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Post by macky on Jan 27, 2021 20:03:51 GMT
mikey : "None of what you say there has had any evaluation with the scientific method. It's just conjecture. Like saying that umbrellas cause rain since they're always open when it's raining. Show proof or prove that a contagious virus exists using the scientific method. That has never been done. Indeed, it is impossible to prove the existence of a virus that is contagious and harmful by any means other than injection or transfusion, breaching the skin with a needle." Seriously ? Haven't you heard of electron microscopic techniques in your part of the world ? You know....scientific ? 'SARS-CoV-2 belongs to the broad family of viruses known as coronaviruses. It is a positive-sense single-stranded RNA (+ssRNA) virus, with a single linear RNA segment.' You think "they" made all that up ? Scientific-sounding nonsense put out by the "BS MSM" ? www.bitchute.com/video/TbNabuysclFq/Sorry, but I'm not going to waste 59 minutes watching anything that starts off with a picture of Dr Mengele, as some kind of strop-up for assertions of authoritarianism. We all know there's always gonna be those that use anything resembling an emergency to clamp down on people's rights etc, but implying that a Nazi ghoul that conducted outrageously cruel experiments on children under a regime that was bent on genocide has relevance to authority ordering people to do as they're told, just for the meantime, is simply shit-stirring.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 28, 2021 2:07:43 GMT
Seriously ? Haven't you heard of electron microscopic techniques in your part of the world ? You know....scientific ? Yes, I'm aware that the electron microscope does not examine anything that is alive. No proof of a contagious virus to be found there. Not proof of a contagious virus. I didn't expect you to. It's there FYI for whomever is interested.
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Post by macky on Jan 28, 2021 4:13:40 GMT
Evidence for viruses as living entities : www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150925142658.htmIdentified and contagious : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2#:~:text=Human%2Dto%2Dhuman,metres%20(6%20ft) I think that the idea that the pandemic is a hoax should then examine reasons other than scientific viral evidence. If in fact such a hoax exists, then who stands to gain, given that the alleged hoax is global ? The economies of infected countries have all suffered in some way, travel compromised, so-called individual "freedoms" curtailed (isolation and lockdown). Re the economy, would a country willingly compromise its economy if the whole thing was a hoax ? Globally ? The PTB of said countries are not going to let go their power and wealth anytime soon, especially in America. Nearly a third of the US wealth is owned by 1% of the population. You think they will stand by and see that eaten into, and their revenue stream lessened by economic measures designed to fight the pandemic ? So could it be the financial structure of the world is being altered by the global Moneymen, using the pandemic as an excuse ? What about the vaccines ? Are they themselves "live" ? Or a method for classifying the world population ? Is this a culling exercise ultimately, world resources projected to not be able to supply a rapidly growing global population ? Covid vaccines preparing the way for people's willing compliance towards more serious vaccines in the future ? Perhaps my annoyance at a picture of Dr Mengele being presented at the beginning of mikey's video was premature ?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 28, 2021 10:02:54 GMT
Oops! Sorry, Macky. I replied to the post that you made on page 7 but I accidentally deleted all the text. All I was left with was an empty quote box :bruvdunce. I'll try again... Corona viruses are seasonal and follow a similar pattern to flu. Both circulate all year but kill more people in Autumn and Winter. The image below shows flu through the seasons. Corona viruses follow the same pattern. The further you are from the equator, the more pronounced the flu and corona virus season is. NY, NJ, Spain, Italy, UK and Sweden's covid-19 deaths graph is similar to the top graph. California, Texas, Florida's graph is similar to the one below that. Australia and NZ's is the one at the bottom. This is why Australia and NZ will get the same flu strains as China but won't get them at the same time as China. It will happen in the southern hemisphere Autumn and Winter instead. Italy had suspended flights from China way back at the end of January. About 6 weeks before NZ closed it's borders but it didn't do Italy any good. Italy and Spain's infections peaked around the end of the first week of March (Still before NZ's border closure) despite flights from China being suspended over a month before. Spain and Italy's deaths peaked at the beginning of April. NY, NJ, UK and Sweden's peaks were two weeks later so their peak in infections was around the same time as NZ's border closure. Most of the UK's early infections came from Brits returning from Spain. Sweden's were Swede's returning from skiing holidays in Italy. NZ closed it's border before their flu and corona virus started. Europe closed their borders during corona virus season. The UK abandoned their coronavirus plan and just made it up as they went along (Like most of Europe). Brought in lockdown measures etc. Sweden stuck to their plan which was the same as the plan the UK had abandoned. No lockdowns, no masks. The Swedish government gave advise and limited numbers in gatherings. Pretty much the same result until January (Graph only shows until late November). The UK's deaths continued to climb since then and have only just started to level out and will hopefully decline now, while Sweden's have been declining since the beginning of January. The curve is very similar for Italy and Spain as well. It appears that sticking to a plan that has been developed over many years, works better than just making it up as you go along. Who knew?
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Post by macky on Jan 28, 2021 10:19:21 GMT
I have to say I'm impressed with your and mikey's work over this whole thing. You both have put a lot of time and effort into your posts.
Bruv : How do you reckon you would have got on if you had stayed in Ibiza ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 28, 2021 17:13:54 GMT
Article about, and with quotes, by Dr Stefan Lanka. Dr Stefan Lanka, part 1 with English translation. HERE is one of Dr Stefan Lanka's full presentation with subtitles. HERE is a lady reading Dr Stefan Lanka's recent writings in English, part 1 - posted January 25, 2021. She posted part 2 on the next day - also worth a listen for current event analysis by Dr Lanka. Study "Germ Theory vs Terrain Theory" articles concerning the fraud of Louis Pasteur and the wisdom of Antoine Bechamp. Find the presentations by Dr Andrew Kaufman. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I'm definitely not a virologist. I've researched for answers to my confusion for many hours over the past year, but I cannot hope to regurgitate what an expert virologist like Dr Lanka can convey to you himself. I've had to find a simple explanation to help me to understand - which I did in Jeff G.'s (Jeff Green) "Viral Misconceptions - Presentation On The True Nature Of Viruses" .... and his series of videos. Good luck! Found another interesting article.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 28, 2021 19:15:10 GMT
I have to say I'm impressed with your and mikey's work over this whole thing. You both have put a lot of time and effort into your posts. Bruv : How do you reckon you would have got on if you had stayed in Ibiza ? Thanks Macky, m8. Yes, I have spent a lot of time looking into it. If politicians are going to make or want to make big changes to my life then I want to know why these changes are necessary. Just listening to them on the news on tv is not the way to find out and everyone that just blindly follows that bullshit deserves everything that they get. I don't waste my time reading the news sites. I follow a load of individual professors on Twitter. Some are for lockdowns, some against. Some are pro vaccine, others are against. Some are pro vaccine but against the covid-19 vaccines because they don't believe they have been trialed long enough. I don't think things would have gone well for me in Ibiza. Most of my work was for Brit holiday home owners and they rely on renting their properties out in Summer and use the profit to improve the houses every year which often means they can rent out the property at higher prices the next Summer. I was working on the same houses every year and continually picking up new customers all the time and most of them would use me every year from then on. 2020 was a terrible year for tourism so I may have only had maintenance work to do. I don't know if it would have been enough for me and I doubt I would have been employing the lads I usually had with me, m8.
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Post by macky on Jan 28, 2021 19:31:16 GMT
You done well, M8t. Hope you do as well in Oz.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 28, 2021 19:59:38 GMT
I apologize. I had to fix one of those links - the one to the lady reading Dr Lanka's article, part 1. HERE is the text she reads in part 1. HERE is text she reads in part 2 (not linked in the above post).
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Post by macky on Jan 29, 2021 8:21:32 GMT
I'll read your stuff in the weekend mikey. Playing piano for the oldies tomorrow (Sat) and be out for most of the day.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 29, 2021 21:28:41 GMT
The USA's so called "Second Wave" in the middle of last year. It was not a second wave at all. It was the virus moving into the southern states while declining in the NE states. I've used NY and NJ to represent the NE states as they all had similar curves to their graphs and used Florida and Texas to represent southern states. If you combine all 4 graphs together you get the USA's graph with the so called second wave. The MSM and politicians in Europe were using the USA's graph to scare people with a Summer second wave even though professors in virology and epidemiology etc were trying to explain that there was no second wave in the USA and European countries would not get a second wave in Summer as corona viruses follow the seasonal pattern of the flu in Europe as shown in the top graph of the image below and that USA's southern states follow a pattern similar to the graph below that. The MSM were not interested though. They loved scaring everyone and so the UK public remained in lockdown for far too long into the Summer when infections should have been allowed to spread at easily manageable numbers for the hospitals to cope but the lockdowns just delayed infections until the Autumn and Winter when ICU are usually around 90% full every Winter and now the UK etc have had a terrible time of it with around 1200 deaths per day a couple of weeks ago in a population of just 68 million compared to the USA's just over 3000 per day recently in a population of over 330 million. The people of the UK wanted the restrictions and now they have paid the price. Well done for being such an ignorant bunch of arseholes and allowing your politicians to do this to you.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jan 29, 2021 22:44:38 GMT
Some acquaintances who got vaccinated describe their experiences as a "cluster fuck" .
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Post by jrmeatplow on Jan 30, 2021 0:11:48 GMT
DEATHS & Adverse Reactions reported after taking COVID vaccines
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Post by macky on Jan 30, 2021 9:31:51 GMT
Had a shufti at your first link mikey, the freedomarticles. Very interesting of course. It seems to be primarily a New World Order site which I certainly have no basic argument about.
The concept of a "NWO" working behind the scenes is centuries old, and currently would fit in with our prior discussions about compulsory vaccinations, for one. So far in NZ, we have been assured that vaccinations will not be compulsory, but if that ever changes then it will be confirmation (to me) that something ominous is afoot, especially if it's accompanied by "public shaming" broadcasts and TV adverts.
We saw the effects that repeated statements about "Islamic terrorists", "wmd" and the like had on the population, and recently my 9-11 debates with various people have been revealing as to how normally intelligent and even competent researchers can be swayed by simply repeating unproven dogma (as it becomes) over and over until it becomes accepted fact by a large section of the population.
So far it seems that the ID of the Covid virus is simply denied on the site, whereas in MS medical fields, it has been asserted to be confirmed. Since neither of us are scientists (as you say) it amounts to who you want to believe i.e. what fits into your personal belief system.
I don't see anything wrong with going along with the FA site, providing the info forwarded is examined and thought through. From a personal point of view I believe the financial aspects of near-global control have already been accomplished, especially since the Net has been accessible by the public and corporations, banks etc, for at least a quarter of a century now, making the process much faster, a press of a button, or even automated by a program. That doesn't mean that everything financial goes smoothly all the time. There are opposing factions of PTB as well. But generally the global spread of financial influence is significant, the Fed Res especially followed by other countries' banking systems, in order to keep in "harmony".
As such, medical control of The People is a sort of "final solution" in its own right. In the past, the control of the Minds of The People worked well, the mass-hypnosis of the population accomplished by shock-horror, the vital mental "censor" breached, and the sub-conscious subjected to any suggestion the PTB desired. Other means of mental control (some of which still have a degree of influence) such as religious fanaticism or simply straight-out nationalism have gradually lost their once-overriding control on The People.
In their place, in the nearly 20 years since 9-11, the number of conspiracy theories have grown to where large numbers of the population believe them, and more importantly, will act on them in various resolute ways. "Lone wolf" incidents have become more common, as well as the emergence of various groups of activists, many of them armed and ready to fight for what their particular beliefs are.
Desperate attempts from so-called skeptic sites such as Skeptoid have tried to quell the rise of CT's by ridicule, "proof" etc, but the recent events in America by large numbers of The People who acted on "conspiracy theories" such as QAnon (right up to some politicians) have demonstrated to the PTB that their efforts have largely failed. That the Mind of the People is no longer able to be controlled en masse any more.
Their "divide and rule" methods still have some effect on attitudes and beliefs, as is obvious on this board, but the divisions have now become too numerous, too extreme, for the PTB to totally control any more through those now-dated methods. As I've mentioned, disparity of wealth is a danger signal for both the PTB and The People. The PTB losing its total grip on the country/world influence, and many of The People having nothing left to lose, subsequently taking up arms and/or violent demonstration to "make their point".
Many of the Capitol rioters made no attempt to cover their faces, truly an indication that they believed they were "saving America" from whatever they thought was wrong, or what someone else told them (not necessarily Trump).
The invasion of the physical body is the solution. Once the injection is completed, whatever the PTB want to have concocted for whatever purpose, is inside your body and there's nothing you can do about it. Follow-up injections will consolidate whatever the agenda is. At a later date, those injections may be deliberately fatal, or render the recipient unable to resist a Court ruling of psychiatric intervention, thereby losing all their rights (as has always been) and under the control of the ghouls who like to experiment on humans.
If you think that's fantasy, then examine MKUltra and see how extensive it was, even that which is known. 80 universities involved, knowingly or not, front companies set up by those thugs the CIA, people transported to other countries for extensive experimentation, even in America (shock ! horror!) the land of freedom and democracy. Other unauthorized experiments even since the 19th century are well-known now, some of the info directly from files derived from the Black Vault. Even then, many files have much redaction in them, but they reveal hundreds of thousands of men, women and children involved in "civil" and military experiments in the US over the years.
Re virus, it is noted that the nature of virus and germs etc was freely debated in the latter half of the 19th century, and the early part of the 20th. Right up until the Third Reich. The Nazi regime put a halt to all that and since then, the status quo rules, backed by Big Pharma, and The Establishment (read PTB).
As the article states “The infection theories were only established as a global dogma through the concrete policies and eugenics of the Third Reich. Before 1933, scientists dared to contradict this theory; after 1933, these critical scientists were silenced.”
I've often written about the influence on Eugenics that America had on the Nazis. They of course carried it to its terrible but logical conclusion, but at the same time, the sheer amount of experimentation on members of The People (in this case prisoners or 'inferior racial types') that the Nazis performed provided the grounding for space medicine (for example) under Hubertus Strughold, straight out of the Dachau concentration camp.
Remembering that after WW2, America spirited around 1800 Nazis from Germany under Operation Paperclip (with help at times from the British secret services) to the US, it would be obvious that not all of them were rocket scientists like von Braun (himself a war criminal) but various doctors of medicine as well. So in a sense, America was welcoming back "home" that what it had wrought decades before.
The way ahead is globally open with the clamour for vaccines to stem the spread of a virus which is disputed not only on Sierra, but in publications of note. I've already asserted that I won't be willingly getting any vaccine, given my own experience with two instances of flu vaccine over the last 20+ years of otherwise flu-free existence.
The reasons for that is because I'm not sure the vaccines will be safe (for me), that they will be genuinely beneficial, and most importantly, their contents will either be unknown by the medical people promoting them, or they are known but will not be revealed for some underlying purpose. We've also had horrifying experimentation here in this supposedly "clean and green" country, most of the People not wanting to know about it, or caring. Until it happens to them or members of their own family.
Given what has happened in the past in our countries (US and NZ) I'm firmly of the opinion that it is wise to believe in the possibility of the 'unbelievable', when it comes to vaccinations.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 31, 2021 0:01:23 GMT
Mostly agree except:
Dr Stefan Lanka is a virologist. He likely has a clue.
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