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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2019 5:58:17 GMT
......That America supported Hitler in the 30's and his regime via industry (IBM Hollerith machines and punch card technology, oil etc) and via Nazi doctrine re American Eugenics is a blight on American history and pseudo-history and declassified documents over the years are evidence that persons in the powers-that-be colluded with the enemy while others such as yourself were losing their lives fighting those on the other side who were no more aware of the true nature of things than any other common serviceman.
In other words, a large conglomerate of military personnel fighting another similar conglomerate while the "boys at the top" manipulated things around to their own benefit and played both sides.
After WWII and the emergence of those thugs the CIA in 1947, no country in the world outside of the Five Eyes group who wanted to run things their own way were free of American CIA interference to the eventual overthrow of basically democratic process and the installation of vicious dictatorial regimes such as Pinochet and even Saddam Hussein in Iraq who were more conducive to corporate plundering.
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The Middle East is oil-rich and of strategic importance in the global scheme of things. America uses about a quarter of the world's resources with less than one twentieth of the world's population.
That's what war is about, post WWII. Money and resources.
War is about control of marketplaces and resources. All that blather about how the other side doesn't respect life or our democratic ideals are hogwash. It's a con to get our working-class young men and women to kill other working-class young men and women in the "enemy" country. Really, our enemies are the corporations who marshal the world's youth to commit organized mass murder. They treat us like chumps and cynically fill our heads with all kinds of reasons to kill fellow working people in other lands. Down with the war machine!
Today, "serving one's country" is an outmoded catch-phrase for enlisting in the armed forces and going to whatever war the US and its Allies are currently engaged in.
For a start, what country do you think you are serving ? The country where the Middle Class is nearly now non-existent, the workers having their jobs lifted from them and given to dollar-a-day sweatshop labour in the Far East by the corporate traitors and the government leaders who are in their pockets ?
The country where unbridled immigration is allowed and the health services etc that were paid for by taxes from the country's citizens overwhelmed by new people who never contributed one cent to the economy ?
The country where the real power brokers are remote from any democratic vote by American/NZ/Australian/UK/Canadian citizens ?
A classic example : The Federal Reserve, whose governors are largely not accountable to Congress, their audits (after the fact) full of exceptions including dealing with foreign governments, said deals unknown to Congress. NZ is much the same.
A country where institutionalized perjury is govt-sanctioned and common, the FBI's FD-302 form a longstanding culprit.
Who or what are you serving when you enlist, these days ? Freedom ? Democracy ? Neither exist in reality except in a rudimentary fashion, they are just call-cries to yet another war, your support for the War Industry and Big Money.
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Post by billfish on Jun 21, 2019 12:28:20 GMT
JRG I served 4 years in the USAF and 2 years in the USN In the USAF I was a crew chief on F-4 Phantom jet fighters and was stationed in England for 2 1/2 years ( the CC was responsible for the safe flying condition of the aircraft, maintenance, fueling, pre and post flight inspections etc ) I also went on temporary duty 7 times to Italy, Spain and Sardinia Also got a ride on a gunnery range mission in the back seat of my aircraft......real life Top Gun stuff and made the 4 years worth every minute ! I liked the Air Force, we were treated well and I made rank quickly, but when the time came to get out, I got out In the USN I was a crewman aboard a guided missile cruiser stationed in San Diego CA and served in the deck division before moving on to the signal bridge where we utilized flashing light, semaphore and flag hoist for visual communications with other ships at sea Made a cruise to the Western Pacific with port calls in Hawaii, Midway Island, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Guam, Tonga, Samoa and Tahiti Although I didn't like the Navy, like the Air Force I did see some interesting places and had some interesting experiences like crossing the Equator ( I am a Shellback ) and International Date Line All in all, I'm glad that I served in both....went into the Air Force in 1968 as a punk kid high school dropout and as it was the height of the Vietnam war was very fortunate to even be accepted. I got to work on and around jet fighters which I really liked The best part is that while my ship was in the Navy yard at Long Beach, CA I met my wife to be 3 months before getting out. 43 years later I'm still glad I joined the Navy for that reason The military has it's pros and cons and you need to do your homework before joining but, IMO go for it I've met several guys over the years who regret that they didn't serve in the military. It's not all fun and games, but there are opportunities that you won't find in civilian life and if you don't like it, you can get out when your time is up For me, it was a great experience and I would do it again, even the Navy When we left Viet Nam we made a stopover in Manila and spent the night at an Air Force base. We, of course, slept in a barracks. Those Air Force guys had freaking apartments! ......it wasn't like that where i was, but today they really live good. I never understood guys wanting to stay in the navy and living on a ship. In my berthing compartment on the ship, we had 50 guys crammed in on racks 3 high. I loved going to sea but one hitch in the Navy was enough for me
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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2019 20:20:35 GMT
Our "ship" was an old 72ft launch with a round hull that tested the soundest stomach over the Cook Strait in trips to the South Island from Wellington.
We all took turns at various jobs in the vessel, including cooking for 12 in a galley that could fit two crew and nothing else. One didn't fill the pots on the stove full because you would get a fair bit of the boiling contents down your front when she rolled. The engine room with two Foden diesels was stoop-high and the sleeping quarters were cramped. The only part that was off-limits was the radio cabin which was crewed by a regular navy operator. Our commander on one trip was also a regular who had just returned from service in the Indonesian waters fighting pirates who were never slow to open fire on the small navy ships sent there. One ship had its engine room wrecked when a bomb went off in the pirate boat that had been drawn alongside. The bren gunner was fished out of the water 50 metres astern. After that, the navy ships stood off from the pirate boats and made their crews swim to them. Any firing from the pirate boat starting up and the navy ships would use their bigger guns and blow them out of the water.
I've always had a fascination for aircraft and regularly pop out to the local airport, constructed during WWII by the Americans. They have a selection of warbirds there, including a Spitfire trainer, a P40, P51, Harvards (T6 Texans) and a Catalina.
But I loved working on the sea the most. Not sitting around all day with a line dangling in the water, but hauling nets and slinging crayfish pots etc when I was working on a fishing boat. And there was always plenty to do on the navy launch.
Cook Strait on a nice day. I never went overseas. This was where I spent most of my sea time as a Sunday sailor, and later on a 25ft launch rigged for nets and crayfish posts. This sort of thing in the youtube was/is actually quite common. I travelled on several of the older ships across the Straits and was often the only customer in the café, all the rest lined up along the rails, or ordered inside because the decks were becoming awash.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 21, 2019 22:46:25 GMT
When we left Viet Nam we made a stopover in Manila and spent the night at an Air Force base. We, of course, slept in a barracks. Those Air Force guys had freaking apartments! ......it wasn't like that where i was, but today they really live good. I never understood guys wanting to stay in the navy and living on a ship. In my berthing compartment on the ship, we had 50 guys crammed in on racks 3 high. I loved going to sea but one hitch in the Navy was enough for me I did 10 years USN on three different ships and one 3 year stint of shore duty, My now (20 years ago) ex-wife was active duty USAF during 4 years of that time period. They did have it much easier.
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Post by billfish on Jun 22, 2019 17:19:06 GMT
Our "ship" was an old 72ft launch with a round hull that tested the soundest stomach over the Cook Strait in trips to the South Island from Wellington.
We all took turns at various jobs in the vessel, including cooking for 12 in a galley that could fit two crew and nothing else. One didn't fill the pots on the stove full because you would get a fair bit of the boiling contents down your front when she rolled. The engine room with two Foden diesels was stoop-high and the sleeping quarters were cramped. The only part that was off-limits was the radio cabin which was crewed by a regular navy operator. Our commander on one trip was also a regular who had just returned from service in the Indonesian waters fighting pirates who were never slow to open fire on the small navy ships sent there. One ship had its engine room wrecked when a bomb went off in the pirate boat that had been drawn alongside. The bren gunner was fished out of the water 50 metres astern. After that, the navy ships stood off from the pirate boats and made their crews swim to them. Any firing from the pirate boat starting up and the navy ships would use their bigger guns and blow them out of the water.
I've always had a fascination for aircraft and regularly pop out to the local airport, constructed during WWII by the Americans. They have a selection of warbirds there, including a Spitfire trainer, a P40, P51, Harvards (T6 Texans) and a Catalina.
But I loved working on the sea the most. Not sitting around all day with a line dangling in the water, but hauling nets and slinging crayfish pots etc when I was working on a fishing boat. And there was always plenty to do on the navy launch.
Cook Strait on a nice day. I never went overseas. This was where I spent most of my sea time as a Sunday sailor, and later on a 25ft launch rigged for nets and crayfish posts. This sort of thing in the youtube was/is actually quite common. I travelled on several of the older ships across the Straits and was often the only customer in the café, all the rest lined up along the rails, or ordered inside because the decks were becoming awash. Quite the adventure macky !
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Post by billfish on Jun 22, 2019 17:33:45 GMT
......it wasn't like that where i was, but today they really live good. I never understood guys wanting to stay in the navy and living on a ship. In my berthing compartment on the ship, we had 50 guys crammed in on racks 3 high. I loved going to sea but one hitch in the Navy was enough for me I did 10 years USN on three different ships and one 3 year stint of shore duty, My now (20 years ago) ex-wife was active duty USAF during 4 years of that time period. They did have it much easier. They definitely had it easier. After leaving tech school ( "A" school ) I never stood another personnel inspection while in the Air Force I considered shipping over but luckily met my wife, the morning i seperated my wife waited in the car outside the personnel office and when I came out I told her "let's get outta' here before they change their minds" We went out and celebrated with the money I got for travel pay, sold back leave etc.
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Post by MBS on Jun 22, 2019 20:34:53 GMT
JRG,
my recommendation is you forget this French foreign legion nonsense. Find yourself a girl, start getting pussy on a regular basis, and enjoy your life. 😄
You’ll figure things out along the way.
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Post by billfish on Jun 22, 2019 21:29:41 GMT
JRG, my recommendation is you forget this French foreign legion nonsense. Find yourself a girl, start getting pussy on a regular basis, and enjoy your life. 😄 You’ll figure things out along the way. Great advice MBS ! But I think he should post his thoughts on JPs forum to get some expert advice
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Post by macky on Jun 22, 2019 23:04:14 GMT
JRG, my recommendation is you forget this French foreign legion nonsense. Find yourself a girl, start getting pussy on a regular basis, and enjoy your life. 😄 You’ll figure things out along the way. Great advice MBS ! But I think he should post his thoughts on JPs forum to get some expert advice Especially on how to handle schoolteachers …...
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Post by macky on Jun 22, 2019 23:25:17 GMT
Our "ship" was an old 72ft launch with a round hull that tested the soundest stomach over the Cook Strait in trips to the South Island from Wellington.
We all took turns at various jobs in the vessel, including cooking for 12 in a galley that could fit two crew and nothing else. One didn't fill the pots on the stove full because you would get a fair bit of the boiling contents down your front when she rolled. The engine room with two Foden diesels was stoop-high and the sleeping quarters were cramped. The only part that was off-limits was the radio cabin which was crewed by a regular navy operator. Our commander on one trip was also a regular who had just returned from service in the Indonesian waters fighting pirates who were never slow to open fire on the small navy ships sent there. One ship had its engine room wrecked when a bomb went off in the pirate boat that had been drawn alongside. The bren gunner was fished out of the water 50 metres astern. After that, the navy ships stood off from the pirate boats and made their crews swim to them. Any firing from the pirate boat starting up and the navy ships would use their bigger guns and blow them out of the water.
I've always had a fascination for aircraft and regularly pop out to the local airport, constructed during WWII by the Americans. They have a selection of warbirds there, including a Spitfire trainer, a P40, P51, Harvards (T6 Texans) and a Catalina.
But I loved working on the sea the most. Not sitting around all day with a line dangling in the water, but hauling nets and slinging crayfish pots etc when I was working on a fishing boat. And there was always plenty to do on the navy launch.
Cook Strait on a nice day. I never went overseas. This was where I spent most of my sea time as a Sunday sailor, and later on a 25ft launch rigged for nets and crayfish posts. This sort of thing in the youtube was/is actually quite common. I travelled on several of the older ships across the Straits and was often the only customer in the café, all the rest lined up along the rails, or ordered inside because the decks were becoming awash. Quite the adventure macky ! Well, the sea is the sea Matey, wherever around the Globe it is. I've never been hit by a rogue wave crossing the Straits, but with Cook Strait being one of the rougher stretches of water in the world, sometimes it was hard to tell the difference.
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Post by billfish on Jun 23, 2019 12:39:38 GMT
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