Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2019 20:28:55 GMT
What are Your thoughts?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 21:21:34 GMT
I'll tell ya something. I was in high school during the isometric craze of the early to mid 60's. There was a Japanese guy (80% of my school was Japanese and Chinese) in my PE class who was noticeably muscular. I asked him if he worked out and he said, no, that he'd been doing ten minutes of isometrics every morning for over a year. He showed me some of the exercises he did, and then I started doing them in the morning. But back then I had the attention span of a gnat and I didn't build 18" arms in two weeks, so I gave up.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2019 21:33:09 GMT
I honestly like isometrics and think someone could get muscular doing them but Your diet has to be decent. I just don't believe the size thing without proof. They are an excellent way to exercise but not the magic pill for everyone. Bruce, I was the same way when I was introduced to the weights. All that I had to read was the Muscular Development and Muscle & Fitness magazines. I was Young, didn't know any better, and I never knew of the internet until I was probably in my late 30's.
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 9, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
I prefer "dynamic isometrics" - slow movements with muscle tension close to max isometric one. It looks that the guy in video on Murakami thread uses similar method.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 9, 2019 22:05:06 GMT
www.imdb.com/title/tt0073092/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv
According to Walter Hill, Charles Bronson "was in remarkable physical condition for a guy his age; I think he was about 52 at the time. He had excellent coordination, and a splendid build. His one problem was that he was a smoker, so he didn't have a lot of stamina. I mean, he probably could have kicked anybody's ass on that movie, but he couldn't fight much longer than 30 or 40 seconds."
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2019 22:36:00 GMT
Bob the guy had dumbbells in the background. Do You really believe he built his physique with just the tension stuff? Guarantee You, he built his base with those DBs. Just like You, I and everyone else. We all either tried or used weights before. So did Charles Bronson. Thanks Mr. Average for posting that article.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 9, 2019 23:38:32 GMT
With long duration holds & genuine intensity they do. Of course the thing you're pulling/pushing against should be safe (no slip/break) and has comfortable grip, like the hook/iso strap.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 9, 2019 23:53:35 GMT
Steve Maxwell recently produced a course for muscular development via bodyweight yielding isometrics. Poses are held till momentary muscular failure. The concept is so simple yet so effective. I have tried it myself for some workouts.
The TSC protocol for overcoming isometrics and MMF for bodyweight yielding isometrics are necessary to induce Hypertrophy.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 9, 2019 23:57:19 GMT
When I think building muscle, the word mass comes to mind which generally includes added weight unless you’re doing a recomp and adding muscle mass while lowering body fat which isn’t the easiest thing to do. Diet must be stellar. And if you don’t have reliable measures, like a DEXA-SCAN body fat analysis, it’s your perception against the next guy’s.
Not that easy in my opinion, particularly for the old turds here and there are many and you know who I’m talking about.
By the way, I’m getting a DEXA-SCAN done on Wednesday because I can’t depend on my perception even though my mirror tells me I look MAH-VAH-LUSS.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 10, 2019 0:36:10 GMT
I enjoy the strength building benefits ( and perhaps health benefits)of yielding isometrics ; no gazing in mirrors or taking body measurements are necessary.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 10, 2019 1:57:28 GMT
I would say, not much.
Isometrics are great for strength. I think hypertrophy comes mainly from the eccentric portion of muscle movement. True isometrics have no lengthening phase for the muscle.
If the above is true and in my opinion it is, then it would follow that yeilding isometrics in which there is lengthening of the muscle (eccentric) takes place is a better stimulus for hypertrophy than traditional isometrics. Even then I think traditional reps with resistance are superior to any isometric method.
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Post by macky on Jun 10, 2019 7:25:23 GMT
I think most trainers here would agree that weights will put more muscle bulk on your frame than isometrics.
Given that, both overcoming and yielding isometrics will still build muscle, and in my limited experience, the muscles will be harder than I remember when I was weight training.
Male gymnasts' upper bodies are a good indication of how yielding isometrics coupled with some bodyweight on the rings can build extraordinary development. Silverlooks is the star re isometrics on this forum.
I haven't gone for muscle development, but the time I've been doing mainly overcoming isometrics I've put a bit of muscle on. The clothes fit more snug now, and that could also be straightened posture as well.
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Post by jonrock on Jun 10, 2019 11:20:23 GMT
Steve Maxwell recently produced a course for muscular development via bodyweight yielding isometrics. Poses are held till momentary muscular failure. The concept is so simple yet so effective. I have tried it myself for some workouts. The TSC protocol for overcoming isometrics and MMF for bodyweight yielding isometrics are necessary to induce Hypertrophy. I have bought Maxwell's advanced isometrics video, haven't had the time to study it in full. Silverlooks, you look big and strong in the photo of your avatar. Could you detail your diet and current workout(and its variations)?
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 10, 2019 12:17:03 GMT
Steve Maxwell recently produced a course for muscular development via bodyweight yielding isometrics. Poses are held till momentary muscular failure. The concept is so simple yet so effective. I have tried it myself for some workouts. The TSC protocol for overcoming isometrics and MMF for bodyweight yielding isometrics are necessary to induce Hypertrophy. I have bought Maxwell's advanced isometrics video, haven't had the time to study it in full. Silverlooks, you look big and strong in the photo of your avatar. Could you detail your diet and current workout(and its variations)? Hi jonrock, I was referring to Maxwell's more recent yielding isometrics exclusive workout, I don't have the advanced isometrics video. My workout/diet is very basic, overcoming isometrics exclusively (with trials to some other methods, but not weight lifting), below are details: sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/303/weeks-long-duration-isometrics-results?page=5I believe bodyweight yielding isos have great potential in hypertrophy as well if exercises are held till MMF. I tried many exercises and had a fantastic full body workout. It's highly probable i'll have an exclusive bodyweight yielding isos phase in the future. Long ago I read about a group of male Yogis with impressive body shape claiming they built it purely by holding strength yoga poses for long duration, like four-limbed staff pose, chair pose, bent-arm downdog (Pike) updog, dolphin, crow, airplane squat, full locust, L-sit, etc... (Henry can help us here). Holding these poses til MMF can be a great workout. Of course you still need vertical and horizontal bar (or ring) hangs as pulling exercises. I'm also very interested in Kin Shi-Hai Do, Bruce has a comprehensive and very well written course on KSHD which is oddly FREE too. Bruce, do you have extra exercises to update the course ? I think you or someone mentioned KSHD deadlifts (not in the course). Are they possible/effective ?
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Post by jonrock on Jun 10, 2019 13:05:52 GMT
I have bought Maxwell's advanced isometrics video, haven't had the time to study it in full. Silverlooks, you look big and strong in the photo of your avatar. Could you detail your diet and current workout(and its variations)? Hi jonrock, I was referring to Maxwell's more recent yielding isometrics exclusive workout, I don't have the advanced isometrics video. My workout/diet is very basic, overcoming isometrics exclusively (with trials to some other methods, but not weight lifting), below are details: sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/303/weeks-long-duration-isometrics-results?page=5I believe bodyweight yielding isos have great potential in hypertrophy as well if exercises are held till MMF. I tried many exercises and had a fantastic full body workout. It's highly probable i'll have an exclusive bodyweight yielding isos phase in the future. Long ago I read about a group of male Yogis with impressive body shape claiming they built it purely by holding strength yoga poses for long duration, like four-limbed staff pose, chair pose, bent-arm downdog (Pike) updog, dolphin, crow, airplane squat, full locust, L-sit, etc... (Henry can help us here). Holding these poses til MMF can be a great workout. Of course you still need vertical and horizontal bar (or ring) hangs as pulling exercises. I'm also very interested in Kin Shi-Hai Do, Bruce has a comprehensive and very well written course on KSHD which is oddly FREE too. Bruce, do you have extra exercises to update the course ? I think you or someone mentioned KSHD deadlifts (not in the course). Are they possible/effective ? Thanks for the answer. You seem bigger than in your previous photos, have you tested your strength?
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