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Post by jonrock on Mar 12, 2023 17:15:20 GMT
You are welcome, teacup. The various angles issue might be interesting, I did (and still do) experiment with it for pure short isos, but not with longer holds. The best way to do it would be ala Justa, with an isometric rack device with lots of handles in many angles, but I have not tried it. What is yogametrics, perhaps similar to yielding isometrics?
The famous isokonetic device looks very good but is very pricey, I would like to own one.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 12, 2023 17:32:31 GMT
You are welcome, teacup. The various angles issue might be interesting, I did (and still do) experiment with it for pure short isos, but not with longer holds. The best way to do it would be ala Justa, with an isometric rack device with lots of handles in many angles, but I have not tried it.What is yogametrics, perhaps similar to yielding isometrics? The famous isokonetic device looks very good but is very pricey, I would like to own one. This makes sense to me, but I've not experimented with it long enough to know how it would work for me. Pete Wagner said to " hold weights" (or resistance) "in STRONG positions" ..... i.e. positions where the resistance is least tiring, which is, in general, stretched position. An example of this would be when carrying like a normal human would, a person doesn't TRY to make it more taxing or difficult since -whatever- may need to be carried for a distance, so it is held in strong position(s) - sometimes changing hands or manner of carry to rest tired or aching connective tissue. However, living normal life, I would associate explosive, jerk-type movements to usually be more of a reflexive movement and could need to happen in any direction/angle. This is just me thinking though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 12, 2023 17:35:18 GMT
Do you have anything to report on this, jonrock? Why didn't any of you Isokinator guys answer "new here" bruce about exercise variety? No, I stopped doing isos with springs as stated in my recent messages.Bruce disappeared faster than benny's tantrums arise, so...bye. Sorry, m8, I missed that memo.
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Post by teacup on Mar 12, 2023 17:59:20 GMT
Hi jonrock ,
Yogametrics are the term used by Frank Rudolph Young for what are in essence powerflexes or peak contraction isometrics, a bit like Maxalding. The difference is in the angle e.g. he called this one the Biceps Bulge, you put your hands behind your head, elbows up and twist the wrist to squeeze the biceps hard. I’m probably not doing it justice…
The Steve Justa method is great, I tried that for about 4 months as self resistance 2-3 second burst isometrics for 20 or so reps, loads of sets. It gives a really energetic feeling.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 12, 2023 18:29:32 GMT
A hand friendly thick rope( my is 1.25" thick) that is either high or low anchored allows one to quickly and conveniently perform a variety of pushes and pulls . The tug o' war is my favorite .
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Post by brothersteve on Mar 12, 2023 20:45:25 GMT
Hi jonrock , Yogametrics are the term used by Frank Rudolph Young for what are in essence powerflexes or peak contraction isometrics, a bit like Maxalding. The difference is in the angle e.g. he called this one the Biceps Bulge, you put your hands behind your head, elbows up and twist the wrist to squeeze the biceps hard. I’m probably not doing it justice… The Steve Justa method is great, I tried that for about 4 months as self resistance 2-3 second burst isometrics for 20 or so reps, loads of sets. It gives a really energetic feeling. ...like Body Tone or Dynaflex. I've done these a lot. Don't hold your breathe. I hold for 6 seconds. Doing too many days in a row hits my central nervous system. I've been doing these about 5 days a week not in a row (M, T, W, F, S) and the next week doing isotonics with the Bullworker. I like the feeling of a contracted as much as possible muscle for some time.
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Post by jonrock on Mar 12, 2023 21:48:01 GMT
No, I stopped doing isos with springs as stated in my recent messages.Bruce disappeared faster than benny's tantrums arise, so...bye. Sorry, m8, I missed that memo. No problem. To sum it up, the use of springs was a bit too hard on my lower back and shoulders to do indefinetely.
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Post by teacup on Mar 13, 2023 17:08:56 GMT
Hi brothersteve,
Yes they are in a similar vein. I suppose the various authors “borrowed “ from each other one way or another.
I find it’s better for me to work 2-3 second “bursts” so I can maintain higher tension. You are quite right on the breathing issue of course, I think there is a place for breath holds in controlled methods of training but not for regular isometric training.
I agree, it’s the CNS that limits isometric training energy/recovery far more than muscle fatigue.
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Post by brothersteve on Mar 13, 2023 20:26:42 GMT
Teacup - I totally agree. These guys were in business to sell courses and did not show much of themselves if at all.
"I find it’s better for me to work 2-3 second “bursts” so I can maintain higher tension." I found the same. For me to get best results, seems I need to contract as hard as possible right from the start and end the contraction while still contracting maximally which means a shorter hold time. It seemed when I start low and ramped up to full contraction and then held it for long time it degraded strength (obviously) but by ending at a lower contraction that I lost strength.
He's got some other good vids for BW, bands, etc and seems to make sense. I never take a full weeks rest. A 4 day layoff max is enough for me to feel rarin' to go again.
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Post by brothersteve on Mar 13, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
Also, from memory...EDIT and from Big Bruv who put it best (IMO).."...Hettinger and Muller did studies on isometrics and came to the conclusion that isometrics performed at 66% of maximum effort for 6 seconds per exercise, per day was all that was required to add strength. They also found that two second holds at 100% effort would build strength. In other words the harder you contract the muscles, the less time the holds should be. What has happened though is that people are doing maximum contractions for 7 seconds or longer and that is not what Hettinger and Muller were advocating and neither do any of the bullworker manuals."
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Mar 14, 2023 7:15:45 GMT
Also, from memory...Hettinger and Muller did studies on isometrics and came to the conclusion that isometrics performed at 66% of maximum effort for 6 seconds per exercise, per day was all that was required to add strength. They also found that two second holds at 100% effort would build strength. In other words the harder you contract the muscles, the less time the holds should be. What has happened though is that people are doing maximum contractions for 7 seconds or longer and that is not what Hettinger and Muller were advocating and neither do any of the bullworker manuals. Part of that is a post I made on one of the bullworker vids on Youtube, you plagiarizing scoundrel! Hey friends, say goodbye to serial plagiarizer, John Peterson. Oops! I mean brothersteve.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Mar 14, 2023 7:18:32 GMT
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 14, 2023 12:34:29 GMT
Isometrics as medicine : even if my practice of high volume Isometrics doesn't cure me, my perverted view of fun enables me to enjoy the daily grind .
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Post by brothersteve on Mar 14, 2023 13:48:56 GMT
Also, from memory...Hettinger and Muller did studies on isometrics and came to the conclusion that isometrics performed at 66% of maximum effort for 6 seconds per exercise, per day was all that was required to add strength. They also found that two second holds at 100% effort would build strength. In other words the harder you contract the muscles, the less time the holds should be. What has happened though is that people are doing maximum contractions for 7 seconds or longer and that is not what Hettinger and Muller were advocating and neither do any of the bullworker manuals. Part of that is a post I made on one of the bullworker vids on Youtube, you plagiarizing scoundrel! Hey friends, say goodbye to serial plagiarizer, John Peterson. Oops! I mean brothersteve. Actually, I stole it from a commenter (maybe you were that guy) on a youtube video who said it perfectly, but I do have the book somewhere. I will correct it. EDIT...Looking back YOU were the guy who posted in the comments only 3 days ago! Sorry m8., won't happen again.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 14, 2023 14:26:23 GMT
It's often repeated that all work and no plagiarism results in dull threads
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