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Post by zenqsavant on Jul 12, 2020 9:06:40 GMT
Has anyone noticed improvement in stamina or endurance from KSHD type routines..I was talking to a guy the other day who was in a street fight..said he got suckered punched by a second person..koed the first guy..but said he was gassed quickly..which goes in my thinking of how important stamina is
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jul 12, 2020 14:06:28 GMT
He probably panicked and that's why he was out of breath so quickly. I've not been in many fights but the times I have I don't think I've ever been out of breath and I guess it's because I've always felt sort of in control. It certainly isn't because I'm very fit.
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Post by zenqsavant on Jul 12, 2020 14:22:08 GMT
That makes sense as well...I had sold him a boxing bag..due to his incident..he said he was out of shape..but your correct pace and being in control is a factor as well..I guess im also curious as Iv had a incident that almost culminated in a scuffle..and after the fact I came to some conclusions of whats most important for all around preparedness...I really like KSHD..and have used them extensivly off and on...but question there funcitionality for street combat
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Post by zenqsavant on Jul 12, 2020 14:23:52 GMT
That being stamina is like gold over pure strength any day..not saying strength and other attributes arent of value...but once your gasses ur dead meat
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Post by pierinifitness on Jul 12, 2020 14:51:56 GMT
Tell your friend to do burpees, stamina issue will be solved.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 12, 2020 15:01:44 GMT
Enhance your calm, citizen.
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Post by Michael on Jul 12, 2020 15:18:23 GMT
, Dave love Your honesty.
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Post by zenqsavant on Jul 12, 2020 16:32:47 GMT
Well hes not a friend just a customer..that reminded me the importance of stamina and endurance..thanks for the insight
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 12, 2020 19:37:59 GMT
I once practiced KSHD exclusively for a straight year and a half, and I can tell you that it does little to burn calories or to increase stamina. You gotta include some sort of cardio routine along with KSHD.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jul 12, 2020 19:49:35 GMT
There is also a biochemical process that happens in violent street encounters that is very similar (I'm trying to keep the explanation short) to the rush you get from sugar and the sudden energy crash that follows, but instead of sugar, the crash comes from the adrenaline the body produces and the after effect of it wearing off. That crash also causes tunnel vision which is something that sucker punch artists look for. The system that I had to qualify on to become certified by my state to teach law enforcement officers control and defensive tactics always specified that when you had to hit another person, do it with the most force you could the first time and get things under control as fast as possible because physical conditioning was not going to defeat a natural human biochemical process. Street level encounters I had personally while on the job confirmed that. I used to teach that it's actually more important for after the encounter survival because we obviously do not want an officer having a cardiac trauma post incident. Best thing to do if you are not being paid to deal with things like this are to avoid getting in them and stay out of the places that spawn them.
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Post by moxohol on Jul 14, 2020 13:16:36 GMT
That being stamina is like gold over pure strength any day..not saying strength and other attributes arent of value...but once your gasses ur dead meat Rocky Marciano was a fanatic about his conditioning in his prime. It was the 1 attribute he cultivated above all else & it showed. Rocky didn't have the technical finesse as his many of his opponents did but he had tenacity & gas out the wazoo. Aerobic capacity instills resiliency & enhances recovery ability. Rocky got clocked good a few times but he ate the shots & bounced back. I think PHA training or Longstrength Medleys are great for General Preparedness Phases. After that it's all about agility & developing motor skills in ur respective goal or sport.
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Post by moxohol on Jul 14, 2020 13:20:24 GMT
There is also a biochemical process that happens in violent street encounters that is very similar (I'm trying to keep the explanation short) to the rush you get from sugar and the sudden energy crash that follows, but instead of sugar, the crash comes from the adrenaline the body produces and the after effect of it wearing off. That crash also causes tunnel vision which is something that sucker punch artists look for. The system that I had to qualify on to become certified by my state to teach law enforcement officers control and defensive tactics always specified that when you had to hit another person, do it with the most force you could the first time and get things under control as fast as possible because physical conditioning was not going to defeat a natural human biochemical process. Street level encounters I had personally while on the job confirmed that. I used to teach that it's actually more important for after the encounter survival because we obviously do not want an officer having a cardiac trauma post incident. Best thing to do if you are not being paid to deal with things like this are to avoid getting in them and stay out of the places that spawn them. Degradation of fine motor skills to gross motor skills. Is that the thrust here?
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Post by pierinifitness on Jul 14, 2020 14:21:55 GMT
Well I'm not a Rocky Marciano but like him, my cardiovascular-respiratory training leads the pack in my fitness pursuits. What I've learned is that, just like a runner, it's good to mix and match this training. Runners, for example, will do long and slow runs, intervals and speed work. This, of course, depends on the runner's distance events. The long and slow runs build a solid base from which the faster workouts are done with good results. I think the same is true for other cardiovascular-conditioning training workouts.
For example, burpees are one of my staple workouts and I have a goal of completing 100 burpees in a certain time. My long and slow workouts are doing, for example, 5 burpees every minute on the minute and then walking for the remaining time interval. I've done this workout for as long as 60 minutes. Doing other versions with medium duration and higher intensity are also done. Finally, I've done a Tabata and Sprint 8 version of a burpees workout, again, much like how a runner approaches his training. In fact, I got my idea to train this way after reflecting about how runners train and from my own training experiences with running and preparing for fun runs, like a 10k run.
Even though, someone may not need to go an hour in a fight, training to build a base actually helps the shorter duration encounters than might come up. Of course, speed work is necessary to simulate a real encounter.
My two cents and I'm sticking to it.
Postscript: With regard to the SHSD question, it'll help with your conditioning about the same amount as chewing gun.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jul 14, 2020 20:22:03 GMT
There is also a biochemical process that happens in violent street encounters that is very similar (I'm trying to keep the explanation short) to the rush you get from sugar and the sudden energy crash that follows, but instead of sugar, the crash comes from the adrenaline the body produces and the after effect of it wearing off. That crash also causes tunnel vision which is something that sucker punch artists look for. The system that I had to qualify on to become certified by my state to teach law enforcement officers control and defensive tactics always specified that when you had to hit another person, do it with the most force you could the first time and get things under control as fast as possible because physical conditioning was not going to defeat a natural human biochemical process. Street level encounters I had personally while on the job confirmed that. I used to teach that it's actually more important for after the encounter survival because we obviously do not want an officer having a cardiac trauma post incident. Best thing to do if you are not being paid to deal with things like this are to avoid getting in them and stay out of the places that spawn them. Degradation of fine motor skills to gross motor skills. Is that the thrust here? Degradation of fine motor skills are effected at the very beginning of a sudden violent encounter. That's why we taught a very limited number (like two) of gross motor blocks and counters. Both because fine motor skills degrade and the less choices of what to do the brain has to make in a sudden situation, the better. The effect from the biochemical process happens after the adrenaline dump and is a feeling (trust me) of immense fatigue. All the 1.5 mile run standards any law enforcement agency wants to impose on its members has very little effect on that.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jul 14, 2020 21:13:15 GMT
Hmmmmm ? In everything I was ever involved with in the street or investigated after the fact, the referee and timekeeper always seemed to be in hiding and the corrnerman always showed up well after the fact.
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