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Post by Michael on Nov 24, 2018 0:24:44 GMT
I'm not saying these are perfect but I like the exercises and ideas. I know when Bruce sees the title he'll be looking,  . Maybe someone can get something they like out of these. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 24, 2018 1:57:36 GMT
This is like throwing out red meat to me.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 15:44:31 GMT
He forgets to add: perfect genetics and perhaps a little help from science...  |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 24, 2018 16:32:11 GMT
Actually, those are two very informative videos for those who didn't know this stuff. I've always been a proponent of doing multiple arm exercises, to hit those bad boys from different angles.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 16:52:36 GMT
Muscles only contract in one direction so multi-angle training is, for the most part, way over-hyped.
The function of the biceps (single muscle, two heads) is two-fold, for the most part, therefore a curl with a slight twist or a straight-bar curl with hit everything quite effectively. The triceps muscle is no different.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 17:06:35 GMT
Just by comparison, Mentzer, Dorian Yates, Casey Viator, Joe Means, etc., etc., just used one, perhaps two, biceps exercises. None of those guys suffered from small arms in comparison with their peers.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 24, 2018 17:37:28 GMT
A person who does only pushups will have a different triceps development than someone who only swims. But, combine the two, and....well, I just shudder to think.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 24, 2018 18:37:39 GMT
Whoa! I didn't know swimming is a triceps developing exercise? 
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 18:38:08 GMT
A person who does only pushups will have a different triceps development than someone who only swims. But, combine the two, and....well, I just shudder to think. Development -- shape -- isn't the exercise...it is 100% genetics. You can induce muscular hypertrophy, but, you're stuck with your genetics... If one used Robby Robinson's arm workout, it would not result in upper arms like his. In comparison, Mentzer did little calf training and his calves were huge, yet, Robby Robinson's calves were high and skinny and he did the traditional multi-set, multi-angle stuff. And I'm sure both Mentzer and Robinson their fair share of PEDs. Mentzer admitted to it...don't recall if Robby ever admitted. Have to wonder if the guy that does those videos is on a small/maintence dose of PEDs...to stay that ripped and muscular naturally all the time? After watching "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" and seeing even the fitness models are juicing, who knows. US Navy SEALs, Force Recon, PJs do push ups and swim, btw. Don't think they've got "off the charts" triceps development... |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 24, 2018 19:31:27 GMT
He forgets to add: perfect genetics and perhaps a little help from science... Is there a way a person can pre-determine their genetic limitations so that they won't bother enthusiastically working towards goals they have no hope of ever obtaining? |
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Post by countryboy on Nov 24, 2018 20:04:21 GMT
He forgets to add: perfect genetics and perhaps a little help from science... You are absolutely correct, but it seems that often "perfect genetics" do not always apply to the entire body. Guys like Steve Reeves were considered to have perfect genetics because every part was developed to what seemed to be, perfection, but there are many guys who seem to have trouble developing certain areas. Charles Atlas (who nobody wants to talk about) never did show exceptional leg development, even though from a strength perspective, his legs were very strong. Big upper body...smaller legs. I knew a guy in school who actually won a Charles Atlas trophy, and he certainly didn't use weights, but his legs were extremely well developed. I have known people who never trained, but had arms like bodybuilders, and others who never trained but had calves that looked like cows! For me, chest , shoulders and neck and forearms have always responded to exercise better than biceps and triceps, while my legs have always looked ordinary even though I did lots of heavy high rep squats. (at 181 lbs. I did a 410 lb. squat, which was respectable at that time) Even looking at the arm development of Earle Liederman and Charles Atlas, there is a marked difference in the shape of their flexed arms, even though, I am sure their exercises were very much alike.
Regarding help from science, I guess you can develop whatever you want, even if it is kind of ugly.
Stay tuned folks...designer bodies an minds are next as science strives to mesh humans with machines.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 20:22:34 GMT
He forgets to add: perfect genetics and perhaps a little help from science... Is there a way a person can pre-determine their genetic limitations so that they won't bother enthusiastically working towards goals they have no hope of ever obtaining? If only. Arnold was born Arnold, Sergio was born Sergio, Pandour was born Pandour. We all got sucked into believing this routine or that routine would have us looking like the alleged author -- we now know nearly all of the bb'ing articles are ghost written and were complete nonsense. (And the eating to get big BS we also got sucked into...and it was nothing but bodyfat from all of the useless protein shakes.) At the end of the day, you go with what you've got and not one routine is going to overcome that. Unless you've got an overpriced rodeo strap tested at 7000 pounds...then you're going to develop off the charts strength and mind-blowing "muscularity" when combined with eating an 18 course meal once every 23.5 hours. |
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Post by doomfarer1 on Nov 24, 2018 22:59:12 GMT
He forgets to add: perfect genetics and perhaps a little help from science... Is there a way a person can pre-determine their genetic limitations so that they won't bother enthusiastically working towards goals they have no hope of ever obtaining? Right? Methinks some ladies doth protest too much. Luckily those of us who have not been genetics-shamed in gyms of a bygone era, and thankfully not endowed with the freezing qualities of over-analysis can, haplessly, keep on fighting the good fight. I really doubt many of us have been glass-ceiling’d by DNA lately and can still achieve results that are pleasing to us (and select others) with plenty of room for continued improvement. Do not despair! |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 24, 2018 23:08:27 GMT
Is there a way a person can pre-determine their genetic limitations so that they won't bother enthusiastically working towards goals they have no hope of ever obtaining? Right? Methinks some ladies doth protest too much. Luckily those of us who have not been genetics-shamed in gyms of a bygone era, and thankfully not endowed with the freezing qualities of over-analysis can, haplessly, keep on fighting the good fight. I really doubt many of us have been glass-ceiling’d by DNA lately and can still achieve results that are pleasing to us (and select others) with plenty of room for continued improvement. Do not despair! Methinks Doomsies got it. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 24, 2018 23:23:48 GMT
Is there a way a person can pre-determine their genetic limitations so that they won't bother enthusiastically working towards goals they have no hope of ever obtaining? Right? Methinks some ladies doth protest too much. Luckily those of us who have not been genetics-shamed in gyms of a bygone era, and thankfully not endowed with the freezing qualities of over-analysis can, haplessly, keep on fighting the good fight. I really doubt many of us have been glass-ceiling’d by DNA lately and can still achieve results that are pleasing to us (and select others) with plenty of room for continued improvement. Do not despair! Can't speak for others, but, no protesting on my part. Just being objective. Realistic. "Calling it like it is." "Just the facts, jack."  We all know we've seen +90 - 95% of our "gains" in the first few years of starting on the weights. And for probably everyone (?) on this board: once you're over 40 or so, you're trying to slow the sacropenia...even steroids, et al, can't stop it. Besides, as we've discussed on this board, the non-bodybuilder/non-bulked up look is more appealing to most women and when I've leaned out in the past/dropped the serious (vain) attempts at heavy weights, I've been told I looked 100% better. Besides... |
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. Maybe someone can get something they like out of these. 
We all know we've seen +90 - 95% of our "gains" in the first few years of starting on the weights. And for probably everyone (?) on this board: once you're over 40 or so, you're trying to slow the sacropenia...even steroids, et al, can't stop it. 
