pierinifitness
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Post by pierinifitness on Jul 9, 2019 2:18:18 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 9, 2019 3:54:53 GMT
Those make sense to me. Thanks for sharing!
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jul 9, 2019 6:23:14 GMT
That is why I prefer self-resistance and co-contraction exercises, not weightlifting. These exercises are injury free, do not load the spinal column, provide sufficient strength, muscle development, coordination, and good flexibility. For old people, this training is a great option.
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jul 9, 2019 18:06:26 GMT
To me nothing builds core strength like loaded carries, but that can be pretty taxing on the lower back and I also find that light weight/high rep swings are useful to build resilience.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jul 9, 2019 19:12:29 GMT
I hope a strong back does not result in a weak mind .Meanwhile, include daily high bar hangs .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 6:14:31 GMT
The Rogan podcast had a world's strongest man competitor on earlier this week. His tip was never do deadlifts unless you have to -- for example: because you compete in deadlift comps.
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Post by fastfor40 on Jul 10, 2019 10:48:51 GMT
Well, this is my experience, and I mentioned this in another forum a couple years ago.
I devote three days a week to deadlift training, and that's down two days from my aforementioned post.
Back then I was doing 3x3 with 225 every day. Now I do 3x3 with 245 twice a week, and the third day is strictly by feel. I may do singles, doubles, or a set of 10 with 135lbs.
I am more than happy with the results, and I'm in my early 60s. In fact, a much younger athlete at my gym is doing my deadlift workout and he likes it a lot.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 10, 2019 11:06:43 GMT
Was he referring to straight bar DLs? If so, I agree. Straight bar DL is a stunt, a special skill, favoring particular body structure as all pro athletic competitions do and no way would I do one unless it was my job as a competitor.
The DL I do now is by pulling up from between my legs, Sumo style, like I would squat to pick something moderately heavy up from the ground.
I thought the article had good general bullets, but I didn't care for some of his breakdowns into specifics.
I do agree that having 3 - 5 basic, everyday, go-to exercises is a good thing.
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Post by machinehead on Jul 10, 2019 12:40:52 GMT
Ripptoe's do's and don't's
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MBS
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Post by MBS on Jul 10, 2019 18:43:31 GMT
I consider the trap bar deadlift to be the most valuable strength movement I do.
Just having the ability of picking up something ( relatively) heavy off the floor, carries over to all aspects of life.
I don’t lift heavy. My pulls generally are in the 165-245 range, focusing on form. Reps vary.
At 60, this is the approach that best serves my long term health goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 19:45:44 GMT
Here's the deadlift clip:
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MBS
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Post by MBS on Jul 10, 2019 20:57:07 GMT
^^^^I would agree that if someone is consistently trying to see how much they can pull, there’s a lot more chance of tweaking your back.
I have never tested my 1RM. The risk/ reward is not worth it.
But if you’re lifting 1x-1.5x your body weight, with good form, there’s a lot of benefits to it, with very little, if any, downside.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 10, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
That is why I prefer self-resistance and co-contraction exercises, not weightlifting. These exercises are injury free, do not load the spinal column, provide sufficient strength, muscle development, coordination, and good flexibility. For old people, this training is a great option. The one strength feat everyone is called upon to perform, virtually on a daily basis, is to lift something and carry it. The weights of such sundry items can vary from very light to very heavy. Just this morning I had to lift and carry a couple of bags of potting soil, and these things weigh a freaking ton. Lifting weights builds the muscle and strength needed to perform these tasks. When you lift a barbell off the floor to perform any sort of exercise, you are engaging all those muscles needed to lift a heavy weight off the floor - your legs, your back, arms, forearms, and shoulders - all being strengthened in unison as nature intended. Lifting weights is the most natural and effective means of building strength and muscle. Another advantage to lifting weights is that you can't delude yourself into believing you are stronger than you actually are. Those who have built "off the charts" strength using "our methods" ought to try some deadlifts for a rude awakening. |
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jul 10, 2019 21:39:06 GMT
That is why I prefer self-resistance and co-contraction exercises, not weightlifting. These exercises are injury free, do not load the spinal column, provide sufficient strength, muscle development, coordination, and good flexibility. For old people, this training is a great option. The one strength feat everyone is called upon to perform, virtually on a daily basis, is to lift something and carry it. The weights of such sundry items can vary from very light to very heavy. Just this morning I had to lift and carry a couple of bags of potting soil, and these things weigh a freaking ton. Lifting weights builds the muscle and strength needed to perform these tasks. When you lift a barbell off the floor to perform any sort of exercise, you are engaging all those muscles needed to lift a heavy weight off the floor - your legs, your back, arms, forearms, and shoulders - all being strengthened in unison as nature intended. Lifting weights is the most natural and effective means of building strength and muscle. Another advantage to lifting weights is that you can't delude yourself into believing you are stronger than you actually are. Those who have built "off the charts" strength using "our methods" ought to try some deadlifts for a rude awakening. I train my back and side body muscles with a belt but without strong vertical spinal column compression. It is enough for me to carry heavy things and to put my Troy-Built lawn mower to the side position to change the transmission. That is max what I need now. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 10, 2019 22:31:19 GMT
You make it sound as though "vertical spinal column compression" is something to be avoided at all costs. "Vertical spinal column compression" is a part of the strength building process. You appear to be parroting that Joke on another forum. I have often said on this forum that exercise doesn't have to be a case of one or another, that I believe you should avail yourself to all effective muscle/strength tools. If you don't want to lift weights, that's fine, but don't schpiel a bunch of physio-babble nonsense to defend your choice, or as a contention that lifting weights is bad for you. The danger isn't in the weights themselves, the danger is in their misuse.
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