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Post by MBS on Apr 28, 2019 22:21:35 GMT
A good video. I applied his approach to doing chins, completely locking out ( like hanging on the bar for grip work ) on each rep, and it cut my numbers over half. But I’ve gotten much better results doing this. I had never really been engaging my lats before.
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Post by Michael on Apr 28, 2019 22:58:23 GMT
Agree to MBS. I would be lying if I said I never chased numbers with push ups and pull ups in the past. Eventually, this will cause an injury. It may take longer for some than others. For me just slowing the movement down has made a big difference. I like making some movements like push ups and pull ups harder by using tension, changing the leverage, adding resistance, or slowing down. When You pay attention to what You're doing instead of pumping out reps You will see better results in the long run.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Apr 29, 2019 0:37:23 GMT
Chasing numbers is a natural thing with bodyweight. It's the equivalent of "what's your bench?".
With bodyweight training, making the exercise more difficult is the way to progress you strength. Multiple sets and reps of course do provide conditioning and other metabolic benefit. Of course the possible downside is overuse injuries.
The video is good. The only disagreement I would have with it, is for some touching the chest to the ground can put a lot of stress on the shoulder joint. It becomes a catch 22, do you want to minimize stress on the shoulder joint, or work the pushup to it's fullest. Those with thick chests and short forearms will never have an issue while skinny dudes with long forearms may run into issues.
It's funny how now so many tell us not to lock out lifts due to the stress on the joints, or to keep stress on the muscle. I think a lot of that is bro science at best. A full range of motion is always harder than a limited one. Vince Gironda preached full range of motion exercises.
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Post by MBS on Apr 29, 2019 1:19:37 GMT
^^^^^^ I thought the same thing when he mentions braking parallel and touching your chest to floor ^^^^^^
I remember Parker posting an informative article about how much stress is created on the shoulder cap when we do that.
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Post by trog on Apr 29, 2019 8:34:48 GMT
I only chase numbers in pull-ups. I don't do push-ups very often, but when I do I stick to 15-20, even though there are plenty more in the bag. I much more interested in perfect form for each rep and working through the full range of motion. 10-12 reps I think is ideal. If I can regularly to more than 12, it is time to up the weight or make the exercise harder.
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Post by keith on Apr 29, 2019 12:15:13 GMT
Ages ago, in another life, I chased numbers on most if not all my bodyweight exercises, I did okay such as 123 to 124 in one set on my standard pushups. Hindu squats, I got to 500 in 15 minutes, handstand pushups I got to 23 in each set, stuff like that, nothing record breaking but fine for me.
These days I don't chase numbers at all, yes I try to improve on the exercises I am, which are mostly weights now but I think it's best to try and improve in an exercise than chasing numbers, by improving I mean in the way the exercise is executed.
Would I go back to chasing numbers who knows but in the foreseeable future no.
Well not to the extent that I used to.
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Post by justregularguy on Apr 30, 2019 10:18:19 GMT
Gotta forget the ego and do quality reps. Blasting out high numbers of reps with poor form is a waste of time and I don't get the same muscle activation
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 14:35:36 GMT
Numbers are good for goal setting but if there isn't quality to go with it, are the numbers even worth it?
The quality of the reps plus the form varies from different people as well because quality form for one could possibly injure another because no one has the same way of moving.
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Post by dynoman on Apr 30, 2019 19:11:58 GMT
A very good video, I to myself was guilty of rep chasing for years, since having my back to back shoulder surgeries, I have changed things big time, when I do my push ups, much slower, go down to where my arms are parrell and don’t lick out at the top, I have noticed the difference keeping the tension on the chest throughout the movement, MBS I have question for you , I remember you mentioned you were doing dips and I believe bw squats or pistols in your workouts , do you apply the same principle that you do to your pull ups to dips and bw squats or pistols to? Thank you for any information
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Post by stormshadow on Apr 30, 2019 19:50:00 GMT
Yes, I believe that is why I have lifted weights for over 50 years and I am not busted up. Slow controlled reps, no yanking or jerking. Momentum is an enemy. I view all exercise as a form of moving meditation. Also, important to control the ego. I was guilty of this for a while when I was younger. You are not doing things in the gym to impress others, you are there to impress yourself. Also, I think that you must train all the muscle groups and not just your favorite body parts. The balance, besides contributing to symmetry and better strength profiles, also helps to prevent injury. I also believe in flexibility and stretching and joint mobility. There are those that think it is a waste of time. I do not. Also warm up is key. I do a two phase warmup. One is a light aerobic activity like walking, biking or whatever you like to raise your core body temperature. The other is that I always do one light calibration set to provide a movement specific warm up also. And rest and recuperation is also very important, along with a healthy eating plan.
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Post by Dave Reslo on May 1, 2019 0:31:37 GMT
Completely disagree with this video, lots of people I've come across have impressive arms based on very short range of motion pushups (less than half what he's doing) and lots of people find going all the way down like that bothers their shoulders. Imagine somebody told you you could only get bigger thighs by squatting ass-to-grass or a stronger back by deadlifting from a deficit. You would dismiss it off-hand as nonsense. But, when it comes to arm exercises, people take it seriously.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 1, 2019 0:49:59 GMT
One of the points JC makes often is the "full ROM" BS. Not only does a person not need full ROM, they don't need much movement at all, nor sets and reps. Just need TUT when the muscles a person wants to exercise are loaded and tensed, so partials work great.
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Post by jonrock on May 1, 2019 7:08:34 GMT
Regarding partials and full ROM, I agree. Partials are an incredible tool used by many strongmen:Zass attached to a harness lifting people, back lifts, Steve Justa's truck lifting, Kubik's rack training, etc... Full ROM in some cases is dangerous (dips past shoulder, pushups past shoulder and many more).
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Post by Mr Average on May 1, 2019 22:03:40 GMT
Well I only have 33/34 years of anything weight related myself and I have found that range of motion does not matter.
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Post by Dave Reslo on May 1, 2019 22:18:16 GMT
There are studies comparing athletes that seem to show different parts of muscle grow more or less depending on how they are used, and likewise for connective tissue growth. For most of us here though I can't imagine these differences being too significant, especially compared with keeping in good health.
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