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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 20, 2019 6:45:51 GMT
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 20, 2019 8:24:20 GMT
Somebody once said that the object of war is to get the other son-of-a-bitch to die for his country. "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - Gen. George Patton To that I will add it's definitely preferable to do that to your opponent in THEIR own country, or nowadays the territory they hold. |
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Post by macky on Jun 20, 2019 8:39:00 GMT
In that case, you are an invader. As is the case now with the US and the other members of the Five Eyes group invading the Middle East on the back of a jacked up story of the alleged 9-11 perpetrators (for which there is no evidence) and so-called 'weapons of mass destruction', also a jacked up story.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 20, 2019 9:05:04 GMT
In that case, you are an invader. As is the case now with the US and the other members of the Five Eyes group invading the Middle East on the back of a jacked up story of the alleged 9-11 perpetrators (for which there is no evidence) and so-called 'weapons of mass destruction', also a jacked up story. Sometimes "invader"=free world manager. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 20, 2019 15:44:56 GMT
In that case, you are an invader. As is the case now with the US and the other members of the Five Eyes group invading the Middle East on the back of a jacked up story of the alleged 9-11 perpetrators (for which there is no evidence) and so-called 'weapons of mass destruction', also a jacked up story. Did someone tell you life is fair? |
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Post by billfish on Jun 20, 2019 19:29:45 GMT
JRG I served 4 years in the USAF and 2 years in the USN In the USAF I was a crew chief on F-4 Phantom jet fighters and was stationed in England for 2 1/2 years ( the CC was responsible for the safe flying condition of the aircraft, maintenance, fueling, pre and post flight inspections etc ) I also went on temporary duty 7 times to Italy, Spain and Sardinia Also got a ride on a gunnery range mission in the back seat of my aircraft......real life Top Gun stuff and made the 4 years worth every minute ! I liked the Air Force, we were treated well and I made rank quickly, but when the time came to get out, I got out In the USN I was a crewman aboard a guided missile cruiser stationed in San Diego CA and served in the deck division before moving on to the signal bridge where we utilized flashing light, semaphore and flag hoist for visual communications with other ships at sea Made a cruise to the Western Pacific with port calls in Hawaii, Midway Island, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Guam, Tonga, Samoa and Tahiti Although I didn't like the Navy, like the Air Force I did see some interesting places and had some interesting experiences like crossing the Equator ( I am a Shellback ) and International Date Line All in all, I'm glad that I served in both....went into the Air Force in 1968 as a punk kid high school dropout and as it was the height of the Vietnam war was very fortunate to even be accepted. I got to work on and around jet fighters which I really liked The best part is that while my ship was in the Navy yard at Long Beach, CA I met my wife to be 3 months before getting out. 43 years later I'm still glad I joined the Navy for that reason The military has it's pros and cons and you need to do your homework before joining but, IMO go for it I've met several guys over the years who regret that they didn't serve in the military. It's not all fun and games, but there are opportunities that you won't find in civilian life and if you don't like it, you can get out when your time is up For me, it was a great experience and I would do it again, even the Navy  |
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Post by Michael on Jun 20, 2019 21:01:17 GMT
That's some pretty cool stuff Billfish. Thank You For Your Service, respect. My oldest is a Marine.
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Post by billfish on Jun 20, 2019 21:25:09 GMT
That's some pretty cool stuff Billfish. Thank You For Your Service, respect. My oldest is a Marine. Thank you Michael......all the best to your son and my thanks to him for his service |
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Post by stormshadow on Jun 20, 2019 21:39:30 GMT
Billfish really enjoyed your post. Thank you. Reminds of this
I want to fly an F4 Phantom,
I want to fly it fast as hell.
I want to sit it an open cockpit I want to hear those Commies yell.
One two three four one two three four
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 21, 2019 0:20:21 GMT
The F4 Phantom. Helluva of a weapons platform and proof positive that given enough thrust, a brick can fly!
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 21, 2019 0:27:05 GMT
JRG I served 4 years in the USAF and 2 years in the USN In the USAF I was a crew chief on F-4 Phantom jet fighters and was stationed in England for 2 1/2 years ( the CC was responsible for the safe flying condition of the aircraft, maintenance, fueling, pre and post flight inspections etc ) I also went on temporary duty 7 times to Italy, Spain and Sardinia Also got a ride on a gunnery range mission in the back seat of my aircraft......real life Top Gun stuff and made the 4 years worth every minute ! I liked the Air Force, we were treated well and I made rank quickly, but when the time came to get out, I got out In the USN I was a crewman aboard a guided missile cruiser stationed in San Diego CA and served in the deck division before moving on to the signal bridge where we utilized flashing light, semaphore and flag hoist for visual communications with other ships at sea Made a cruise to the Western Pacific with port calls in Hawaii, Midway Island, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Guam, Tonga, Samoa and Tahiti Although I didn't like the Navy, like the Air Force I did see some interesting places and had some interesting experiences like crossing the Equator ( I am a Shellback ) and International Date Line All in all, I'm glad that I served in both....went into the Air Force in 1968 as a punk kid high school dropout and as it was the height of the Vietnam war was very fortunate to even be accepted. I got to work on and around jet fighters which I really liked The best part is that while my ship was in the Navy yard at Long Beach, CA I met my wife to be 3 months before getting out. 43 years later I'm still glad I joined the Navy for that reason The military has it's pros and cons and you need to do your homework before joining but, IMO go for it I've met several guys over the years who regret that they didn't serve in the military. It's not all fun and games, but there are opportunities that you won't find in civilian life and if you don't like it, you can get out when your time is up For me, it was a great experience and I would do it again, even the Navy When we left Viet Nam we made a stopover in Manila and spent the night at an Air Force base. We, of course, slept in a barracks. Those Air Force guys had freaking apartments! |
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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2019 2:04:11 GMT
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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2019 2:12:49 GMT
In that case, you are an invader. As is the case now with the US and the other members of the Five Eyes group invading the Middle East on the back of a jacked up story of the alleged 9-11 perpetrators (for which there is no evidence) and so-called 'weapons of mass destruction', also a jacked up story. Did someone tell you life is fair? We know that life isn't fair. Some people are born deformed or at least debilitated in some way for no apparent reason, while others are born healthy.
A drunk driver can kill innocent children at a school road crossing. Some other young person looking forward to a life of scholarly achievement after excelling in exams is suddenly taken by cancer.
None of the above is fair. But it's a lot different that those who plot war and bloodshed to fatten their bank balances using bullshit excuses with no evidence for them, inducing well-meaning citizens to shoot guns at the (currently designated) enemy, under the guise of 'patriotism' and 'serving one's country'.
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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2019 3:47:28 GMT
JRG I served 4 years in the USAF and 2 years in the USN In the USAF I was a crew chief on F-4 Phantom jet fighters and was stationed in England for 2 1/2 years ( the CC was responsible for the safe flying condition of the aircraft, maintenance, fueling, pre and post flight inspections etc ) I also went on temporary duty 7 times to Italy, Spain and Sardinia Also got a ride on a gunnery range mission in the back seat of my aircraft......real life Top Gun stuff and made the 4 years worth every minute ! I liked the Air Force, we were treated well and I made rank quickly, but when the time came to get out, I got out In the USN I was a crewman aboard a guided missile cruiser stationed in San Diego CA and served in the deck division before moving on to the signal bridge where we utilized flashing light, semaphore and flag hoist for visual communications with other ships at sea Made a cruise to the Western Pacific with port calls in Hawaii, Midway Island, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Guam, Tonga, Samoa and Tahiti Although I didn't like the Navy, like the Air Force I did see some interesting places and had some interesting experiences like crossing the Equator ( I am a Shellback ) and International Date Line All in all, I'm glad that I served in both....went into the Air Force in 1968 as a punk kid high school dropout and as it was the height of the Vietnam war was very fortunate to even be accepted. I got to work on and around jet fighters which I really liked The best part is that while my ship was in the Navy yard at Long Beach, CA I met my wife to be 3 months before getting out. 43 years later I'm still glad I joined the Navy for that reason The military has it's pros and cons and you need to do your homework before joining but, IMO go for it I've met several guys over the years who regret that they didn't serve in the military. It's not all fun and games, but there are opportunities that you won't find in civilian life and if you don't like it, you can get out when your time is up For me, it was a great experience and I would do it again, even the Navy I have the utmost respect for those such as yourself Matey, who have served in the armed forces for all the right reasons, or even if they saw no other way for meaning in their lives at the time. Perhaps to learn a trade.
WWII was the last time on this planet that enlistment was ultimately justified (in warfare terms), in order to send the Japanese back to their home islands, and eliminate the threat that Hitler posed in Europe and Russia etc.
That America supported Hitler in the 30's and his regime via industry (IBM Hollerith machines and punch card technology, oil etc) and via Nazi doctrine re American Eugenics is a blight on American history and pseudo-history and declassified documents over the years are evidence that persons in the powers-that-be colluded with the enemy while others such as yourself were losing their lives fighting those on the other side who were no more aware of the true nature of things than any other common serviceman.
In other words, a large conglomerate of military personnel fighting another similar conglomerate while the "boys at the top" manipulated things around to their own benefit and played both sides.
After WWII and the emergence of those thugs the CIA in 1947, no country in the world outside of the Five Eyes group who wanted to run things their own way were free of American CIA interference to the eventual overthrow of basically democratic process and the installation of vicious dictatorial regimes such as Pinochet and even Saddam Hussein in Iraq who were more conducive to corporate plundering.
Even Pearl Harbour was jacked up to a certain extent, justifiably in my opinion, but others followed to the present day including 9-11 and the "War On Terror".
One of our ex-prime minsters told the American PTB (or their minions) that if the US wanted to stop global terrorism, they should stop their own terrorism for a start. He at least had the guts to say it.
The Middle East is oil-rich and of strategic importance in the global scheme of things. America uses about a quarter of the world's resources with less than one twentieth of the world's population.
That's what war is about, post WWII. Money and resources.
If it was WWII and I was old enough to fight the Japanese, I would have joined the Navy no problem. But unless one is joining the military to learn a trade or skill that will hopefully serve him well in civvy street (assuming his job's not been taken and given to a Chinese or Indian) I wouldn't bother supporting the oil cartels and their offspring via shooting at someone I don't know.
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Post by Alan OldStudent on Jun 21, 2019 5:23:42 GMT
......That America supported Hitler in the 30's and his regime via industry (IBM Hollerith machines and punch card technology, oil etc) and via Nazi doctrine re American Eugenics is a blight on American history and pseudo-history and declassified documents over the years are evidence that persons in the powers-that-be colluded with the enemy while others such as yourself were losing their lives fighting those on the other side who were no more aware of the true nature of things than any other common serviceman.
In other words, a large conglomerate of military personnel fighting another similar conglomerate while the "boys at the top" manipulated things around to their own benefit and played both sides.
After WWII and the emergence of those thugs the CIA in 1947, no country in the world outside of the Five Eyes group who wanted to run things their own way were free of American CIA interference to the eventual overthrow of basically democratic process and the installation of vicious dictatorial regimes such as Pinochet and even Saddam Hussein in Iraq who were more conducive to corporate plundering.
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The Middle East is oil-rich and of strategic importance in the global scheme of things. America uses about a quarter of the world's resources with less than one twentieth of the world's population.
That's what war is about, post WWII. Money and resources.
War is about control of marketplaces and resources. All that blather about how the other side doesn't respect life or our democratic ideals are hogwash. It's a con to get our working-class young men and women to kill other working-class young men and women in the "enemy" country. Really, our enemies are the corporations who marshal the world's youth to commit organized mass murder. They treat us like chumps and cynically fill our heads with all kinds of reasons to kill fellow working people in other lands. Down with the war machine!
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