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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 1, 2020 20:21:54 GMT
I don't know, m8.
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Post by macky on Aug 1, 2020 20:33:08 GMT
Okay, so laying aside the speculation re the financial PTB, is the BS narrative regarding Covid 19, the unreliable testing results, number of "positives", the gathering of other/more circumstances of deaths attributed to Covid 19 ONLY in the US, or do the same methods/conclusions/diagnosis etc apply globally ?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Aug 1, 2020 22:50:39 GMT
"So the case number, which you see rising all the time in the news is basically irrelevant. And if you had told us a few months ago, that that was the number that the media was going to go crazy over, we all would have just laughed at that. I mean, that’s essentially herd immunity. There’s lots of people out there who have tested positive without symptoms or with very mild symptoms. So the only number that’s worth paying attention to is mortality." - Dr Simone Gold, MD.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Aug 1, 2020 23:17:14 GMT
From the numbers unless there is full disclosure about testing it's hard to draw meanininful conflusions. If we only know the numbers that test positive without knowing how many tests gave us that many positives, we don't know the rate of infection. Seeing the rate go up or down would be incredibly useful, seeing the number infected may not mean a damn thing. Say today we see 15,000 cases and tomorrow we see 20,000 new cases. One of these scenarios apply and which one matters a lot. 1. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 30,000 tests. Things are getting worse. 2. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 50,000 tests. Things are getting better. 3. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 21,000 tests. Things are getting worse, rapidly. In call cases the headlines just following numbers infected would look worse. Bruv calls out deaths. Actually, simply looking at numbers of death by month compared to the same month last year would be a pretty good method. It removes all the political bullshit. Assuming heart disease, cancer and other things are killing at the same rate as last year, the higher level can probably correctly be attributed to covid. I don't know what country you are in but the UK deaths of all causes are registered on the Office of National Statistics website. I would think that most if not all countries have something similar. There was a very sharp increase in deaths in April in the UK followed by a slow decline in deaths until the beginning of June when weekly deaths were about the 5 year average. For the last 5 weeks or so, weekly deaths have been below the 5 year average. How long that will continue if at all is anybody's guess. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending17july2020Click on any pics I post to enlarge them.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Aug 1, 2020 23:43:59 GMT
April the 5th had 6199 cases in the UK. April the 12th was the peak in daily deaths with 986 deaths that day. May the 6th had 6201 cases so virtually the same amount of cases as April the 5th but daily deaths had decreased to on average to about 450 per day for the next 7 days. www.statista.com/statistics/1101947/coronavirus-cases-development-uk/If you don't live in the UK you may think this is all irrelevant but if you look at the shape of the graphs on various websites you will see so many similarities between the western European countries and several of the US states that have already passed their peaks. This should give a few clues as to what will may happen in other countries and states that have not had much infection yet. Peaks are usually reached fairly quickly and don't last long at all and then there is a slower decline.
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Post by macky on Aug 2, 2020 0:22:56 GMT
"So the case number, which you see rising all the time in the news is basically irrelevant. And if you had told us a few months ago, that that was the number that the media was going to go crazy over, we all would have just laughed at that. I mean, that’s essentially herd immunity. There’s lots of people out there who have tested positive without symptoms or with very mild symptoms. So the only number that’s worth paying attention to is mortality." - Dr Simone Gold, MD. The doctor is absolutely incorrect. For a start, death doesn't automatically happen every time someone tests positive to Covid 19, so it's not the only number worth paying attention to. There is always (so far) a percentage of deaths arising from tested-positive cases, most of said cases either recovering without obvious damage or are asymptomatic. Whether that percentage is now falling or not, is another question. The fact remains that the more tested positives (genuine or not) the more deaths. The day when nobody dies from Covid 19 but still tests positive whether they show symptoms or not will be the day when "the only number that's worth paying attention to is mortality." Secondly, there are conflicting views that continue to create uncertainty among the professionals as well as the people as to whether assymptomatic transmission can or does take place. While that uncertainty is still not scientifically verified one way or the other, the best policy in my opinion is to still count the numbers of positive cases. At the same time, working to eliminate the unreliable nature of Covid 19 testing. We're 7-8 months down the track now, and if they still haven't got a reliable Covid 19-positive test, then that is another concern we raised on this thread in the early days. Third, the doctor talks of media going crazy, which we all know happens. There is much mis-information on both sides. The exact numbers will never be known, one way or the other.
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Post by macky on Aug 2, 2020 0:41:01 GMT
April the 5th had 6199 cases in the UK. April the 12th was the peak in daily deaths with 986 deaths that day. May the 6th had 6201 cases so virtually the same amount of cases as April the 5th but daily deaths had decreased to on average to about 450 per day for the next 7 days. www.statista.com/statistics/1101947/coronavirus-cases-development-uk/If you don't live in the UK you may think this is all irrelevant but if you look at the shape of the graphs on various websites you will see so many similarities between the western European countries and several of the US states that have already passed their peaks. This should give a few clues as to what will may happen in other countries and states that have not had much infection yet. Peaks are usually reached fairly quickly and don't last long at all and then there is a slower decline. The graphs in themselves don't tell the whole story. The reduction in cases/deaths/whatever could be the result of many steps taken to reduce the numbers, such as what is being practised now by many. Changes within a region that have now become permanent may help to keep the numbers down, as well. The world has changed, almost overnight so to speak. Whether that change is permanent or not, time will tell. Passing a "peak" on a graph does not automatically prove that the worst is in the past. It certainly does not show any degree of herd-immunity. The re-opening of regions, or slip-ups on security have resulted in fresh outbreaks, which will show another peak at some stage on a graph no doubt. There is also the very real political aspect within some countries of the Covid -19 emergency. The White House, for example, China and Russia for two others, all potentially hiding the "true" numbers. China hid it from the start. WHO was at fault as well. The rising numbers don't look good for Trump's re-election etc. Bolsonaro is down-playing the whole thing in Brazil. As such, graphs just show numbers, that's all. The interpretation of those numbers is something else. Graphs are an aid, not the whole story.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 2, 2020 9:03:27 GMT
The brainwashing media (all sources) has changed the world, almost overnight so to speak, due to people who allow it to create their perception of reality. Whether that change is permanent or not will depend on how well the human race can use common sense reasoning to evaluate data to clear away their own brain fog, the fear, and the MSM BS (from whatever source) and take effective action.
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Post by macky on Aug 3, 2020 2:38:59 GMT
The brainwashing media (all sources) has changed the world, almost overnight so to speak, due to people who allow it to create their perception of reality. Whether that change is permanent or not will depend on how well the human race can use common sense reasoning to evaluate data to clear away their own brain fog, the fear, and the MSM BS (from whatever source) and take effective action.
So true. On all fronts. I spent seven years writing into Skeptoid taking apart Brian Dunning's articles on recent history that promoted the Official US govt story. At the end when he shut down all public discussion after I sprung him for conflict of interest, I realized that scientists too are only subject to their own personal beliefs in the long run. And those that label themselves "skeptics" are often the most horse-blinkered of all.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 3, 2020 3:07:05 GMT
So true. ...... And those that label themselves "skeptics" are often the most horse-blinkered of all. You probably realize that it was your post that inspired me to post that. P-)
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Post by macky on Aug 3, 2020 9:18:34 GMT
Which of my posts, mikey ? I seem to have posted one or two
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 3, 2020 11:08:41 GMT
The one immediately before:
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 3, 2020 11:15:50 GMT
Hey, how come my "pirate" smiley displays like this: P-)
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When I hit the "smiley" button, I must "enable smiles" - and then it still doesn't display. WTF? Is the forum breaking down again? Can't use the "Image Gallery". Can't use the "smiles". Can't show pictures. This place is going down the shitter, but at least it's still in Bruce's back yard. :)!
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Post by macky on Aug 3, 2020 20:10:13 GMT
You haven't had a Benny-hack, have you ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 3, 2020 21:19:13 GMT
You haven't had a Benny-hack, have you ? GASP!
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