pierinifitness
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Post by pierinifitness on Feb 3, 2020 19:28:57 GMT
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Feb 3, 2020 21:46:47 GMT
The standards with reference to the reps is moot if you fail to specify what your standards for a proper pushup are.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Feb 4, 2020 2:20:47 GMT
Wide ranges should be expected no matter what standard though. I agree to compare two people they need to use the same standard for sure.
A lot of the range is due to differences in limb length and probably to a lesser extent muscle fiber makeup. I'm 6'1 and have a 36 inch sleeve. I can hit the top end of the good range for my age group, but if I had a 30 inch sleeve, I'd be "off the charts".
For a short period of time I did some crossfit and there were 3 ex special ops guys in there. One was the same size as me the other two were about 5'9" and large builds, not heavy by any means but big boned. I know the taller guy had bad knees from all the running, the shorter guys didn't seem any worse for wear. I imagine they survived training because physically their bodies were able to take the abuse. The mental thing, that is another thing altogether. You have it or you don't, no training that in my opinion.
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Post by stuke on Feb 4, 2020 15:26:38 GMT
I don't agree with this sort of thing. I have seen it all over the years, with push ups, with pull uos etc. The form is usually terrible when chasing reps. Often not even half reps in my opinion.
I once knew a personal trainer at the gym, he saw me doing chin ups with 30kg hanging from my waist for around 7 reps, full reos I mught add and after my set proceeded to tell me how he could do one arm chin ups. I said, what, purecone arm, no assistance etc? He said yes, so I said that is pretty good, will you show me? He swaggered over to the bar, climbed up, put one hand on the bar, one around that other hand's wrist and started repping. I didn't have the heart to tell him those were not one arm chins and were not really any more difficult than normal reps. My point is that it's all subjective. For oush ups, anything goea with a lot of people, that is why you regularly hear of people knocking out sets of 50, 100 etc. If I am doing them, it is feet raised, stiff body, chest to touching floor, or lower when done between blocks, back to full lockout. And no, I cannot do that many, rather add a weighted backpack or go steeper.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Feb 5, 2020 3:50:25 GMT
I don't agree with this sort of thing. I have seen it all over the years, with push ups, with pull uos etc. The form is usually terrible when chasing reps. Often not even half reps in my opinion. I once knew a personal trainer at the gym, he saw me doing chin ups with 30kg hanging from my waist for around 7 reps, full reos I mught add and after my set proceeded to tell me how he could do one arm chin ups. I said, what, purecone arm, no assistance etc? He said yes, so I said that is pretty good, will you show me? He swaggered over to the bar, climbed up, put one hand on the bar, one around that other hand's wrist and started repping. I didn't have the heart to tell him those were not one arm chins and were not really any more difficult than normal reps. My point is that it's all subjective. For oush ups, anything goea with a lot of people, that is why you regularly hear of people knocking out sets of 50, 100 etc. If I am doing them, it is feet raised, stiff body, chest to touching floor, or lower when done between blocks, back to full lockout. And no, I cannot do that many, rather add a weighted backpack or go steeper. I agree with what you say about "one" arm pullups whole heartedly. Put one hand in your pocket and one on the bar. Pull.
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Post by stuke on Feb 5, 2020 6:35:18 GMT
I don't agree with this sort of thing. I have seen it all over the years, with push ups, with pull uos etc. The form is usually terrible when chasing reps. Often not even half reps in my opinion. I once knew a personal trainer at the gym, he saw me doing chin ups with 30kg hanging from my waist for around 7 reps, full reos I mught add and after my set proceeded to tell me how he could do one arm chin ups. I said, what, purecone arm, no assistance etc? He said yes, so I said that is pretty good, will you show me? He swaggered over to the bar, climbed up, put one hand on the bar, one around that other hand's wrist and started repping. I didn't have the heart to tell him those were not one arm chins and were not really any more difficult than normal reps. My point is that it's all subjective. For oush ups, anything goea with a lot of people, that is why you regularly hear of people knocking out sets of 50, 100 etc. If I am doing them, it is feet raised, stiff body, chest to touching floor, or lower when done between blocks, back to full lockout. And no, I cannot do that many, rather add a weighted backpack or go steeper. I agree with what you say about "one" arm pullups whole heartedly. Put one hand in your pocket and one on the bar. Pull. Ha, i ttied working towards one myself, dven when I could do a 2 arm rep with over 50kg around my waist ...I could not pull one arm more than a third of the way up.
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Post by pierinifitness on Feb 5, 2020 15:39:36 GMT
Each of us has our own form we follow keeping us safe; the reps we perform are done that way. Therefore, our total rep counts only matter to us and the guide I posted is merely a reference to motivate those who haven't tested themselves recently. Kudos to everyone who attempts to discover their best effort.
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Post by Michael on Feb 5, 2020 23:05:56 GMT
Being that I once chased numbers in calisthenics(pushups, pullups, etc..) I learned some things from doing it. I also came up with some questions for myself. What did I get out of doing higher reps of pushups? Is the risk of injury worth chasing reps? Why does everyone use pushup numbers to judge someone's fitness level? Why should we let someone tell us what is the right form or range of motion for us? Why not make the pushup harder by using tension, form, leverage, or resistance?
Using Gordon as an example. I could care less about his pushup form or the numbers he did in the video. Putting a video up of doing pushups is just putting Yourself out there for criticism. Instead of worrying about the number of silly pushups he could do, he'd be better off trying to lose that belly. By doing thousands of pushups he would have no chance of doing that. Doing high rep pushups is more of an ego thing.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 6, 2020 13:14:47 GMT
The answer is that you should be able to do at least one pushup, to help you get off the ground.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Feb 6, 2020 14:41:22 GMT
The answer is that you should be able to do at least one pushup, to help you get off the ground. That statement was spot on. There are many motions I want to be able to do for the rest of my life. Just not necessarily in an athletic or competitive manner.
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Post by stuke on Feb 6, 2020 15:13:43 GMT
Being that I once chased numbers in calisthenics(pushups, pullups, etc..) I learned some things from doing it. I also came up with some questions for myself. What did I get out of doing higher reps of pushups? Is the risk of injury worth chasing reps? Why does everyone use pushup numbers to judge someone's fitness level? Why should we let someone tell us what is the right form or range of motion for us? Why not make the pushup harder by using tension, form, leverage, or resistance? Using Gordon as an example. I could care less about his pushup form or the numbers he did in the video. Putting a video up of doing pushups is just putting Yourself out there for criticism. Instead of worrying about the number of silly pushups he could do, he'd be better off trying to lose that belly. By doing thousands of pushups he would have no chance of doing that. Doing high rep pushups is more of an ego thing. Yes yes yes I agree with everything. Many people also use a marathon as athe mark of ultimate fitness. Not me though, I see emaciated, unhealthy looking people who usually look in a lot of pain. Hahaha. Just my view. But Gordon's form is shoddy, but if he is happy, fair play to him, if he is imoroving, good on him, but those reps cannot be used as an exampke of puah ups really. I find them hard - to rep out on, not that I try much. I treat them like other exercises and make then hard for myself.
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Post by pierinifitness on Feb 6, 2020 15:40:46 GMT
Being that I once chased numbers in calisthenics(pushups, pullups, etc..) I learned some things from doing it. I also came up with some questions for myself. What did I get out of doing higher reps of pushups? Is the risk of injury worth chasing reps? Why does everyone use pushup numbers to judge someone's fitness level? Why should we let someone tell us what is the right form or range of motion for us? Why not make the pushup harder by using tension, form, leverage, or resistance? Using Gordon as an example. I could care less about his pushup form or the numbers he did in the video. Putting a video up of doing pushups is just putting Yourself out there for criticism. Instead of worrying about the number of silly pushups he could do, he'd be better off trying to lose that belly. By doing thousands of pushups he would have no chance of doing that. Doing high rep pushups is more of an ego thing. Agree with you Michael, putting a video up subjects you to criticism. Honestly, I've been spared most criticism for the videos I've posted. In the case of Gordon, there's a story about his famous video that the old-timers here will recall. That video wasn't supposed to see cyberspace daylight. It was only viewable on the Transformetrics' website and Joe Justice had gone to great lengths to "protect" it. Someone was able to work around it and got their hands on it, shared it with others and the rest is history. Also agree with what you say about chasing high reps. I've been fortunate and not injured from my occasional high rep pursuits, maybe bored but not injured. But, I'm sensible enough not to subject myself to high reps day in and day out. And, I make sure my workouts have balance - for every push, there should be a pull. We're all different and our training programs must match our training personalities for best results.
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Post by bob44 on Feb 6, 2020 17:39:27 GMT
John Sifferman has been the type of trainer I have enjoyed reading. Very little BS and a lot of common sense. When I read an article like this, I find it a motivator to see where I fall is the categories. I think I fall in the excellent range but I can't be sure since they don't have my age range. In the past John has had contests, not with others, but to make a goal to improve pull-ups and offered free advice in how to improve. To me pushups, is the one exercise where there is no doubt in what is the correct form. In the US we have been doing the President's physical fitness tests in public schools since the JFK days with pushups as one of the tests and the military has had testing even longer with standards for the pushups.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Feb 6, 2020 19:51:18 GMT
In the US we have been doing the President's physical fitness tests in public schools since the JFK days with pushups as one of the tests and the military has had testing even longer with standards for the pushups. Fitness programs for mass groups (as noble as the groups can be) are made up for convenience of testing and not necessarily efficiency. People are a commodity to government.
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Post by Michael on Feb 7, 2020 0:08:49 GMT
The answer is that you should be able to do at least one pushup, to help you get off the ground. If someone can't do one pushup that would be pretty sad. I agree with what You said. I just don't believe in doing hundreds of pushups or care what someone thinks of my form. I'm a big believer in doing KB Get Ups or getting up off the floor with no hands.
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