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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 8:40:26 GMT
There's never any excuse for rioting and looting and destroying peoples property, it doesn't matter what happened... Macky, you're one of my favorite people on here, but if you really believe in the 'white privilege' total bullshit LIE then you have no clue about what actually goes on here in the U.S. First watch the video and then here's some stats for you to ponder ... www.newsmax.com/rogerandersen/police-social-reform-blacklivesmatter-killings/2020/07/17/Regarding Floyd's treatment, what Mox said. He's put it better than me. I have NEVER endorsed rioting or looting for any reason on here, or anywhere else, Mags M8. And I said so on other posts. I'm saying what the rioting was all perceived to be about. As for rioters, I've also said that any body pointing or threatening police or anyone else with a gun should be warned, then shot dead. That removes the threat permanently. The conditions in these neighbourhoods that were once nice places to live are not only like that because of the people who live there. Those people STILL have a responsibility for their environment nevertheless. EVERYBODY needs to come up to the plate. Like I said, drugs ruin societies and the sooner they start back on life imprisonment with hard labour, the sooner the pushers and cookers will realize their days in the Sun are numbered. And principally, citing black neighbourhoods etc does not address Chauvin's knee continuously on someone's neck who is obviously under control, even if he was unruly before. He was not struggling at that point, and was covered by other officers as well. If he struggled, cuff his elbows, flailing legs, cuff one of his ankles to the cuffs on his wrists. It's easy to control someone on the ground when you've got several officers and the guy is already cuffed and laying down. I mean, come on, M8, you tell me why you think nine minutes of knee on neck was necessary. Is that standard police procedure, like I asked ? And I'm not "white privelege" per se, but if that indeed WAS a white guy in a suit that had a clean record, then Brother, you got a lot of worrying to do. Because next time if that's standard police procedure, it might me a member of your family who may suffer from some disorder that the police don't know about. What would you think then if they came to you and told you that your family member was dead because it's standard police procedure to place knees on the neck of those apprehended for minor crimes and who struggled for a while before they were under control and compliant ? For nine + minutes. You didn't see the full George Floyd video I take it ?... Macky, please watch the video's I posted that show what the 'culture' is in these neighborhoods, pretty please ?.. When I lived out in Far Rockaway Queens New York in the '60s these types of lowlife scumbags would attack and mug elderly people in the street, and I know of more than one unfortunate soul that was stomped on and had their ribs broken (or worse) just for the fun of it... They'd also break into the schools and wait in the stairwells to rob kindergarten kids of their milk money, ask me how I know ?... FUCK THEM like Billfish say's, they're nothing but human garbage...
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Post by moxohol on Apr 18, 2021 9:00:32 GMT
The only relevance of Floyd's criminal record is to run any outstanding warrants & what his rap sheet says so they know....................U don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal, SJW or clutch ur pearls to understand that the taxpaying public who fund these cops have a vested interest in the way cops do their job because it could just as well be them or their momma laying on the street with a knee jammed up their neck suffocating & that u don't have to be fucked up on drugs to die from that either. Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for a violent 1st-degree felony assault and robbery two years earlier, where disguised as a government employee he pressed a pistol to a pregnant woman's stomach and brute forced his way into her house with the intent to rob her. Consequently, a Ford truck pulled up to the house’s main entrance, five people exited the truck and went straight inside the lady’s house.... Must have been a NIGHTMARE for that woman, no ? ...and before that incident he had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, etc. a real piece of human trash if you ask me, so I'd say there was some "relevance" in the way 6' 6" 260 pound AND high out of his mind on drugs Mr. Floyd was handled, especially due to the fact that he wasn't cooperating after being caught committing yet another crime, wouldn't you ? ***Hennepin County medical examiners released the toxicology report on June 2nd, 2020 which stated that George Floyd was indeed intoxicated with Fentanyl, Methamphetamine, and traces of cannabinoids and morphine at the time of his death. However, these were not termed the principal factors behind Floyd’s death. Floyd has an extensive criminal past related to the drug trade and use. Did you watch the full video ?... Sounds like you might have, and of course I'm saddened by the outcome, he definitely didn't deserve to die, but "U don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal, SJW or clutch ur pearls to understand that" the stupid criminal motherfucker bears responsibility for bringing this tragic situation about in the first place. Oh yeah?......If I was the director in that episode, I would have yelled, "CUT!" Any cops' only personal & professional worry should be for their personal safety & criminal apprehension. Whether or not Georgie boy was a reprehensible peice of shit is IRRELEVANT. They had him subdued. He wasn't bucking around like a wild horse. They took the shit personally & applied overkill not "parity of force". Parity of Force is an important & essential legal element in any Use of Force incident & Threat Level Continuum (ask any cop about them). All ur doing here is chanting a flawed mantra & gaslighting, deliberately or not, the facts with cognitive dissonance. George Floyd was not THREAT to the officers or public once he was cuffed & stuffed onto the deck. The use of force has to have parity with the conditions at the time. If Floyd took a swing at or resisted (not squirming due to pain compliance) police trying subdue him, I'd be the 1st to ring his chimes HARD to let him know there's a serious price to be had that's just not worth it. Any street cop understands this. They had him restrained & killed him in their custody. It's that simple. That Floyd was an utter peice of shit is for a court to decide not the cops. Checks & balances. If u let cops get away with that shit then u are setting them for failure later on & it might be on your own momma or wife that they body slam on the curb just because of the kind of precedence u cite.
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Post by macky on Apr 18, 2021 10:12:27 GMT
I don't have to watch those videos, Mags. Not even for pretty please I believe everything you say about those neighbourhoods, and the type of people who inhabit them. Don't forget that NZ has examples of the very same thing, albeit on a smaller scale obviously, and as a telephone man I have been in thousands of houses and company premises, defence buildings, parliament, SAS and army compound, banks and seen parts of buildings that most of the people who work there have never seen. Some of the neighbourhoods I've been to in the course of my job I left workmates in the van so that it wouldn't be robbed while I was in the house. Some houses I refused to work in because of the filth and utter garbage tip they had rendered the insides. Drugs. I've picked up toddlers wandering around the street before they were run over, and called the police because their parents were inside, out of their minds or in a drunken comma. Other houses have had islanders who looked like they would like some "sport". They restrained themselves when I pretended to dial up "Control Centre" and give their address and "number of occupants and details". The house owner was a senior lady who seemed all right which is why I remained to fix the phone. Let me give you a story about the difference between the law and "Universal justice". We had a little arsehole who was kicked out of a pub down the line a few kilometres away, and decided he would go back and shoot the publican dead with a rifle. He was quickly apprehended by the police, and made it to Court alive, presumably NOT having a cop's knee held on his neck until dead. All done lawfully, sent to prison according to the law. The fact that he was a real arsehole was proven by he saying to the family of the man he shot as he was being lead into the court "He's rotting !" Some time later, this little arsehole was stabbed to death in prison. Probably being an arsehole to the wrong person, but nevertheless, I don't recall anybody shedding a tear for him because he got what he deserved, Universal justice. Agreed ? But he didn't get it from the police, or the courts, or the wardens. They operated according to the law. Many people would say that Floyd got what he deserved in the way of Universal justice, no question. He certainly didn't deserve to be held up as some kind of martyr. But the police on that day (Chauvin's cohorts as well, because they stood by and did nothing) acted well beyond their brief, and certainly contributed to a situation where Chauvin is on trial now. I would respectfully ask you again Mags M8. Is it normal police procedure for police to hold and press their knee on a suspect's neck for nine minutes when he is already subdued and essentially compliant ? AND with other police covering him ? If it IS standard police procedure, and you don't think there is anything racial about it, then you and every other person that may be apprehended by police are in mortal danger, whether they are innocent or not. Hypothetical case. A man has a fit inside a shop and in his thrashing around, starts breaking goods in his state, that is mistaken for drugs. Police are called and they need to be a bit rough in restraining him. Once on the ground he is cuffed accordingly and in the meantime recovers and remains quiet and compliant. But no, standard procedure requires an officer's knee for nine minutes, pressing into his neck. Yes ?
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 10:25:32 GMT
Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for a violent 1st-degree felony assault and robbery two years earlier, where disguised as a government employee he pressed a pistol to a pregnant woman's stomach and brute forced his way into her house with the intent to rob her. Consequently, a Ford truck pulled up to the house’s main entrance, five people exited the truck and went straight inside the lady’s house.... Must have been a NIGHTMARE for that woman, no ? ...and before that incident he had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, etc. a real piece of human trash if you ask me, so I'd say there was some "relevance" in the way 6' 6" 260 pound AND high out of his mind on drugs Mr. Floyd was handled, especially due to the fact that he wasn't cooperating after being caught committing yet another crime, wouldn't you ? ***Hennepin County medical examiners released the toxicology report on June 2nd, 2020 which stated that George Floyd was indeed intoxicated with Fentanyl, Methamphetamine, and traces of cannabinoids and morphine at the time of his death. However, these were not termed the principal factors behind Floyd’s death. Floyd has an extensive criminal past related to the drug trade and use. Did you watch the full video ?... Sounds like you might have, and of course I'm saddened by the outcome, he definitely didn't deserve to die, but "U don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal, SJW or clutch ur pearls to understand that" the stupid criminal motherfucker bears responsibility for bringing this tragic situation about in the first place. Oh yeah?......If I was the director in that episode, I would have yelled, "CUT!" Any cops' only personal & professional worry should be for their personal safety & criminal apprehension. Whether or not Georgie boy was a reprehensible peice of shit is IRRELEVANT. They had him subdued. He wasn't bucking around like a wild horse. They took the shit personally & applied overkill not "parity of force". Parity of Force is an important & essential legal element in any Use of Force incident & Threat Level Continuum (ask any cop about them). All ur doing here is chanting a flawed mantra & gaslighting, deliberately or not, the facts with cognitive dissonance. George Floyd was not THREAT to the officers or public once he was cuffed & stuffed onto the deck. The use of force has to have parity with the conditions at the time. If Floyd took a swing at or resisted (not squirming due to pain compliance) police trying subdue him, I'd be the 1st to ring his chimes HARD to let him know there's a serious price to be had that's just not worth it. Any street cop understands this. They had him restrained & killed him in their custody. It's that simple. That Floyd was an utter peice of shit is for a court to decide not the cops. Checks & balances. If u let cops get away with that shit then u are setting them for failure later on & it might be on your own momma or wife that they body slam on the curb just because of the kind of precedence u cite. First you say there was relevance in your other post and now in this post there's not ?... Did you see the entire video of the situation, and do you realize that 'certain' types of neck restraints were permitted by the Minneapolis police dept. at that time?. You talk like you either were or are currently in law enforcement, are you?, and didn't you know that fact about the permitted neck restraints?... www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-was-officers-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-authorizedYeah, there's plenty 'relevance' pertaining to his past criminal history, but I agree that he didn't need to die because of it. As for "gaslighting" and "chanting a flawed mantra" please let me simplify my point for you so that you fully understand what I'm saying: By no means do I agree with the tactics that were used nor the tragic outcome, but this creep wasn't anywhere close to the 'innocent victim' that the media and others with an agenda portrayed him to be. He was a habitual drug user and violent repeat felony offender that wouldn't 'man up' when he got caught committing crimes once again. He definitely bore some of the responsibility for his own untimely demise, anyone who disputes that fact is part of the problem emanating from certain 'cultures' that continually hold others to blame for their own inadequacies and overall failures. Let this be a lesson to those who would contemplate not to comply when legitamately taken into custody, DON'T RESIST...For your own safety just simply do as you're told and live to fight your battle in court. Like you said, that's "for a court to decide not the cops".... ***Unless of course you're a white guy, on your knees, being held at gunpoint in a Las Vegas hotel, like in the video I posted. But the media treated that tragedy like a passing glance of a story, and there wasn't any riots, looting, or 'outrage' by anyone afterwards...
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 10:42:33 GMT
But the police on that day (Chauvin's cohorts as well, because they stood by and did nothing) acted well beyond their brief, and certainly contributed to a situation where Chauvin is on trial now. I would respectfully ask you again Mags M8. Is it normal police procedure for police to hold and press their knee on a suspect's neck for nine minutes when he is already subdued and essentially compliant ? AND with other police covering him ? If it IS standard police procedure, and you don't think there is anything racial about it, then you and every other person that may be apprehended by police are in mortal danger, whether they are innocent or not. Yes ? Race likely had absolutely ZERO to do with it, that's just the false narrative to push the agenda of certain groups. ...and as for your other question, unfortunately the answer is YES (kind of). Chauvin was initially permitted to perform the neck restraint, but obviously went too far. Please read more about it here: www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-was-officers-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-authorized"A critical factor for jurors to consider at a former Minneapolis police officer's trial in George Floyd's death is whether he violated the department's policy on neck restraints when he knelt on Floyd's neck. The Minneapolis Police Department banned all forms of neck restraints and chokeholds weeks after Floyd's death, but at the time of his May 25 arrest by Derek Chauvin and other officers, certain neck restraints were permitted — provided certain guidelines and conditions were followed."
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Post by moxohol on Apr 18, 2021 13:41:33 GMT
Oh yeah?......If I was the director in that episode, I would have yelled, "CUT!" Any cops' only personal & professional worry should be for their personal safety & criminal apprehension. Whether or not Georgie boy was a reprehensible peice of shit is IRRELEVANT. They had him subdued. He wasn't bucking around like a wild horse. They took the shit personally & applied overkill not "parity of force"...................................it might be on your own momma or wife that they body slam on the curb just because of the kind of precedence u cite. First you say there was relevance in your other post and now in this post there's not ?... Did you see the entire video of the situation, and do you realize that 'certain' types of neck restraints were permitted by the Minneapolis police dept. at that time?. You talk like you either were or are currently in law enforcement, are you?, and didn't you know that fact about the permitted neck restraints?... www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-was-officers-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-authorized.....................................But the media treated that tragedy like a passing glance of a story, and there wasn't any riots, looting, or 'outrage' by anyone afterwards... Any misleading or position reversals by me is simply in error & unintentional. It's only "relevant" with the kind of changes u want to make stick but mainly in justifying ur actions in the pending incident report. The type of restraints that police are allowed varies with the jurisdiction? Doesn't it? It doesn't fly in the OPP & they placed a moratorium on neck restraints in NYPD after Eric Garner bought it. Floyd was directed to the prone AFTER he was handcuffed because he refused to get inside the cruiser. Neck cranks are not appropriate for an apprehended & subdued suspect. It's a pain compliance measure to get him to do what u want. What did they want him to do? Lay face down on the street? He was already there & he wasn't struggling at that point. He was gasping for air. Ur suppose to ease or release the hold as needed because u don't want to kill a subject in ur custody. They teach that at the police academy too but don't mention that at all. Plus, there was no weapon involved. A pivotal issue with cops & how they will apply lethal, less lethal & non-lethal force in their Use of Force continuum (ask any cop). Of course, u know that a traffic violation can escalate into a felony stop by the suspects actions which will dictate a cops response not by what his rap sheet says. Sure, ur going to run any outstanding warrants & learn of any priors for officer safety but how the fuck are u going to justify that a suspect detained by u got that ass waxed? How do u explain that u slammed grandma to the curb for flipping the officer off whilst pot gently wafed thru her car window? "She had shoplifting, burglary & misdemeanor drug possession w/ intent to sell charges. She had it coming." You'd have to have some serious creative reporting or gaslighting skills to write a narrative that it was justified. Cops operate under qualified immunity not with qualified impunity.
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 15:08:28 GMT
First you say there was relevance in your other post and now in this post there's not ?... Did you see the entire video of the situation, and do you realize that 'certain' types of neck restraints were permitted by the Minneapolis police dept. at that time?. You talk like you either were or are currently in law enforcement, are you?, and didn't you know that fact about the permitted neck restraints?... www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-was-officers-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-authorized.....................................But the media treated that tragedy like a passing glance of a story, and there wasn't any riots, looting, or 'outrage' by anyone afterwards... The type of restraints that police are allowed varies with the jurisdiction? Doesn't it? It doesn't fly in the OPP & they placed a moratorium on neck restraints in NYPD after Eric Garner bought it. ... A pivotal issue with cops & how they will apply lethal, less lethal & non-lethal force in their Use of Force continuum (ask any cop). Of course, u know that a traffic violation can escalate into a felony stop by the suspects actions which will dictate a cops response not by what his rap sheet says... Speaking of "jurisdiction", I lived on Staten Island for many years, not far at all from where the Eric Garner incident occured. As a matter of fact, I grew up only a few blocks from where Justin Volpe lived, remember him ?... nypost.com/2021/02/04/ex-nypd-cop-who-sodomized-abner-louima-should-stay-in-prison-feds/Poor Eric Garner also didn't deserve to die, but he also didn't comply and live to fight his fight in court. Here's what Garner said when he RESISTED ARREST: "Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because every time you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone"
When the officer then approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner pulled his arms away, saying, "Don't touch me, please."
Word to the wise: When a cop is set on arresting you "dindu nuffin" isn't going to get you any sort of free pass, just keep your mouth shut, comply and live to fight your battle in court...ALIVE
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Post by moxohol on Apr 18, 2021 15:37:52 GMT
The type of restraints that police are allowed varies with the jurisdiction? Doesn't it? It doesn't fly in the OPP & they placed a moratorium on neck restraints in NYPD after Eric Garner bought it. ... A pivotal issue with cops & how they will apply lethal, less lethal & non-lethal force in their Use of Force continuum (ask any cop). Of course, u know that a traffic violation can escalate into a felony stop by the suspects actions which will dictate a cops response not by what his rap sheet says... Speaking of "jurisdiction", I lived on Staten Island for many years, not far at all from where the Eric Garner incident occured. As a matter of fact, I grew up only a few blocks from where Justin Volpe lived, remember him ?... nypost.com/2021/02/04/ex-nypd-cop-who-sodomized-abner-louima-should-stay-in-prison-feds/Poor Eric Garner also didn't deserve to die, but he also didn't comply and live to fight his fight in court. Here's what Garner said when he RESISTED ARREST: "Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because every time you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone"
When the officer then approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner pulled his arms away, saying, "Don't touch me, please."
Word to the wise: When a cop is set on arresting you "dindu nuffin" isn't going to get you any sort of free pass, just keep your mouth shut, comply and live to fight your battle in court...ALIVE Ur comparing apples to Oranges. Floyd submitted to handcuffs but balked/hesitated/resisted entering the cruiser. He was then directed to the prone. A) He was in police custody by virtue of being already handcuffed. That's most of the battle right there. B) At no time did the police lose control or access with the subject. C) Neck cranks or choke holds are pain compliance not control methods. The 2 are distinct. They are suppose to release the hold so the perp doesn't expire. They didn't. Doesn't that bother u? D) No weapon or chase was involved. They had him right there! So no need for pain compliance, lethal or non-lethal applications. E) Police have training to deal with sort of thing. It's far being a split second decision with far reaching consequences. They had all the time they needed! Eric Garner simply refused to submit to handcuffs & comply with orders. Garner was one big wood chopping motherfucker too. 2 or 3 of them had to subdue him right? If I'd been one of those cops, I'd have tased or maced him. No way would I have wasted effort with a WWF match on Hulk Hogan there. Been there, done that!
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Post by billfish on Apr 18, 2021 16:24:19 GMT
Having seen just how fast things things can escalate, if I were the cop ordered to arrest Garner I would have told the Black female Sergeant who was present and gave the order as I was told by people in the know, to arrest him herself. How many here are aware that the reason Garner was confronted was that the owners of the grocery store where this took place called the police on him.....OR THAT THEY ARE BLACK ? Garner could have just walked away and that would have been the end of it. Saint Floyd was a career criminal and a parasite on society....no loss I wouldn't be a cop in NYC for $ 10 million a year because nothing you say or do will ever sit well with the black community......read all the articles you want, but reality is a whole different story and I imagine very few of the people defending Garner or Saint Floyd have ever seen a confrontation between the cops and the locals. No matter how the cops handle it it always boils down to this "White Mother Fuckers" ! It's always "they be arresting a brother".....no one gives a fuck that the "brother" just raped a woman or robbed someone's apartment.....I have personally seen them ROB items from apartments of people who had fires in their apartments even before the smoke cleared ! How about responding to a car accident where people are still in the car and seriously injured having their jewelry ripped off of them ? Or....a kid hit by a car and under it, with several laughing teenagers jumping up and down on the hood ? Or the burglars robbing a house directly across the street from the firehouse looking out the window and laughing at us. Because of the high crime in that area (East New York Brooklyn) there was no available police units for 20 minutes....or the Hispanic cleaning lady waiting for a bus who was kidnapped and gang raped by 5 black guys and left naked and beaten in the street, my fire company found her while returning to the firehouse after a run. The list is endless and believe me, I have volumes more. This is reality in the black communities..... yet, it's all the cop's fault Brother my ass....sell drugs to kids in your own communities, rob people in your own communities, burn down buildings in your own communities, rape women in your own communities.....destroy everything in your own communities....... but it's all whitey's fault I had two cars stolen while working at the firehouse and the firehouse was broken into and items stolen several times.....guess it was my/our fault Fuck Saint Floyd and fuck Garner.....they both finally ran out of time and both asked for it The only way this bullshit is going to end is the day that the black community stands up against their own criminal elements the same way they confront the police Until then.....they will just be "keepin' it real" Mags knows it and I know it....
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Apr 18, 2021 17:20:30 GMT
The only way this bullshit is going to end is the day that the black community stands up against their own criminal elements the same way they confront the police Until then.....they will just be "keepin' it real" Mags knows it and I know it.... That (unfortunately) will only happen if the industries of media and education are ever recovered by more moderate leaning elements. deucegunner knows it....
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 17:54:58 GMT
Speaking of "jurisdiction", I lived on Staten Island for many years, not far at all from where the Eric Garner incident occured. As a matter of fact, I grew up only a few blocks from where Justin Volpe lived, remember him ?... nypost.com/2021/02/04/ex-nypd-cop-who-sodomized-abner-louima-should-stay-in-prison-feds/Poor Eric Garner also didn't deserve to die, but he also didn't comply and live to fight his fight in court. Here's what Garner said when he RESISTED ARREST: "Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because every time you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone"
When the officer then approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner pulled his arms away, saying, "Don't touch me, please."
Word to the wise: When a cop is set on arresting you "dindu nuffin" isn't going to get you any sort of free pass, just keep your mouth shut, comply and live to fight your battle in court...ALIVE Ur comparing apples to Oranges. Floyd submitted to handcuffs but balked/hesitated/resisted entering the cruiser. He was then directed to the prone. Totally disagree, resisting is resisting, just COMPLY and you'll live to fight it out in court, it's that simple...
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 18:18:14 GMT
Poor Eric Garner also didn't deserve to die, but he also didn't comply and live to fight his fight in court. Here's what Garner said when he RESISTED ARREST: "Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because every time you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone"
When the officer then approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner pulled his arms away, saying, "Don't touch me, please."
Word to the wise: When a cop is set on arresting you "dindu nuffin" isn't going to get you any sort of free pass, just keep your mouth shut, comply and live to fight your battle in court...ALIVE Eric Garner simply refused to submit to handcuffs & comply with orders. Garner was one big wood chopping motherfucker too. 2 or 3 of them had to subdue him right? If I'd been one of those cops, I'd have tased or maced him. No way would I have wasted effort with a WWF match on Hulk Hogan there. Been there, done that! Garner wasn't an athlete or even a weightlifter, he was just a big FAT very unhealthy guy, anyone with the proper technical and physical training could get him down on the ground without much if any 'assistance' aside from possibly a quick shot of pepper spray. Mace isn't nearly as effective in these types of situations and the taser has too many disadvantages as compared to good old pepper spray...
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 18:28:28 GMT
Until then.....they will just be "keepin' it real" Mags knows it and I know it.... It's amusing when people like us have actually lived in these neighborhoods and know the REAL DEAL through actual EXPERIENCE, yet others watch the news from far away and then form such strong opinions on the subject based on news reports... LOLOLOL I've been at the scene of different 'circumstances' and know first hand how the FAKE NEWS will then twist things up to fit their own narrative and agenda. We both know all too well how certain 'cultures' give in to their inferiority complexes and continually insist on 'Keepin' It Real', never learning their lesson...
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Post by Magnus on Apr 18, 2021 18:33:38 GMT
Here's more instances of Keeping' It Real...LOLOLOLOL
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Post by moxohol on Apr 18, 2021 18:34:37 GMT
Ur comparing apples to Oranges. Floyd submitted to handcuffs but balked/hesitated/resisted entering the cruiser. He was then directed to the prone. Totally disagree, resisting is resisting, just COMPLY and you'll live to fight it out in court, it's that simple... It doesn't pass the litmus test. The cops failed to apply the Use of Force continuum. He wasn't a threat to anyone because he was in their custody handcuffed in the prone position. A fat assed 13 year old kid could have sat or stood on his back & did a better job of it without killing him then this cop who had full use of his mental facilities & training while the suspect was mentally impaired. I don't give a rats ass how much he wiggled or squirmed away from the officer. He wasn't going anywhere. Once the cuffs go on the cops have an obligation to cease applying force other then using the minimum force to secure him. The standard u are using here is a lame pretext. Pure & simple. It's not you, me or the cops who get to decide how his rap sheet is relevant or that he's a certified shithead. That's what a judge & jury is for.
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