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Post by Mr Average on May 3, 2019 11:59:57 GMT
I'm not convinced that any exercises work the abs particularly well unless you actually engage the ab muscles. All to easy to let other muscles take the strain. Particularly, I think any non-core specific exercises like overhead lifts, squats etc really don't do anything for the abs unless you actually engage them. I don't know myself, all I know is that after a day at work I feel it in my abs the same as any of the other muscles in my body, except for calves and forearms. My calves and forearms never feel sore.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 3, 2019 14:55:49 GMT
I checked out Ross' info and found a couple interesting things. It appears that this type of explosive/ballistic training is the price professional competitors must be willing to pay with their body in order to win. Here's what I found: Gennady Golovkin's Neck Training - A True ProfessionalWritten by Ross on October 17th, 2016. Strength Training For Pro Competition Fighters :Even though I'm far from a professional exercise anything, there are many tips in that list that I use or can use. Not ab focused, but THIS looks like fun. I might make some for my grandkids too.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on May 3, 2019 20:34:12 GMT
Dave and Yourself pretty much summed it up. Mikey, , my back was hurting watching him too. Yeah, they do some ballistic stuff. Some people's body's get use to that stuff and they can do it longer than others. But must pay the price in the end. If You look at some of the boxers when they get older You will see that. When You push your body to the limits all the time it's usually not a good recipe. Here's a couple of ab workouts from a boxer and an MMA fighter.
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Post by CaptainKronos on May 4, 2019 12:20:17 GMT
The only move that ever worked for my abs was moving away from carbohydrates.
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Post by jrmeatplow on May 4, 2019 12:35:54 GMT
When we drill alternating single X-Guard and Hip Bump sweeps my abs get totally smoked. It taught me that I better start doing some sit-ups and leg raises in a hurry or I would be in constant misery. The first night we did the guard drill for 3 minutes for as many reps as possible it fully exhausted me for the rest of the night. You can brace and do all that stuff but when you actually have to start doing something athletic you'll understand in a hurry. Some people work their gut for other purposes than looks or bracing for when they carry a gallon of milk.
Thinman, thanks for that video you posted with the ab mat. Thats basically the position you start from when doing the hip bump sweep from guard. I'm going to do that one!
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Post by mr potatohead on May 4, 2019 13:11:13 GMT
...... Some people's body's get use to that stuff and they can do it longer than others. But must pay the price in the end. If You look at some of the boxers when they get older You will see that. When You push your body to the limits all the time it's usually not a good recipe. ....... Some years ago (2013), I read an article by Steve Maxwell that helped me understand and, consequently, began to open up to alternative ways to accomplish TUT, and then, to moderate the exercises I do and how I do them. I think the article may have been THIS ONE. Here's a blurb from that ^ article, "How To Eat For Increased Muscle Mass", March 13, 2013: Due to that info, I eventually stopped beating myself up as if I was going to be paid to exercise or compete professionally as my career path and main source of income. For the non-competitor, trying to exercise like the pros demonstrate in so many youtubes, is just nuts and injuries following should be no surprise, IMO. I no longer pay much attention to what someone like Gennady does with the idea that I'm going to try to do the same thing. For example; At first, I tried to emulate people I saw doing straight bar DLs, but, even though I knew in my head what form was required, I had no trainer to criticize my form for that performance stunt and hurt myself which is why I'm now so against doing any of the stunt-type exercises and why I built my lifting tool to pull up from between my legs as a human normally would or to lift weights in each hand as if picking up heavy suitcases or using a trap bar.
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pierinifitness
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Post by pierinifitness on May 4, 2019 13:30:37 GMT
I do zero direct ab work.
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Post by CaptainKronos on May 4, 2019 17:22:34 GMT
I do zero direct ab work. That's going on my tombstone.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on May 4, 2019 17:42:45 GMT
...... Some people's body's get use to that stuff and they can do it longer than others. But must pay the price in the end. If You look at some of the boxers when they get older You will see that. When You push your body to the limits all the time it's usually not a good recipe. ....... Some years ago (2013), I read an article by Steve Maxwell that helped me understand and, consequently, began to open up to alternative ways to accomplish TUT, and then, to moderate the exercises I do and how I do them. I think the article may have been THIS ONE. Here's a blurb from that ^ article, "How To Eat For Increased Muscle Mass", March 13, 2013: Due to that info, I eventually stopped beating myself up as if I was going to be paid to exercise or compete professionally as my career path and main source of income. For the non-competitor, trying to exercise like the pros demonstrate in so many youtubes, is just nuts and injuries following should be no surprise, IMO. I no longer pay much attention to what someone like Gennady does with the idea that I'm going to try to do the same thing. For example; At first, I tried to emulate people I saw doing straight bar DLs, but, even though I knew in my head what form was required, I had no trainer to criticize my form for that performance stunt and hurt myself which is why I'm now so against doing any of the stunt-type exercises and why I built my lifting tool to pull up from between my legs as a human normally would or to lift weights in each hand as if picking up heavy suitcases or using a trap bar. Makes sense Mikey. That's one reason I stayed away from deadlifts. Because of MBS and Yourself I found a exercise that I never thought I'd ever do or like because of my back history. My oldest son bought some Olympic weights and a trap bar. I've been meaning to mention this but it had slipped my mind. Kettlebell swings are a favorite exercise of mine. But the trap bar has become one of my favorites. The first time I tried them I was surprised how good my back felt especially the next morning. So I Thank MBS and Yourself for mentioning this stuff.
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Post by Michael on May 4, 2019 17:46:54 GMT
When we drill alternating single X-Guard and Hip Bump sweeps my abs get totally smoked. It taught me that I better start doing some sit-ups and leg raises in a hurry or I would be in constant misery. The first night we did the guard drill for 3 minutes for as many reps as possible it fully exhausted me for the rest of the night. You can brace and do all that stuff but when you actually have to start doing something athletic you'll understand in a hurry. Some people work their gut for other purposes than looks or bracing for when they carry a gallon of milk. Thinman, thanks for that video you posted with the ab mat. Thats basically the position you start from when doing the hip bump sweep from guard. I'm going to do that one! JRMP, I know You do some KB work. Have You ever done Turkish Get Ups? I have no right to give You advice, but I think this may help. If You do them with a hip bridge your abs will get pretty strong.
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Post by Michael on May 4, 2019 17:56:22 GMT
I do zero direct ab work. Good genetics, . I would never have believed this in the past. I just do it when I feel like it but most of the KB work I do works pretty good. Diet and genetics play a part in the visable aspect.
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Post by jrmeatplow on May 4, 2019 18:22:22 GMT
When we drill alternating single X-Guard and Hip Bump sweeps my abs get totally smoked. It taught me that I better start doing some sit-ups and leg raises in a hurry or I would be in constant misery. The first night we did the guard drill for 3 minutes for as many reps as possible it fully exhausted me for the rest of the night. You can brace and do all that stuff but when you actually have to start doing something athletic you'll understand in a hurry. Some people work their gut for other purposes than looks or bracing for when they carry a gallon of milk. Thinman, thanks for that video you posted with the ab mat. Thats basically the position you start from when doing the hip bump sweep from guard. I'm going to do that one! JRMP, I know You do some KB work. Have You ever done Turkish Get Ups? I have no right to give You advice, but I think this may help. If You do them with a hip bridge your abs will get pretty strong. Yeah, I've done a bunch of them. They're ok for what they're for. I worked up to 115lbs on a barbell for 5 reps on each arm. They don't give me what I need for the sitting up action thats required for my sport.
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Post by pierinifitness on May 5, 2019 6:03:29 GMT
I do zero direct ab work. Good genetics, . I would never have believed this in the past. I just do it when I feel like it but most of the KB work I do works pretty good. Diet and genetics play a part in the visable aspect. Michael, I believe it’s mostly diet. We all have abs it’s just some of us prefer to wrap them in fat. I had mine wrapped for a while until I reported to Pierini Fitness boot camp.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 5, 2019 13:16:10 GMT
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Post by Michael on May 5, 2019 14:36:57 GMT
I've done the stomach vacuum in the past for long stretches. This is an exercise that will cause great debate between people on forums, , if Texas was here. I've never had a problem with it and I believe Fred Hutch has used it. I think the problem is when someone just does this and tries to do it when lifting. My opinion, the exercise itself doesn't cause back problems, it's doing stupid stuff that causes. When You lift You have to brace, You can not do the vacuum while lifting. This is exactly true in my opinion,"This is exciting news, but it does come along with some pre-requisites which are pre-established clean eating habits, adequate water intake, and a low to moderate bodyfat percentage. Depending on how you hold your weight, anywhere from 12 to 15% and less is acceptable."
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