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Post by macky on Aug 18, 2020 23:02:00 GMT
I'm sorry. I've re-read this several times, but not sure I understand what you're asking, nor that I have seen or heard anything that would give a clue to an answer. Sorry I'll try to be more clear. Covid 19 is a new corona virus, of a large family of coronaviruses that cause the common cold, for example, as we know. What then is a positive test actually picking up (as against a negative test), given your assertion that Covid 19 tests are meaningless ?
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Post by chanduthemagician on Aug 19, 2020 1:46:40 GMT
There's been a Chinese scientist defector who is asserting the virus was laboratory manufactured. And a Trump interview by an Australian journalist on Covid 19 seems to have gone viral itself, with Trump burbling on incomprehensibly. No surprises there. The guy at Peak Prosperity on Youtube broke down the virus genetically and showed how it statistically had to have altered as it genetic material it couldn't ever be expected to have present via any sort of normal mutation. Couple that with how utterly effective this is, I would say it came out of a lab. Whose and who was running the research there is a good question. I'm pretty sure it came out earlier than anyone wanted. One thing to the survivability rate is high. But... people think because of that, no problem, I'll get it, get over it and life goes on. My cousin is a nurse and the biggest group she sees is the 18-25 year old bar crowd. They get it and get over it, but some have lung or heart damage that they get to keep for the rest of their lives as a consolation prize.
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Post by macky on Aug 19, 2020 6:22:10 GMT
Yes that's been my underlying thought all along, that Covid 19 came out of a lab in China. Without any evidence I could only say it was speculation, nothing more.
Certain it is, that if it's true, then China has won a great battle without firing a shot. It has spread biological warfare globally, and has greatly damaged its primary opponent, the US via its own efforts, WHO collusion, and the Trump admin utter failure to confront the problem effectively and decisively. The mis-information coming from Trump is being refuted almost weekly, with stories of hospital staff unable to wear masks, long delays in presenting results of tests etc. Sharon Stone is up in the news talking about her family's experiences, two of whom have died, and another two seriously ill. I'm sure she is not an exception, the sad story is probably being repeated over and over again as we speak, by many others.
Re the "recovered" status of Covid 19 patients, I am seeing more and more information and personal accounts on the Net, of permanent damage from Covid 19 sickness, some are doctors as well.
That has provided impetus to my assertions that not only death stats are important, but numbers of cases, as well. Even if some of the American stats are questionable, (which would be no surprise), there would still be a sizable percentage of Covid 19 cases, and the US numbers are frankly quite shocking.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 11:06:43 GMT
I'm sorry. I've re-read this several times, but not sure I understand what you're asking, nor that I have seen or heard anything that would give a clue to an answer. Sorry I'll try to be more clear. Covid 19 is a new corona virus, of a large family of coronaviruses that cause the common cold, for example, as we know. What then is a positive test actually picking up (as against a negative test), given your assertion that Covid 19 tests are meaningless ? There is more than one factor that makes the test meaningless. How the sample is taken, when it is taken (is there inflammation anywhere - even fear can elevate exosome production. Elevating coronavirus (exosome) production is necessary for the test to find enough of the RNA that it needs to amplify in order to register as a positive), what is done with the sample and that the test is impartial to what the coronavirus (exosomes) are responding to and impartial to any particular coronavirus (exosome) due to lack of available data on its specific identity - all of these uncertainties and maybe more render the test meaningless. This is the way I understand what those doctors I've listed earlier in this thread are saying.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 14:18:15 GMT
"I would say it came out of a lab." "that Covid 19 came out of a lab in China."
Or, as Dr Kaufman speculates, from the Wuhan wet market or possibly the influence of 5G. No one knows and therefore no test exists at all for that actual toxic insult that initiates the immune system to respond with a virus to 'attack' the insult. Until they know what the actual toxin is, they can't design a test specifically for it. That's another reason the test is irrelevant. They don't have any idea what the toxin/insult actually is and that's why they are testing to try to find the agents in the immune system that react to it, which they call "virus", an agent in our immune system function, also known as exosomes.
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Post by macky on Aug 19, 2020 23:13:15 GMT
So with your research (which I think is very commendable, by the way) can we say that because of what you've posted is the real reason why a viable vaccine has not been formulated yet ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 20, 2020 3:00:23 GMT
Thanks. Actually, it's not difficult. I just follow up on interesting mentions in articles or videos.
I can not say that the information I posted has any influence on the vaccine situation, but then I don't pay any attention to the vaccines anyway. That's a topic all its own to me. Why do you ask? Do you think that info would affect the release of a vaccine? How?
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Post by macky on Aug 20, 2020 4:22:05 GMT
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I take it from your info and research is that Covid 19 testing is unreliable (due to the medical reasons given). So if the tests cannot reliably identify Covid 19 on a "suspect" etc, then it seems to me to be a good reason why a viable vaccine has not made its appearance yet ? Or, "they" simply cannot make a vaccine for something which either doesn't exist, or the procedures themselves that supposedly identified the new virus were never meant to be used for testing www.globalresearch.ca/national-security-alert-covid-tests-scientifically-fraudulent-epidemic-false-positives/5720271So given that the figures re Covid 19 cases are likely exaggerated, what then is making people sick, scarred afterwards, or deceased ?
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Aug 20, 2020 8:04:09 GMT
So given that the figures re Covid 19 cases are likely exaggerated, what then is making people sick, scarred afterwards, or deceased ? I believe the term used is life. The cycle has existed for quite some time and has many variations.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 20, 2020 11:12:04 GMT
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I take it from your info and research is that Covid 19 testing is unreliable (due to the medical reasons given). So if the tests cannot reliably identify Covid 19 on a "suspect" etc, then it seems to me to be a good reason why a viable vaccine has not made its appearance yet ? Or, "they" simply cannot make a vaccine for something which either doesn't exist, or the procedures themselves that supposedly identified the new virus were never meant to be used for testing www.globalresearch.ca/national-security-alert-covid-tests-scientifically-fraudulent-epidemic-false-positives/5720271So given that the figures re Covid 19 cases are likely exaggerated, what then is making people sick, scarred afterwards, or deceased ? Thanks for that link. On first read thru, looks like a good summation of the situation. I'm guessing that CV is hoped to be the excuse for habitual future vaccination$$ and that production of vaccine$$ has little to no relationship to an intention of helping humans.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 20, 2020 21:37:26 GMT
Also, as everyone is probably aware by now, Trump was spot on about Hydroxychloroquine. Turns out it was used during the SARS CoV (1) fifteen years ago as both a prophylactic and a treatment and is being used along with zinc by thousands of doctors now. It's been an FDA approved drug for over 60 years with well known positive effect against Malaria, another upper respiratory disease. It's very inexpensive and used daily by people with certain chronic conditions, like Lupus. The doctors that have been using it with zinc during the current flu scare report 100% successful recovery when administered early in the symptoms and even beneficial later into the sickness and I've heard them say that they take it themselves as a prophylactic. Why would we need a vaccine for the flu if HCQ can handle it just fine?
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Post by macky on Aug 20, 2020 23:55:24 GMT
Also, as everyone is probably aware by now, Trump was spot on about Hydroxychloroquine. Turns out it was used during the SARS CoV (1) fifteen years ago as both a prophylactic and a treatment and is being used along with zinc by thousands of doctors now. It's been an FDA approved drug for over 60 years with well known positive effect against Malaria, another upper respiratory disease. It's very inexpensive and used daily by people with certain chronic conditions, like Lupus. The doctors that have been using it with zinc during the current flu scare report 100% successful recovery when administered early in the symptoms and even beneficial later into the sickness and I've heard them say that they take it themselves as a prophylactic. Why would we need a vaccine for the flu if HCQ can handle it just fine? Then we get back to that question by what was discussed earlier in this thread. 1) Pharmaceutical company profits. There is no doubt that large-money companies control politics, especially in the Land Of The Million-dollar Dream. Not only the USA, of course, but these days often extending into global influence, the interfering of others countries' affairs (long a strategy of that gang of thugs, the CIA, right from their inception in 1947), and extortion of foreign regimes, even those politically opposed to the Western democratic "model". 2) Concerns over control of the People with vaccines, something which I personally believe would be one of the "final straws" in country/world control. Vaccines under the guise of Covid 19 prevention could be varied according to the intended use (including culling of people who have been deemed to be useless or detrimental to the "common good") of whatever the description of said vaccine receiver be. Anybody with doubts about such a possibility only needs to read up on Nazi Germany during the 30's, American and European industrial support for such programs, and the British and American use of Nazi war criminals post WW2 who were anything but rocket scientists. Klaus Barbie for an example. Vaccines provide unique opportunities that other methods of control do not. They are less obvious, being administered by local doctors and nurses along the lines of the "flu jab", something which took me two occasions to realize how dangerous such vaccinations could be. Buildings and other facilities are not needed so much, therefore not alerting local residents to what is really going on. And they are totally invasive, without immediate external signs. Guilt-mongering on those that for one reason or another refuse to be vaccinated almost completes the picture, the last level of control taking place when vaccination become compulsory by law, and/or force. 3) I've not gone into it much at all, but the One World Government question has been on the boil for quite a long time, and a global "catastrophe" such as Covid 19 could have been either deliberately engineered, or a golden opportunity to further an agenda of such proportions. The People are always subsceptible to engineered events that threaten their way of life, which in no way makes them stupid, but simply caring of "their country" and the political structure (the external one) that many of them have fought and died for. It's an age-old strategy, tried and true, and many heroes there are, that fought for something that essentially does not exist in the top echelons of Power, i.e. democracy, law and order, and peace. The lack of true democracy is demonstrated by the US Fed Res being largely unaccountable to Congressional oversight, often dealing with global monetary concerns (the real war) without any knowledge of the very persons who have been elected by the People. It was brought up to me in no uncertain terms during the seven years posting into Skeptoid re several events in modern times such as the TWA800 explosion, Kennedy's assassination, the Russian cosmonaut tragedies, chemtrails and particularly 9-11, that the bulk of the People will readily accept anything their government tells them on the back of a psychologically disturbing event. In the shock of 9-11 for example and the anger and demands from the public for answers as to how such events could happen, the People were wide open to anything the US govt told them, via the media and constant replays of phrases and videos on TV etc. The sight of the huge towers falling, the jumpers (bless them forever), the destruction etc all removed most of the People's conscious guard/censor to the sub-conscious mind, and left them open to all sorts of stories and part-stories which even on the day were being questioned by critical persons long used to keeping their heads in the face of adversity. Those persons (such as the professional pilots trying to expose the fallacy of four light aircraft pilots supposedly flying very large sophisticated aircraft they had never flown before into tiny targets) were undermined (and still are) by one of the biggest folk tales in modern history, drummed into the bulk of the People's minds by repetition, heartfelt tragedy, and herd immunity to a "different perspective" than the one the US govt pipe-lined through the media again and again, even when the story changed, that 19 Islamic terrorists who were named but never identified by DNA managed somehow to defeat US airspace military integrity and fly four common aircraft types (B757 & B767) into small targets at high speed the very first time they were on the flight-decks of such aircraft. That the king-pin for it all was Osama Bin Laden, which clearly showed by its absence on FBI's file on him, that he was not and never was indicted for anything to do with 9-11. That post-hypnotic suggestion still lies in many people's minds long after 9-11 on Skeptoid, a site supposedly for critical analysis and science, but really a front for the US Official Government story, was evident by the total silence after I posted FBI agency files that clearly contradicted the OS, and the following personal attacks that had nothing to do with the arguments. As always, the more a lie is repeated among the The People, the more it becomes "truth", "common knowledge" etc. And the reason (once again as always) for war. Once again, aside from critical and cool heads here on this forum and occasionally elsewhere, it seems that the possibility of the media whipping up fear and frenzy over the "global threat" (global not national this time) could be designed for mass-vaccination, the desperation and dread of the People driving them into gladly offering themselves up for one of the most ultimate controls that can be administered, without overt violence and obvious military takeover. It's a definite possibility, nothing more at this point. Keep watch for the signs.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Aug 22, 2020 7:18:42 GMT
The daily deaths with covid-19 in the USA is not growing exponentially. The states that were hit hard back in April have seen a decline in daily deaths since then. Daily deaths in the USA are less than half of what they were in April. That is the exact opposite of exponential. USA, New York and New Jersey.
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Post by macky on Aug 22, 2020 22:34:10 GMT
Also, as everyone is probably aware by now, Trump was spot on about Hydroxychloroquine. Turns out it was used during the SARS CoV (1) fifteen years ago as both a prophylactic and a treatment and is being used along with zinc by thousands of doctors now. Isn't it strange that Trump's not ranting on about it then ? He's not short of ranting about everything else. Those close to him had tested positive and shown mild symptoms. Isn't that a golden opportunity to show the world that he is right, and add impetus to his constant demands for re-opening schools etc ? Promoting hydroxychloroquine using himself as a shining example with all those "thousands" of doctors raising their hands in support would do Trump's electioneering a lot of good, wouldn't it ? Has Big Pharma silenced him ? And them ? Where's all these "thousands" of doctors using the stuff anyway ? Why aren't they gathering as a solid group like many other concerned professionals do when there are things that need to be said, and brought to the public's attention ? Is everybody gutless ?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Aug 23, 2020 0:32:57 GMT
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