the regard of others, not something like the gold standard e.g. It's easier to see that happening over here in a smaller country than in (say) a big city with maybe twice the population of NZ. You can be insulated from the effects of the predations of the super-rich only for so long before it all hits the fan and America finds itself in more total debt than the value of the entire country. At that point, it's finished as a world leader and sinks to just another country in the global scheme of things. It's not a question of laziness, because the bludgers have always been in a minority. NZ was built on hard work and our govt departments were accountable to the peoples' vote at election time, or at least accountable through the media. Most of those departments were corporatized then sold off by successive govts in the early nineties and no govt has ever made a serious attempt since to nationalize them back. Corporates don't have any social responsibility in general and most of them are owned overseas and every year when a profit is announced, much of the profit leaves the NZ economy, period. The govt in America didn't have to sell off its departments because the corporates already own the govt. Bush's mates in the corporate world were standing by for the moolah when the Iraq invasion was starting. At least 20 new oil companies in Iraq shortly after. And there comes a time when a person who applies for a trade apprenticeship, or a job, is knocked back because of his age, assuming said apprenticeship is available in the first place. People who have had their near-lifelong jobs taken from them and given to dollar-a-day labour in the Far East are often only years away from retirement, or even say 35. We've got brilliant telecom techs here that ended up cleaning shop windows, or buying into franchises and trying to get out of them for years once they realized what they had got themselves into. We've dentists who are taxi drivers because corporate-style dental clinics out-price them and make their profession uneconomical. The solid jobs here, like anywhere else, are the ambulance, police and fire service etc. Others are on a three month contract basis, not only because of Covid, but because when the unions were all but finished, it became an employers' dream here and individual contracts became the norm. I saw all these things happening under the noses of those that couldn't perceive what was happening, and today we have a large (for NZ) poor class where we never had one before. We became a two-tier society, instead of a three-tier stable economic entity, and the only thing that makes it work is the variety and often good luck that a business may have, that endures for long enough to make some money before it's undercut by another business, with no govt regulation whatsoever. A govt is elected to protect and manage its people. Our govts don't protect us commercially. It's dog eat dog and the 10% finish the job by sucking the economy and returning very little. Our central banks are out of any democratic control by the People, and operate as separate entities, especially in the US, largely without accountability to Congress or any other US govt department. How long do you think that's gonna last, Mags ? Competition and corporate commercialism is ruining our countries, and ruining the environment, and the world. There's got to be a shake-up somewhere, or we are all in for the Big Fall. Even water has now become a commercial money-maker in some parts of your country, something every citizen in the world should have a right to, under natural law. We would have laughed in the 60's at the concept of bottled water. Now it's been a reality for years (not counting the office water-cooler).
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Post by Magnus on Apr 25, 2021 11:00:57 GMT
Last I heard Trump may be available for consultation, maybe the people of New Zealand should give him a call ?... And you are debating on the middle level M8. The fundamental problem that has been warned about since at least 2006 is that Rome/America is having its economy siphoned off by the super-rich and not returned in any meaningful way into the American money-go-round. Less of the People are owning more of America. What's left for the others ? It's easier to see that happening over here in a smaller country ... It's not a question of laziness, because the bludgers have always been in a minority. NZ was built on hard work and our govt departments were accountable to the peoples' vote at election time, or at least accountable through the media. And there comes a time when a person who applies for a trade apprenticeship, or a job, is knocked back because of his age, assuming said apprenticeship is available in the first place. People who have had their near-lifelong jobs taken from them and given to dollar-a-day labour in the Far East are often only years away from retirement, or even say 35. We've got brilliant telecom techs here that ended up cleaning shop windows, or buying into franchises and trying to get out of them for years once they realized what they had got themselves into. We've dentists who are taxi drivers because corporate-style dental clinics out-price them and make their profession uneconomical. The solid jobs here, like anywhere else, are the ambulance, police and fire service etc. Others are on a three month contract basis, not only because of Covid, but because when the unions were all but finished, it became an employers' dream here and individual contracts became the norm. I saw all these things happening under the noses of those that couldn't perceive what was happening, and today we have a large (for NZ) poor class where we never had one before. We became a two-tier society, instead of a three-tier stable economic entity, and the only thing that makes it work is the variety and often good luck that a business may have, that endures for long enough to make some money before it's undercut by another business, with no govt regulation whatsoever. A govt is elected to protect and manage its people. Our govts don't protect us commercially. It's dog eat dog and the 10% finish the job by sucking the economy and returning very little. Our central banks are out of any democratic control by the People, and operate as separate entities, especially in the US, largely without accountability to Congress or any other US govt department. How long do you think that's gonna last, Mags ? Competition and corporate commercialism is ruining our countries, and ruining the environment, and the world. There's got to be a shake-up somewhere, or we are all in for the Big Fall. Even water has now become a commercial money-maker in some parts of your country, something every citizen in the world should have a right to, under natural law. We would have laughed in the 60's at the concept of bottled water. Now it's been a reality for years (not counting the office water-cooler). Again Macky, that all may be true over there, but it's far from the reality of this country. And I'm not debating, I'm stating facts as they pertain to the USA not to New Zealand which I know little about. If you lived here you'd see the real estate market is BOOMING and prices right now are on the upswing. The people who are buying all of this real estate aren't part of the 1% or any other group, they're just people who go to work and don't make excuses like some of the 'cultures' here do. There are plenty of good paying jobs everywhere here as well, but you have to be willing to invest in yourself, forget all the nonsense that you have no control over, possibly get your hands dirty, and simply go to WORK like I already stated. It's really that easy to rise up and join the middle class here, and like others have stated it's no secret to the many hard working various Asian / Indian / Pakistani / Iranians / Russians and others who come here and easily skip right over the existing citizen 'blame-gamers' who do nothing but make excuses...
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