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Post by brothersteve on Jan 26, 2021 16:26:44 GMT
BigBruv,
Just saw news that Biden now upping vaccines to the tune of 1.5M/day (maybe his aides read our forum?). Apparently the nameless/faceless folks 'pulling his strings' demand faster actions be driven toward the goal.
Here in NY, Cuomo pushing for minorities to get it in the name of 'equality' before he gets it (how nice of him!). No mention if his brother Chris will get it, so that seems to be a 'no' as well.
My mom (86 in April) says won't get it. She never got a flu shot and has health issues. Dad (87 in March) has some health issues and gets the flu shot and says may get this one. Current estimate is that could be a few months away, but that seems to be changing daily.
I wonder what will happen if, after all the vaccines are given AND all those who got the virus and got better, nothing changes and the dreaded virus keeps lingering into different variants (mutations)? More vaccines, like they do with the flu each year trying to predict which strain will be most out there? Since the beginning of this I heard about 'vaccine cards' for people to show (sounds like the ones the Nazi's used with the IBM machines) to go to work, school etc.. Just key punch all the shots onto a card to show your status.
It disturbs me greatly to see humanity being 'used', but apparently there is no time in this 'game' to do otherwise (like a high pressure sales tactic). Hopefully, it all works out. I really can't imagine the conspiracy folks being right about culling the population with this.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 26, 2021 16:48:58 GMT
Suggestions for study: Dr Stefan Lanka (history of medical scam starting aroud 1000 A.D.) Dr Andrew Kaufman Germ Theory vs Terrain Theory This video may help: www.bitchute.com/video/wN7zoUCrYBDd/
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 26, 2021 17:37:11 GMT
I understand it is not alive and cannot be 'caught'. To me, in simple terms, COVID is like allergies. I'm allergic to cat dander and MY body reacts to it via runny nose, itchy eyes, sneezing, etc. Some folks have allergy related asthma and cannot breathe they react so much to it. I get it, BUT what is the 'dander' in the COVID equation? That answer would help humanity, and it will likely never be found. Humanity is a greedy evil lot and we are doomed. Cull the populace and make $ doing it. Can't get away from all the 'crap' around us like wifi, towers, plastic is food and water, polluted air, etc. Nutrition and supplements are the only way. I understand it is not alive and cannot be 'caught'. To me, in simple terms, COVID is like allergies. I'm allergic to cat dander and MY body reacts (no nutrition/supplement plan can stop the reaction) to it via runny nose, itchy eyes, sneezing, etc. Some folks have allergy related asthma and cannot breathe they react so much to it and could die. I get it, BUT what is the 'dander' in the COVID equation? That answer would help humanity, and it will likely never be found. Born in 1966 and outside regularly since, I never saw things like this until George W Bush became POTUS. When we rarely see blue skies here, I ALWAYS see this happen: Side note: I see Dr. Andrew Kaufman is close to me here in Central NY.
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Post by macky on Jan 26, 2021 19:21:02 GMT
I don't blame you mikey for not wanting to go around the loop again.
But at the last, with all the scientific info, assertions, different views of medical professionals, speculations, conspiracy theories etc, the anecdotal but glaring results of lockdowns, isolations, mask wearing, distancing, cleaning of surfaces, washing hands, contact tracing, testing has resulted in about 2200 "cases" in NZ with 25 deaths attributed to Covid 19, so far.
None of the above measures are 100% foolproof, but collectively those measures ensured a summer this year of people in crowded spaces without wearing of masks (e.g. along the foreshores of Auckland during the America's Cup) freely mixing and with no new cases except for the odd one coming in from overseas (and going into 14 day isolation procedure, testing etc), while many countries were going back into lockdown.
In addition, the "usual" flu's last year were almost non-existent in NZ, the measures taken against "Covid 19" obviously also effective against known strains of a viral infectious disease that is also known to be spread by airborne means, among others.
In other words, the efforts to contain and treat Covid 19 had the same results on the usual yearly flu strains that are routinely caught by many.
And all the doctors and researchers that maintain alternative explanations for what is happening around the world via their own research and medical histories do not seem to be backed up by a raft of essentially non-scientific measures that have had demonstrably excellent results on a bulk population of a country that "went early and went hard" to contain an obviously infectious affliction that has promoted the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people who would most likely have still been alive had this plague been contained and notified in a timely manner, something neither China, the WHO, or America did, for three.
The arguments about what Covid 19 is, and how it spreads can go on forever, but NZ is a good example of what can be done to combat the problem. Not perfect, but much better than other countries.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 26, 2021 21:48:56 GMT
...... The arguments about what Covid 19 is, and how it spreads can go on forever, but NZ is a good example of what can be done to combat the problem. "the problem"? What problem? The major problem regarding the fake flu pandemic fantasy is propaganda from the lying BS MSM and that they ignore historical truths about fraud - like Pasteur - and scientific facts - like no such thing as a contagious virus. If they told the truth, there would have been nothing, zero, zip, nada, crickets, about the flu or vaccines or any of the other BS that accompanied the follow-on events.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 27, 2021 0:45:13 GMT
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Post by MBS on Jan 27, 2021 1:19:31 GMT
“The microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything.”
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Post by Magnus on Jan 27, 2021 4:54:33 GMT
I can picture Bruv as he reads the article...
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Post by macky on Jan 27, 2021 5:44:36 GMT
...... The arguments about what Covid 19 is, and how it spreads can go on forever, but NZ is a good example of what can be done to combat the problem. "the problem"? What problem? The major problem regarding the fake flu pandemic fantasy is propaganda from the lying BS MSM and that they ignore historical truths about fraud - like Pasteur - and scientific facts - like no such thing as a contagious virus. If they told the truth, there would have been nothing, zero, zip, nada, crickets, about the flu or vaccines or any of the other BS that accompanied the follow-on events. Whatever the problem is that's making people sick, with many dying, of course. The measures taken in NZ are obviously much better than Sweden for example. Sweden Pop. 10m 550k infections, 11k deaths. NZ Pop. 5m 2.2k infections, 25 deaths. Doesn't that serve up a blinding contrast of measures taken/not taken, no matter what the fraud or neo-science continues to tell everybody ? You can forget the science essentially. Most people wouldn't understand it anyway. Give the People some simple precautions to follow, go early and there you are. What more proof is needed despite "Dr. Snodgrass sez..." etc ? You've said it yourself. Every year flu takes away more than the Covid (at the time you said it). So what the hell is the flu then ? It's a viral infection isn't it ? And one of the ways it can be caught is through the air. If the flu can't be caught at all, then how come there's hardly any flu infection in NZ last year ? The lockdowns etc proved effective to stop even that. And if you still maintain that viruses can't be caught via surfaces, coughing, sneezing, touching etc, then how come millions of people every year have suffered from flu, many terminally ? How did they all catch it ? Millions of transfusions and vaccinations that weren't there ?
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Post by macky on Jan 27, 2021 5:55:35 GMT
"Vaccine manufacturer Merck has abandoned development of two coronavirus vaccines, saying that after extensive research it was concluded that the shots offered less protection than just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies." What they are really saying is that "We didn't beat our competitors in time to put a vaccine out on the market with its enormous profits, so we're adopting the view that herd immunity is the GO."
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 27, 2021 9:06:28 GMT
"the problem"? What problem? The major problem regarding the fake flu pandemic fantasy is propaganda from the lying BS MSM and that they ignore historical truths about fraud - like Pasteur - and scientific facts - like no such thing as a contagious virus. If they told the truth, there would have been nothing, zero, zip, nada, crickets, about the flu or vaccines or any of the other BS that accompanied the follow-on events. Whatever the problem is that's making people sick, with many dying, of course. The measures taken in NZ are obviously much better than Sweden for example. Sweden Pop. 10m 550k infections, 11k deaths. NZ Pop. 5m 2.2k infections, 25 deaths. Doesn't that serve up a blinding contrast of measures taken/not taken, no matter what the fraud or neo-science continues to tell everybody ? (1)You can forget the science essentially. Most people wouldn't understand it anyway. Give the People some simple precautions to follow, go early and there you are. What more proof is needed despite "Dr. Snodgrass sez..." etc ? You've said it yourself. Every year flu takes away more than the Covid (at the time you said it). So what the hell is the flu then ? It's a viral infection isn't it ? And one of the ways it can be caught is through the air. (2)If the flu can't be caught at all, then how come there's hardly any flu infection in NZ last year ? The lockdowns etc proved effective to stop even that. (3)And if you still maintain that viruses can't be caught via surfaces, coughing, sneezing, touching etc, then how come millions of people every year have suffered from flu, many terminally ? How did they all catch it ? Millions of transfusions and vaccinations that weren't there ? (4)1. Causation unproven. This is your assumption. 2. Causation unproven. This is your assumption. 3. Causation unproven. This is your assumption. 4. Causation unproven. This is your assumption. None of what you say there has had any evaluation with the scientific method. It's just conjecture. Like saying that umbrellas cause rain since they're always open when it's raining. Show proof or prove that a contagious virus exists using the scientific method. That has never been done. Indeed, it is impossible to prove the existence of a virus that is contagious and harmful by any means other than injection or transfusion, breaching the skin with a needle. I don't know what you're referring to, but I knew no science about flu or virus at the beginning of last year and originally had no interest in learning. You may have noticed that I learned as time passed. I didn't just give up, take the MSM BS narrative and wallow in the confusion and fear like so many have, only to remain in their ignorance. Pleased focus on the current conversation, thanks.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 27, 2021 9:19:01 GMT
Whatever the problem is that's making people sick, with many dying, of course. The measures taken in NZ are obviously much better than Sweden for example. Sweden Pop. 10m 550k infections, 11k deaths. NZ Pop. 5m 2.2k infections, 25 deaths. Doesn't that serve up a blinding contrast of measures taken/not taken, no matter what the fraud or neo-science continues to tell everybody ? Let's assume for argument's sake that the virus is spread by close contact with infected people. Corona viruses are more active during flu season. Sweden had a large number of it's residents returning from skiing trips in northern Italy where the virus was already spreading quickly. Also this was still flu season. NZ didn't have loads of travellers coming in from northern Italy and wasn't in flu season. If the virus had started somewhere in the southern hemisphere during flu season it would have been a totally different story for NZ and Australia and the northern hemisphere would have had the chance to be better prepared come flu season.
Most people don't know that there wasn't such a thing as a national lockdown until Italy did it. By that time the virus was already spreading quickly around Italy and much of western Europe so the lockdowns and border closures achieved nothing in most places. If border closures were going to work they would have had to have been closed about a month earlier but is everyone going to close their borders every time a new virus appears in Asia? Another thing that most people don't seem to know is that countries already had pandemic plans before 2020. Unfortunately most of Europe just threw theirs away in a panic very early on and have been making it up as they go along ever since. I read the UK's coronavirus pandemic plan. It was written in early March. It was their 2019 flu pandemic plan with notes on covid-19 added. They forecast 200000 deaths in the UK. It didn't include a plan to lockdown the entire county. It does say to keep the borders open if the virus is already spreading through the community and to just get on and deal with the sick. The virus was already spreading through the community in March in Sweden, UK, Spain etc.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 27, 2021 9:20:20 GMT
BigBruv, Just saw news that Biden now upping vaccines to the tune of 1.5M/day (maybe his aides read our forum?). (rofl) Yeah, good idea to let other people test it out first.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 27, 2021 17:58:45 GMT
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Post by macky on Jan 27, 2021 19:54:25 GMT
Corona viruses are more active during flu season. Sweden had a large number of it's residents returning from skiing trips in northern Italy where the virus was already spreading quickly. Also this was still flu season. NZ didn't have loads of travellers coming in from northern Italy and wasn't in flu season. If the virus had started somewhere in the southern hemisphere during flu season it would have been a totally different story for NZ and Australia and the northern hemisphere would have had the chance to be better prepared come flu season.
Most people don't know that there wasn't such a thing as a national lockdown until Italy did it. By that time the virus was already spreading quickly around Italy and much of western Europe so the lockdowns and border closures achieved nothing in most places. If border closures were going to work they would have had to have been closed about a month earlier but is everyone going to close their borders every time a new virus appears in Asia? Another thing that most people don't seem to know is that countries already had pandemic plans before 2020. Unfortunately most of Europe just threw theirs away in a panic very early on and have been making it up as they go along ever since. I read the UK's coronavirus pandemic plan. It was written in early March. It was their 2019 flu pandemic plan with notes on covid-19 added. They forecast 200000 deaths in the UK. It didn't include a plan to lockdown the entire county. It does say to keep the borders open if the virus is already spreading through the community and to just get on and deal with the sick. The virus was already spreading through the community in March in Sweden, UK, Spain etc.
"Corona viruses are more active during flu season." So what does that imply, re Covid 19 ? " NZ didn't have loads of travellers coming in from northern Italy and wasn't in flu season." Given that the spread of Covid 19 didn't pay much attention to whether it was flu season or not, why is that any consideration ? Btw, arrivals to NZ just prior to March lockdown were in the tens of thousands, and there were thousands more during the lockdown. As can be readily determined from the stats., NZ's responses to Covid 19 were early, resolute, and effective. " Unfortunately most of Europe just threw theirs (pandemic plans) away in a panic very early on and have been making it up as they go along ever since." Exactly. NZ didn't, and the results speak for themselves. "If the virus had started somewhere in the southern hemisphere during flu season it would have been a totally different story for NZ and Australia." In fact, China is closer to Australia and NZ than Europe, so the "southern hemisphere" point is irrelevant. And lumping in Australia with NZ is also not valid. NZ's response was already coming under fire from some Oz commentators and politicians. They have remained silent lately, as Oz state borders closures continue. "... totally different story for NZ and Australia and the northern hemisphere would have had the chance to be better prepared come flu season. " That's pure speculation because it didn't happen, and you've already mentioned pandemic plans in the northern hemisphere that were not followed. Given the rapid spread of the virus, would an extra few weeks (at the most) have brought any changes, given that Sweden (as an extreme example) seemed to follow the "herd immunity" plan in the first place ? Something that even some doctors have advocated over the last year.
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