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Post by macky on Apr 30, 2019 19:43:03 GMT
I'm sorry but you're not going to get away with that, Ben. Making extreme assertions that are simply not true.
The members of AMMII have often been extremely sympathetic to Peterson and his family, his members etc. In fact, there have been times when a member of TFM was in trouble or ill health and AMMII was the ONLY entity to offer condolences and helpful advice, while Mr Peterson completely ignored said member and kept on with another post, proving that he was not away from his forum.
Your statement "You can't stand him,.." is extreme. That implies that we hate the guy, and that is another fabrication. If you don't understand why we keep on monitoring TFM, then read my above post again, and you may gain a glimmer of understanding that through the Internet, Peterson is capable (and probably has) caused a lot of damage to various trainers. He has certainly caused injury, as those that followed his directions in his pushup booklet have attested. He has also referrenced notables as "discussing" with him various training methods that on enquiry with said notable's family were never true. The potential for bringing others' reputations into a bad light is alive and well with Peterson. He is patently dishonest.
If you believe that someone who has promoted a dangerous drug (for example) as a means towards "self-realization" should be left alone to continue, without some redress by others who are capable of discerning reality and the seriousness of the situation, then you are doing a dis-service to newbies who have no idea who and what Peterson really is, and who will call in to his site in good faith and perhaps follow his directions to their detriment.
As I've stated, AMMII is not all about exposing Peterson and his nonsense, and if you took the time to read the site you would find much discussion on other topics, plus training experience which you may learn from and even contribute to, yourself. Another of your exaggerations "..you spend time in your life doing nothing but trying to expose...etc" is also well off the mark, we all have very busy full lives which leave only a small amount of the day to address yet more forthcoming TFM distortions and false promises.
And finally, if you don't agree with anything that I've said above about Mr Peterson and his site, then please offer some constructive debate against what you believe not to be true.
I think I just struck a nerve. Cool. Say one positive thing about him, I triple dog dare you. You can't so you rant on how dishonest he is and has caused damage. Have you ever reported to authorities about what he has done? Have you sued him for false advertising? On the drug thing, yeah it was stupid yet I never fell into it. Think about what you just said here "AMM2 is not all about exposing Peterson and his nonsense" most of what I read, is exactly that and it is all talk, you don't do anything except talk. I doubt whether you are capable of understanding what I've just written, Ben. All of your responses is just all about you, and your attitudes etc. And that's okay, you're entitled to your own opinion.
But I have clearly outlined the reasons why AMMII continues (for one thing) to monitor and make fun of/expose/criticize much of what Peterson writes, and if you don't recognize that Peterson is a fraud, a literary thief, braggart, and false promiser, then it is no wonder that you are on here defending him by implication, and refusing to answer at my invitation sensible debate on my summaries of Peterson and TFM.
You yourself stated that you are sick of the religious bullshit, which you clearly recognized in Peterson and the TFM followers, yet you carried on for years involving yourself with it.
Why ? Did you, like Greg Newton for example, get sucked into the fantasy without realizing what you were getting into ? It seems that it took a long time for you to wake up to it all, and now you're on here defending the very man and regime that you have just admitted you're sick of, AND the reasons why.
One has to wonder what it is that you're really up to. You've already been found to have concocted a story that wasn't true. Did some of Peterson rub off on you ?
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Post by macky on Apr 30, 2019 19:58:08 GMT
My opinion is that Peterson is not mentally stable, a view shared by Greg Newton who let everyone know about it when he left Transformetrics.
I agree he is not mentally well and has been progressively getting worse over the years; kudos to you and yours' on your mockery of the mentally ill. Go ahead and justify your behavior based upon a crazy guys behavior, it says more about you than the mental ill guy. That forum reads like jilted lovers stalking the crazy lady that unjustly dumped them. Nobody on AMMII, myself included, enjoys that Peterson may be mentally disturbed. And you would know that if you read my above posts. That he may be mentally unstable is not the basis for our behavior at all, so please stop making judgements based on inaccurate observations, especially your rather silly last sentence.
That he may be mentally unstable does not mean that JP should be left alone to post his nonsense which has already caused consternation among families of those he has referenced. Many of the people JP has said that he has known and spoken to are now dead, and cannot answer for themselves. Those are still alive have refuted what JP allegedly asserted re his conversations with them and training methods etc.
That is demonstrated plain dishonest and fraudulent behavior, and it is now in the public domain via Peterson and TFM. Worldwide.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 20:27:14 GMT
I think I just struck a nerve. Cool. Say one positive thing about him, I triple dog dare you. You can't so you rant on how dishonest he is and has caused damage. Have you ever reported to authorities about what he has done? Have you sued him for false advertising? On the drug thing, yeah it was stupid yet I never fell into it. Think about what you just said here "AMM2 is not all about exposing Peterson and his nonsense" most of what I read, is exactly that and it is all talk, you don't do anything except talk. I doubt whether you are capable of understanding what I've just written, Ben. All of your responses is just all about you, and your attitudes etc. And that's okay, you're entitled to your own opinion.
But I have clearly outlined the reasons why AMMII continues (for one thing) to monitor and make fun of/expose/criticize much of what Peterson writes, and if you don't recognize that Peterson is a fraud, a literary thief, braggart, and false promiser, then it is no wonder that you are on here defending him by implication, and refusing to answer at my invitation sensible debate on my summaries of Peterson and TFM.
You yourself stated that you are sick of the religious bullshit, which you clearly recognized in Peterson and the TFM followers, yet you carried on for years involving yourself with it.
Why ? Did you, like Greg Newton for example, get sucked into the fantasy without realizing what you were getting into ? It seems that it took a long time for you to wake up to it all, and now you're on here defending the very man and regime that you have just admitted you're sick of, AND the reasons why.
One has to wonder what it is that you're really up to. You've already been found to have concocted a story that wasn't true. Did some of Peterson rub off on you ?
You want to know what I'm up to? All you have to do is ask. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know.
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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 30, 2019 21:03:07 GMT
No thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:05:08 GMT
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Post by macky on Apr 30, 2019 21:07:25 GMT
I doubt whether you are capable of understanding what I've just written, Ben. All of your responses is just all about you, and your attitudes etc. And that's okay, you're entitled to your own opinion.
But I have clearly outlined the reasons why AMMII continues (for one thing) to monitor and make fun of/expose/criticize much of what Peterson writes, and if you don't recognize that Peterson is a fraud, a literary thief, braggart, and false promiser, then it is no wonder that you are on here defending him by implication, and refusing to answer at my invitation sensible debate on my summaries of Peterson and TFM.
You yourself stated that you are sick of the religious bullshit, which you clearly recognized in Peterson and the TFM followers, yet you carried on for years involving yourself with it.
Why ? Did you, like Greg Newton for example, get sucked into the fantasy without realizing what you were getting into ? It seems that it took a long time for you to wake up to it all, and now you're on here defending the very man and regime that you have just admitted you're sick of, AND the reasons why.
One has to wonder what it is that you're really up to. You've already been found to have concocted a story that wasn't true. Did some of Peterson rub off on you ?
You want to know what I'm up to? All you have to do is ask. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know. It's the "almost" in your last sentence that is the questionable bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:12:13 GMT
You want to know what I'm up to? All you have to do is ask. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know. It's the "almost" in your last sentence that is the questionable bit. The reason why I say that is because he asked me not to talk about certain things about him, some of it is a health issue so I gave him my word I wouldn't talk about that kind of stuff. But anything else you want me to be upfront about I'll be happy to tell you, no bullshit, no agenda, no hiding.
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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 30, 2019 21:13:56 GMT
It's unnecessary for you to explain. It becomes progressively obvious with your every post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:14:48 GMT
It's unnecessary for you to explain. It becomes progressively obvious with your every post. Suit yourself bro.
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Post by MikeNY on Apr 30, 2019 21:27:27 GMT
You want to know what I'm up to? All you have to do is ask. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know. Any chance you could stop telling us stuff or is that too much for you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:28:46 GMT
You want to know what I'm up to? All you have to do is ask. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know. Any chance you could stop telling us stuff or is that too much for you? This stuff, be happy to.
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Post by MikeNY on Apr 30, 2019 21:32:46 GMT
Any chance you could stop telling us stuff or is that too much for you? This stuff, be happy to. What about the rest of it ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:42:43 GMT
What about the rest of it ? Training wise, I'll put in what I can and if helps somebody cool.
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Post by macky on Apr 30, 2019 21:55:30 GMT
It's the "almost" in your last sentence that is the questionable bit. The reason why I say that is because he asked me not to talk about certain things about him, some of it is a health issue so I gave him my word I wouldn't talk about that kind of stuff. But anything else you want me to be upfront about I'll be happy to tell you, no bullshit, no agenda, no hiding. I am in receipt of information from someone who I utterly trust without question, that some time ago you posted publicly on Facebook complaining about how Peterson had abused and used you. What hold did Peterson have over you that you ever continued to associate with him, even after a possible break ?
You could say that things have changed since then, but in fact you are currently apparently still unhappy with the "religious bullshit" etc, and stated that you have decided to leave and not go back to Peterson and TFM.
Why do I not believe you ?
You have already been found to be dishonest, for a start. A bullshit story in the same vein as JP. Secondly, my first post on this matter was in answer to Alan Oldstudent who I very much respect for his honesty and views on important matters and who I wanted to explain the specific reasons for our continued behavior re TFM, and the potential and actual damage that Peterson has caused/is causing.
Yet YOU jumped right in, defending Peterson while attempting to distance yourself (apparently) from him and his forum. On two counts your word is already not to be trusted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 22:08:30 GMT
The reason why I say that is because he asked me not to talk about certain things about him, some of it is a health issue so I gave him my word I wouldn't talk about that kind of stuff. But anything else you want me to be upfront about I'll be happy to tell you, no bullshit, no agenda, no hiding. I am in receipt of information from someone who I utterly trust without question, that some time ago you posted publicly on Facebook complaining about how Peterson had abused and used you. What hold did Peterson have over you that you ever continued to associate with him, even after a possible break ?
You could say that things have changed since then, but in fact you are currently apparently still unhappy with the "religious bullshit" etc, and stated that you have decided to leave and not go back to Peterson and TFM.
Why do I not believe you ?
You have already been found to be dishonest, for a start. A bullshit story in the same vein as JP. Secondly, my first post on this matter was in answer to Alan Oldstudent who I very much respect for his honesty and views on important matters and who I wanted to explain the specific reasons for our continued behavior re TFM, and the potential and actual damage that Peterson has caused/is causing.
Yet YOU jumped right in, defending Peterson while attempting to distance yourself (apparently) from him and his forum. On two counts your word is already not to be trusted.
Than to you I'm not to be trusted. Yeah I ranted about what he did. I can also forgive but it's impossible to forget. I'll stop defending, it's not getting anywhere and I'm not going on that forum anymore. Don't believe me, that's your choice. You say I'm dishonest, I have people outside of this that'll say otherwise so that's that. How about I propose that we stop talking about this, I'll give you my word I won't talk about it anymore and start fresh, if you're up for that I'm all for it but if you're not than I'm sorry you feel that way. You deserve better than my dishonesty and my BS.
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