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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 31, 2021 0:21:03 GMT
We are all welcome to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Dr Stefan Lanka has made statements of fact that can be referenced. Very plain. Very transparent. There is no evidence anywhere, no proof, of a virus that is contagious. None. You want to sort out truth? Cui bono?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 31, 2021 6:25:13 GMT
Not made by me but I thought it was funny.
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Post by macky on Jan 31, 2021 9:14:00 GMT
Mostly agree except: Dr Stefan Lanka is a virologist. He likely has a clue. That's not exactly what I said mikey mate. It's denied on the site. Other MS virologists have an "opposite" stance on viruses. They probably have a clue as well. At the last, because we are not virologists, if Lanka's presentations seem better than the MS narrative, then that's fair enough. There was certainly plenty of opposition to the conventional view of viruses pre-1933. I'm not denying that Lanka's stuff is valid. It may well be. Especially since we both know the people who support MS medical science these days, and have for a long time. Corporate power has a great influence on scientific focus, and in some cases has distorted the science itself. Certainly the tests that pharma set up to prove their meds effective have been seen to be biased towards getting "good" results, at times, so everything they put out has to be treated with reservation until proven otherwise. Widespread criminal convictions for off-label promotion, doctors' kickbacks etc include nearly all the big pharma companies over the last twenty + years so it's nothing new. These vaccinations seem to have been brought out in a panic, and I'm not going to willingly take any. But I'm looking at the wider picture re the whole thing, "pandemic", overall state of the world, some historical facts, as they apply to what is happening globally. The vaccinations as well. It seems to me that the pandemic is being used to bring about a change of some sort, perhaps more than one change. I thought for a while that the change may be financial, but it seems that globally the financial structure overall of the world is reasonably stable, despite the visible politicking of opposing countries. Perhaps the financial change may only be in America, I don't know. It's evident in modern times that America is largely consumed by conspiracy theories, or at least fringe attitudes post-911. The American People no longer seem to trust their govt and/or the legal process. Even democracy itself. That's a blinking red light, and I hope things calm down soon. But apart from that, I certainly believe something global is going on in behind the pandemic. The PTB has been busy planning (as they always do) for contingencies, and this is one of them.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 31, 2021 14:08:06 GMT
Mostly agree except: Dr Stefan Lanka is a virologist. He likely has a clue. That's not exactly what I said mikey mate. It's denied on the site. Other MS virologists have an "opposite" stance on viruses. They probably have a clue as well. At the last, because we are not virologists, if Lanka's presentations seem better than the MS narrative, then that's fair enough. There was certainly plenty of opposition to the conventional view of viruses pre-1933. I'm not denying that Lanka's stuff is valid. It may well be. Especially since we both know the people who support MS medical science these days, and have for a long time. Corporate power has a great influence on scientific focus, and in some cases has distorted the science itself. Certainly the tests that pharma set up to prove their meds effective have been seen to be biased towards getting "good" results, at times, so everything they put out has to be treated with reservation until proven otherwise. Widespread criminal convictions for off-label promotion, doctors' kickbacks etc include nearly all the big pharma companies over the last twenty + years so it's nothing new. These vaccinations seem to have been brought out in a panic, and I'm not going to willingly take any. But I'm looking at the wider picture re the whole thing, "pandemic", overall state of the world, some historical facts, as they apply to what is happening globally. The vaccinations as well. It seems to me that the pandemic is being used to bring about a change of some sort, perhaps more than one change. I thought for a while that the change may be financial, but it seems that globally the financial structure overall of the world is reasonably stable, despite the visible politicking of opposing countries. Perhaps the financial change may only be in America, I don't know. It's evident in modern times that America is largely consumed by conspiracy theories, or at least fringe attitudes post-911. The American People no longer seem to trust their govt and/or the legal process. Even democracy itself. That's a blinking red light, and I hope things calm down soon. But apart from that, I certainly believe something global is going on in behind the pandemic. The PTB has been busy planning (as they always do) for contingencies, and this is one of them. Cui bono. Doctors who are coming forward with the truth, like Dr Lanka, have little to gain and much to lose - indeed, they have been fired, censored, ridiculed, banned, threatened, persecuted and even killed because of their passion to help people and their adherence to scientific fact, no matter the personal cost. Those who are supporting and/or supplying the MSM BS narrative, like FauxChi, are paid to play along with the constantly changing fake-facts narrative. Wearing a lab coat or sheepskin on the wall doesn't make anyone a more caring "expert". So, yeah, I agree, the flu scam is about globalization, vaccination, population reduction, greed and psychotic debauchery at the highest levels, not health. Fortunately, we have Natural / Common Law, inalienable human sovereign rights that everyone enters this world with by the act of being born and that cannot be taken away. They can only be given away by consent of the citizen. We must be persuaded to consent, comply and conform to the Religion Of Public Health which is what MSM is all about. It is the citizens that establish the government and are, therefore, above it. Citizens either allow or deny government suggestions to influence their liberty - not vice-versa - and, by free choice, follow the guidelines or not as they choose. No one is obligated to accept any measure that they feel is oppressive, invasive or morally unacceptable to their conscience.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 31, 2021 17:29:03 GMT
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 31, 2021 18:52:27 GMT
I swear! The craziness that's out there these days is just mind boggling. I didn't catch where this occurred, but I just saw on a news station that a large vaccination facility somewhere was forced to shut down for an hour because of anti-vaccine protestors. I don't give a fuck if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, but don't prevent others who do from getting their vaccinations!
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Post by macky on Jan 31, 2021 19:34:43 GMT
mikey sez :
"It is the citizens that establish the government and are, therefore, above it."
No they don't, according to your own determinations over the last months. It's "stolen election" time. isn't it ? According to the Trumpeting since Nov 3 the election was won by Trump. So the present govt has NOT been established by the citizen majority, according to the Trumpian narrative, at all. You've just said that Trump won all 50 states.
So what is it ? A democratic republic, or a morally illegal govt via election fraud ? According to the Trumpians, the citizens have NOT established the govt. That's part of the all-consuming conspiracy theory that a large portion of the American public believe, and the resulting distrust of election process, therefore democracy itself.
I've posted examples of historic national election fraud of long standing, so the citizens via democratic process have often NOT established the new govt at all.
"Citizens either allow or deny government suggestions to influence their liberty - not vice-versa - and, by free choice, follow the guidelines or not as they choose. No one is obligated to accept any measure that they feel is oppressive, invasive or morally unacceptable to their conscience."
That fine bit of wishful thinking ignores at least 70 years of govt-sanctioned abuses of US citizens such as jacked-up calls and pressures to wars, the awful 20 years of MKUltra, and numerous other unauthorized and unethical experiments on unwitting and therefore unknowing citizens of the United States.
"Free choice" was never in it. Getting drugged up by the CIA and their minions wasn't free choice, neither was conscription for Vietnam. Try not paying your tax, and see what happens. There's plenty of people who feel that tax is oppressive and morally unacceptable, especially when they see corporates not paying any, or minimal.
Propaganda in order to compel The People to do what the PTB-controlled govt wants always works much better when The People believe they are exercising Free Choice.
When it comes to the PTB-controlled govt, Free Choice doesn't exist. It's a carefully controlled mass-illusion for the PTB's revenue-stream via warfare and social engineering.
About the only Free Choice you are left with re the pandemic, or "pandemic", is (1) whether you regard the whole vaccination thing as a bona fide measure to try and eliminate a global emergency, or (2) yet another form of mass-control of the People by invasive physical means. The day I see the vaccination becoming compulsory via govt edict, is the day I will believe the latter.
Cui bono ? The PTB of our countries, and ultimately the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 20:17:00 GMT
Exactly Bruce. This thread is embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 20:29:54 GMT
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Post by macky on Jan 31, 2021 20:49:16 GMT
I've outlined my views on the virus often enough, hopefully to make it plain that I am watching the progress of the vaccinations in all aspects as a yardstick for whether it is being used as a genuine measure of emergency treatment, or another measure of mass-control. Mass-control is not new, 9-11 was a classic example of it.
As for science, today's science is largely financed by multi-national corporates, and that leaves the way open for money-influenced science to be prominent. In other words, anything of scientific speculation that doesn't promise much in the way of profit is largely ignored.
And as for science itself, and the furthering of genuine knowledge, the progress of science is dotted with the efforts of "outsiders" who questioned the "scientific consensus" of the day, even into modern times.
Sometimes, those outsiders were eventually proven right, and their work that was previously criticized became the "new scientific consensus". Tesla, for example, who we owe our modern AC-driven power systems to.
Science of the day is notoriously near-sighted. An example is a professor who claimed that the Moon would not be walked on before 1980, and had to pay a bet on the matter.
An extreme example is a hypothetical travel back in time to the year 1900, and proclaiming that before 70 years was up, 250-ton aircraft would be routinely carrying hundreds of passengers at a time across the oceans at 500+ mph, and Man would have walked on the Moon.
I would give myself about one hour before I was certified by a magistrate and locked up in a mental asylum. Scientific consensus would see to it. It was largely driven by corporate money-power even in those days.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 31, 2021 20:53:22 GMT
Vaccine lovers and naysayers alike, cast aside the BS and arm yourselves with the truth before deciding to get 'jabbed' or not... summit.news/2021/01/26/merck-scraps-covid-vaccines-says-its-more-effective-to-get-the-virus-and-recover/?fbclid=IwAR3Jp9fgdz4OueZfs1IurlBzvNd9lOySbjrIIUDYrMQvXqnf2xSLPv1Ajpk...and this is the PROOF, directly from MERCK themselves... www.merck.com/news/merck-discontinues-development-of-sars-cov-2-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-continues-development-of-two-investigational-therapeutic-candidates/?fbclid=IwAR01U8FdvxsvcVzqgz8tZf1szdAKbBc9hcxYTgXsRjuv27a2HFqsX6xNWOUJanuary 25, 2021 6:45 am EST KENILWORTH, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing two therapeutic candidates, MK-4482 and MK-7110. This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. Merck continues to advance clinical programs and to scale-up manufacturing for two investigational medicines, MK-7110 and MK-4482 (molnupiravir); molnupiravir is being developed in collaboration with Ridgeback Bio.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 31, 2021 21:00:54 GMT
I personally don't think vaccines are the way to go, there are far too many variables and room for fuck ups by the inept.
No, MERCK gave up on the vaccine's for very good reason. The truth is that vaccines rely too much on the unknown, so what should be done is what's already being done for the rich & famous who contract the virus, and that's the use of 'therapeutics' that are known to basically shut the virus down in record time, yet the infected person gets all the benefits of natural immunity afterward. This is what was used on former president Trump and Rudy Giuliani, along with Chris Christie, etc... This is what needs to be readily available for everyone...
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 31, 2021 21:28:34 GMT
It's where you place your faith. Your choice.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 31, 2021 21:29:37 GMT
You do realize they said the same thing to Galileo, right m8?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 21:35:39 GMT
You do realize they said the same thing to Galileo, right m8? Yes owing to evidence. Thats the great thing about science and why it works. It has nothing to do with faith but evidence. And that’s why Lanka’s theories are so demonstrably flawed.
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