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Post by macky on Jul 26, 2020 20:22:47 GMT
"They" refers to those doing the testing and discovering the clusters of people with human RNA. I hate that I've been forced to learn this shit just to function in a world where, now, too many have seemingly lost their common sense, logical reasoning and critical thinking, but instead, just suck up all manner of misdirected information and outright fabrications (like the myth of what a "virus" is and what it does - I was one of those who had to unlearn what I thought I "knew"). However, it has also been a blessing that I have been able to inquire, trying to keep an open and impartial mind to whatever answer is correct, verify facts and learn new and useful things. If all in a cluster tested positive for being human, it could be interesting to know how many positively ID'd people in those clusters had the symptoms and, most important, how many had a deadly outcome? In this age of technology being pushed upon us, it is inexcusable and completely irresponsible not to have the data (including how many in the clusters were treated and how they were treated, based on that testing) that could inform us about how to proceed for the better health of everyone - which health, we know from longevity studies, is significantly dependent on human contact and free interactions. If those Kiwi's who did the "testing" don't have the outcome data for each person in each "positive-test-results" cluster, then they have failed NZ and the world in a huge way. I don't like this any more than you do mikey. The confusion on all fronts from many sources, not only media, has resulted in a climate of fear and in many cases, loathing. I totally agree with your views in general, and especially on technology. That is one of the main reasons for the huge financial gap between the "haves" and "have-nots" and the dissolution of workers' union balance in "industrialized" countries such as ours. I saw it starting (from my perspective) as far back as 1967 when I sat next to a guy in an employment line. He was 54, had a family to look after, and had just lost his house when he lost his job as a boiler attendant to an automated device. Our telecoms industry with many career progressive and fulfilling jobs are all gone due to advances in technology. Switching telephone exchanges that once held 4-5 technicians, two jumper-wire ladies, are empty. Once a day a travelling tech will call in for half an hour, then leave. These advances in tech have not been used to enhance The Peoples' lives, but to put them out of work or at best, reduce their qualifications to the level of facet-workers, and their wages driven down. The "top 2%" are as remote as ever they were from the bulk of the people, who now have very little areas of redress to management plundering. The ratio of CEO/worker income used to be something like 26/1. It has now been calculated at 262/1. That is the failure of rampant capitalism as much as the fault of technology being used for the ultimate benefit of a few. That has also rendered such a predatory system vulnerable to epidemics like Covid-19. Real or perceived. In addition, because of the huge US total debt at some 80 trillion (not public debt) the US is on the brink of financial collapse, something I warned on here about many years ago. That is another reason why I believe the Covid 19 emergency is being used as an opportunity for the PTB to bring about changes, of which the People know not (as yet).
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 26, 2020 22:51:43 GMT
It's a distraction.
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Post by vegetus25 on Jul 26, 2020 23:36:00 GMT
I have not heard of any studies on them. It is hard to study a subject who, first of all, is hard to find and, second, when found, won't open their doors.
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Post by macky on Jul 27, 2020 2:10:39 GMT
I'm not sure it's a global distraction (yet). In the US I believe the Covid-19 emergency is being taken advantage of, as such. There are probably several agendas using Covid-19 as a cover for bringing in big changes under "emergency" conditions, and/or war (yet another the US is involved in, somewhere on the planet), and/or citizens' rights curtailed under military dictatorship via martial law being imposed. Which would solve many problems at once e.g. no more demonstrations of any nature, or the demonstrators face mandatory transport to detention camps which are reputed to be dotted around the US, or simply shot on sight the moment they are seen vandalizing property or beating anyone up. Under martial law if you're told to do something like receive a vaccination (the end of any personal security), you either comply or it will be forced upon you either physically or having your ID held until you comply, said ID now required to shop at your local store or supermarket. Under martial law your ID details will also have a black mark against them, and you'll never get a job while that black is on your ID. And you'll never be sure of what said vaccination is composed of.
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Post by macky on Jul 27, 2020 2:11:49 GMT
I have not heard of any studies on them. It is hard to study a subject who, first of all, is hard to find and, second, when found, won't open their doors. Studies on what, mate ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 27, 2020 8:54:10 GMT
Watching the news, which I don't, no doubt all you see is the tiny groups of scrubs who are doing despicable shit. When you live here and socialize, you'd find most are onto it, including LE, current and former military.
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Post by macky on Jul 27, 2020 10:18:08 GMT
I don't watch TV in general, except over at my friends place where I'll watch aljazeera for a short while. Not to form any opinions, just that they seem to get right into the scenes of whatever they are reporting on. It reminds me of how bloody lucky I am to be here in NZ.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jul 29, 2020 17:08:38 GMT
From the numbers unless there is full disclosure about testing it's hard to draw meanininful conflusions.
If we only know the numbers that test positive without knowing how many tests gave us that many positives, we don't know the rate of infection. Seeing the rate go up or down would be incredibly useful, seeing the number infected may not mean a damn thing.
Say today we see 15,000 cases and tomorrow we see 20,000 new cases. One of these scenarios apply and which one matters a lot. 1. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 30,000 tests. Things are getting worse. 2. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 50,000 tests. Things are getting better. 3. Today we did 30,000 tests and tomorrow we did 21,000 tests. Things are getting worse, rapidly.
In call cases the headlines just following numbers infected would look worse.
Bruv calls out deaths. Actually, simply looking at numbers of death by month compared to the same month last year would be a pretty good method. It removes all the political bullshit. Assuming heart disease, cancer and other things are killing at the same rate as last year, the higher level can probably correctly be attributed to covid.
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Post by macky on Jul 29, 2020 20:12:00 GMT
Yes quite reasonable for sure. And I don't discount Bruv's focus on deaths either.
The rise in "positive tested cases" isn't caused by more testing however, as some may say. Those cases were previously unidentified until they were tested. That indicates the possibility that there are many more out there that are positive for Covid 19 but as yet untested and identified.
In the meantime there have been 250,000 hits on google from Americans enquiring about moving to NZ. Thousands of others as well from around the world.
We don't want them here. They will turn this country into another global hot spot, after all the good work that's been done here. Next thing NZ will be divided into Reps and Dems fighting each other, with rioting in the streets. Trump will wake up one morning and declare NZ another state of America and we'll have nuclear ships arriving in port.
Worst of all, our rugby players will start to wear helmets and run around padded up to the gills. Outrageous !!
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 30, 2020 16:23:24 GMT
Death with symptoms is what matters. If a person doesn't have the symptoms, they don't have it. The test results are worthless info.
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Post by macky on Jul 30, 2020 21:19:02 GMT
Death with symptoms is what matters. If a person doesn't have the symptoms, they don't have it. The test results are worthless info. So does all that apply globally ? Or is it just in the United States, with all the politicking, Trumpism, and utter confusion ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 30, 2020 23:44:27 GMT
Trump, his followers and the confusion of some doesn't change biology, m8. Thank God for that!
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Post by macky on Jul 31, 2020 3:37:36 GMT
That's true mikey. But they can change the results depending on their responses (or not).
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 31, 2020 12:28:37 GMT
Their influence on results depends on people giving attention to and believing and obeying the empty BS narrative.
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Post by macky on Jul 31, 2020 20:38:47 GMT
So does that BS apply right round the world, and we have a global push by the world banking PTB fraternity to enhance countries' borrowing and therefore debt bondage (a tried and true tactic on all fronts), using Covid 19 as an opportunity/excuse to further their One World "govt" agenda ?
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