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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 13, 2019 0:00:08 GMT
Also I think he said he is Israeli, which means Military Service and unless Israel is different from any other country the physical training would involve more than Isometrics. Silverlooks is Lebanese. Why would Silverlooks be speaking Arabic to Israelis?
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 13, 2019 0:14:26 GMT
Also I think he said he is Israeli, which means Military Service and unless Israel is different from any other country the physical training would involve more than Isometrics. Silverlooks is Lebanese. Why would Silverlooks be speaking Arabic to Israelis? Thank you, I did say that I stand to be corrected. Also I believe Lebanon has a form National Service? Israelis can speak and understand Arabic, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 13, 2019 0:41:46 GMT
I'll tell ya something. I was in high school during the isometric craze of the early to mid 60's. There was a Japanese guy (80% of my school was Japanese and Chinese) in my PE class who was noticeably muscular. I asked him if he worked out and he said, no, that he'd been doing ten minutes of isometrics every morning for over a year. He showed me some of the exercises he did, and then I started doing them in the morning. But back then I had the attention span of a gnat and I didn't build 18" arms in two weeks, so I gave up. This is actually the perfect test case as this guy had never exercised before, so he was solely isometrics-built. He was quite muscular and had developed some noticeable size. Not huge, but bigger than most.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 13, 2019 0:46:52 GMT
Mr A has made a very good point. This is not directed to Silverlooks but I will direct it to myself to make a general point. Some people ask me what I am doing regarding training and this may be a period of my life when I am doing Isometrics, calisthenics, power crusher, the Hook, grip training etc and not using weights. They say I cannot believe you have gotten that strong or gained that size doing any one of the above. And my answer is I did not get it from those things. I lifted weights for over forty years and that is where my baseline comes from. It is easy to look at what I am doing for a short period of time and assign my gains to that. It is like the old ads in Muscle and Fitness where Arnold was using a power twister or Zane was using that blue X shaped rubber expander with handles. My friends and I thought that was the secret they used to get those Olympia level physiques. No it was years of hard training, genetics and chemical enhancements. Not the implement of the month. That is why so many YouTube trainers do videos without shirts. They want you to jump to the immediate conclusion that they look like that because of what they are pitching to the public at that time. It gives them instant authority and credibility to many that do not know any different. I am not knocking Silverlooks or his training methods, if he has done all that with just Isometrics and no other form of training in the past fair play to him. He has a great build and I am not knocking him for it.
The thing that has always bugged me is when people misquote others and how they got their muscles, how many times do people claim for example that Bruce Lee only got his physique through Isometrics. From what I have read on Bruce Lee he was a training fanatic and Isometrics only played a small part in his training, but people blow it all out of proportion, because they trying to sell a course on Isometrics. As for youtube guys I think Elliott Hulse is about one of the most down to earth and honest trainers on there and he is the real deal IMO.
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Post by Michael on Jun 13, 2019 1:30:30 GMT
Good posts Mr. Average and Stormshadow. I started this thread to start a discussion not to discredit anyone. I do believe that a well thought out isometric training plan with a good diet can get some very lean. It's not the magic pill. I'm not in Silverlooks league built wise. I do believe he can stay in that kind of shape with isometrics alone and my hats off to him. No matter what isometric protocol I used I lost weight and size. Even when I did the 30-30-30 protocol I lost weight. For myself a steady diet of isometrics never built size.
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Post by Alan OldStudent on Jun 13, 2019 6:18:56 GMT
Also I think he said he is Israeli, which means Military Service and unless Israel is different from any other country the physical training would involve more than Isometrics. Silverlooks is Lebanese. Why would Silverlooks be speaking Arabic to Israelis? I did not know Silverlooks was Lebanese, but until 2018, when Hebrew was declared the sole official language of Israel, Arabic was also an official language. About 20% of Israelis are Arabic and speak Arabic as their native tongue, although most also speak fluent Hebrew. Check this article out.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 13, 2019 6:43:03 GMT
If you numpties would read the link that SL provided earlier in this thread, you'd find his answer to Michael's question in that thread and then you wouldn't embarrass yourselves with presumptuous posts:
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 13, 2019 7:50:29 GMT
I'll tell ya something. I was in high school during the isometric craze of the early to mid 60's. There was a Japanese guy (80% of my school was Japanese and Chinese) in my PE class who was noticeably muscular. I asked him if he worked out and he said, no, that he'd been doing ten minutes of isometrics every morning for over a year. He showed me some of the exercises he did, and then I started doing them in the morning. But back then I had the attention span of a gnat and I didn't build 18" arms in two weeks, so I gave up. This is actually the perfect test case as this guy had never exercised before, so he was solely isometrics-built. He was quite muscular and had developed some noticeable size. Not huge, but bigger than most.Yeah. TUT is TUT. That's what muscles respond to, time under tension. They don't recognize high reps, low reps or no reps. They don't recognize 1 set or 100 sets. They don't recognize full ROM, partial ROM or no ROM. They don't have a clue what tool you're using or not using to create the tension. For the purpose of building muscle, they only respond to time under tension (and, obviously, good nutrition and sufficient rest). Nothing else.
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Post by Michael on Jun 13, 2019 10:51:05 GMT
Here was the answer Silverlooks gave me: "Yes I had practiced weight training then calisthenics before and I had good shape. But for 8 months before training with isometrics I had not trained at all, because I had a neck injury in a vertebrate disc which caused great pain in right shoulder, lat, & arm when I tried to exercise. So I got in bad shape lost a lot of muscle size and definition. Isometrics were the only type of exercise I dared to try and it was a new concept to me so I was curious about it too."
I like and agree with what Silverlooks wrote here: "I have nothing against any exercise method, as the real worldwide concern should be urging people to DO exercise because their neuro-muscular health and longevity is dependent upon it." Much respect to Silverlooks what he accomplished with isometrics. I mainly posted this to divert some attention to training.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 13, 2019 12:01:02 GMT
Here was the answer Silverlooks gave me: "Yes I had practiced weight training then calisthenics before and I had good shape. But for 8 months before training with isometrics I had not trained at all, because I had a neck injury in a vertebrate disc which caused great pain in right shoulder, lat, & arm when I tried to exercise. So I got in bad shape lost a lot of muscle size and definition. Isometrics were the only type of exercise I dared to try and it was a new concept to me so I was curious about it too." I like and agree with what Silverlooks wrote here: "I have nothing against any exercise method, as the real worldwide concern should be urging people to DO exercise because their neuro-muscular health and longevity is dependent upon it." Much respect to Silverlooks what he accomplished with isometrics. I mainly posted this to divert some attention to training. So he used isometrics to get back to where he was before the injury and it was the weight training and bodyweight exercises that gave him the muscles in the first place. Thank You for letting us know.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 13, 2019 12:34:09 GMT
Yesterday I had a DEXA-SCAN measuring my body fat, lean muscle mass and their distribution. I had one done two months earlier.
My body weight was relatively unchanged (less than one pound difference) but I lost body fat and added lean body mass. I’ll share more in a future Pierini Fitness blog post and sooner with my cyberspace fitness training partner.
This is an objective measure that confirms the effectiveness of my current training. Anyone who wants to confirm if they’re building muscle and evaluate the effectiveness of their training methods, should have one done.
It’s affordable.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 13, 2019 13:02:45 GMT
I hope strength tests are a sufficient way to determine if your workouts are worthwhile . Of course , weighing yourself is also a good tell.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 13, 2019 13:28:36 GMT
Here was the answer Silverlooks gave me: "Yes I had practiced weight training then calisthenics before and I had good shape. But for 8 months before training with isometrics I had not trained at all, because I had a neck injury in a vertebrate disc which caused great pain in right shoulder, lat, & arm when I tried to exercise. So I got in bad shape lost a lot of muscle size and definition. Isometrics were the only type of exercise I dared to try and it was a new concept to me so I was curious about it too." I like and agree with what Silverlooks wrote here: "I have nothing against any exercise method, as the real worldwide concern should be urging people to DO exercise because their neuro-muscular health and longevity is dependent upon it." Much respect to Silverlooks what he accomplished with isometrics. I mainly posted this to divert some attention to training. So he used isometrics to get back to where he was before the injury and it was the weight training and bodyweight exercises that gave him the muscles in the first place. Thank You for letting us know. Went back and exceeded my previous fitness level (strength, muscle mass).
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 13, 2019 13:30:59 GMT
I explained all about overcoming isometrics to him and got him a forearm forklift and even let him use my Hook/Strap for a workout. Tears. You've brought tears to my eyes. You're a Saint! A Saint!! yes, see my Hook is my precious baby.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 13, 2019 13:34:20 GMT
Yeah. TUT is TUT. That's what muscles respond to, time under tension. They don't recognize high reps, low reps or no reps. They don't recognize 1 set or 100 sets. They don't recognize full ROM, partial ROM or no ROM. They don't have a clue what tool you're using or not using to create the tension. For the purpose of building muscle, they only respond to time under tension (and, obviously, good nutrition and sufficient rest). Nothing else. AMEN
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