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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 16, 2024 13:24:33 GMT
BigBruvOfEnglandUK Don't misquote or mischaracterize my actual statements. I predicated & limited my remarks to BigBruv's statement quoted above & nothing else. I merely clarified carrots association with cancer according to the literature & nothing else related to gout. Put on yr reading glasses and/or thinking cap next time. Funny you mention that. It seems you have, again, mischaracterized what I was trying to say, m8. Put on your reading glasses and/or thinking cap next time.
Notice; vitamin A was not mentioned in either of my "two questions". Both questions plainly specify "purines".
Indirect "evidence" is indirect "evidence", no matter what the topic that is under consideration.An "association" is not direct evidence, m8. It's merely an inference, like: "If Santa is real he'll leave presents. There are presents, so Santa is real." You should know this.That's why I included your "associated" comment. As you say, it had nothing to do with the "purines" in liver. I apologize if I have confused you, m8.
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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 16, 2024 13:41:35 GMT
I was not eating "Frankenfoods". When I was getting gout my diet was pretty much what it is now. Meat, fish, eggs and fruit but I was eating more organ meats back then though. I think that it's very possible that my body was still in a weakened state from all the health problems I had in my early 40's which may have made me more susceptible to gout. I used to visit some of the Paleo forums years ago and there were always a few people that had experienced gout. The general consensus was that organ meats are great but you are better off not going all out on them, m8. I wonder about the "purine", and other nutrients, content of heart? It is my favorite also, but I thought liver had more goodies. Thanks for the info. Maybe liver occasionally will be OK, but I need to check into heart. I like heart best anyway and eating either liver or heart once per week or month or whatever may be OK.
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Post by moxohol on Apr 16, 2024 18:29:06 GMT
BigBruvOfEnglandUK Don't misquote or mischaracterize my actual statements. I predicated & limited my remarks to BigBruv's statement quoted above & nothing else. I merely clarified carrots association with cancer according to the literature & nothing else related to gout. Put on yr reading glasses and/or thinking cap next time. Funny you mention that. It seems you have, again, mischaracterized what I was trying to say, m8. Put on your reading glasses and/or thinking cap next time.
Notice; vitamin A was not mentioned in either of my "two questions". Both questions plainly specify "purines".
Indirect "evidence" is indirect "evidence", no matter what the topic that is under consideration.An "association" is not direct evidence, m8. It's merely an inference, like: "If Santa is real he'll leave presents. There are presents, so Santa is real." You should know this.That's why I included your "associated" comment. As you say, it had nothing to do with the "purines" in liver. I apologize if I have confused you, m8. mr potatohead Nowhere did u make any distinctions divorcing ur blanket references or general conclusions about gout related artifacts in the provided quote above. U made runoff sentences. Therefore, using a "reasonable person model" it can only be deduced u are associating the author (me) with discussion & facts relating to GOUT.
There is precedence for this presumption because u made the same epistemological mistakes HERE & my latter responses to the former presented HERE ========================================= ========================================= mr potatohead
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Apr 16, 2024 19:19:33 GMT
I was not eating "Frankenfoods". When I was getting gout my diet was pretty much what it is now. Meat, fish, eggs and fruit but I was eating more organ meats back then though. I think that it's very possible that my body was still in a weakened state from all the health problems I had in my early 40's which may have made me more susceptible to gout. I used to visit some of the Paleo forums years ago and there were always a few people that had experienced gout. The general consensus was that organ meats are great but you are better off not going all out on them, m8. I wonder about the "purine", and other nutrients, content of heart? It is my favorite also, but I thought liver had more goodies. Thanks for the info. Maybe liver occasionally will be OK, but I need to check into heart. I like heart best anyway and eating either liver or heart once per week or month or whatever may be OK. Most of what I've read has said keep it to a 3-4 oz serving of liver per week or for those that don't like to eat a portion of that size to spread it over the course of the week, m8
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Post by brothersteve on Apr 16, 2024 19:50:02 GMT
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Post by lardy on Apr 16, 2024 20:38:07 GMT
I think organ meats, specifically liver is sought after in the natural world due to the nutrients it provides, the hunter-gatherers seem to hold it in high regard too. I'm thinking it's a great source of vitamins and minerals for people who are fighting off malnourishment, but it's possibly "to strong" for a well fed civilized person. I'd also think eating the liver of a wild mammal is completely different to sourcing it from a domesticated meat.
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Post by jonrock on Apr 16, 2024 22:01:42 GMT
I think organ meats, specifically liver is sought after in the natural world due to the nutrients it provides, the hunter-gatherers seem to hold it in high regard too. I'm thinking it's a great source of vitamins and minerals for people who are fighting off malnourishment, but it's possibly "to strong" for a well fed civilized person. I'd also think eating the liver of a wild mammal is completely different to sourcing it from a domesticated meat. They probably eat liver once in a while, too. We humans are spoiled these days, eating whatever we want whenever we fancy.
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Post by mr potatohead on Apr 18, 2024 13:20:25 GMT
Funny you mention that. It seems you have, again, mischaracterized what I was trying to say, m8. Put on your reading glasses and/or thinking cap next time.
Notice; vitamin A was not mentioned in either of my "two questions". Both questions plainly specify "purines".
Indirect "evidence" is indirect "evidence", no matter what the topic that is under consideration.An "association" is not direct evidence, m8. It's merely an inference, like: "If Santa is real he'll leave presents. There are presents, so Santa is real." You should know this.That's why I included your "associated" comment. As you say, it had nothing to do with the "purines" in liver. I apologize if I have confused you, m8. mr potatohead Nowhere did u make any distinctions divorcing ur blanket references or general conclusions about gout related artifacts in the provided quote above. U made runoff sentences. Therefore, using a "reasonable person model" it can only be deduced u are associating the author (me) with discussion & facts relating to GOUT.
There is precedence for this presumption because u made the same epistemological mistakes HERE & my latter responses to the former presented HERE ========================================= ========================================= mr potatohead
Thank you, mox. I do apologize for confusing you, m8. I should have addressed your use of the inconsequential and observational subjective assessment term "associated" or "association" in a separate post. Associations prove nothing about gout or cancer or any other health threat.
Dr Martin is correct that the vaccines are harmful, not helpful, but he doesn't mention that there is no documented, scientific experiment that proves the existence of a humanly pathogenic "virus" found in nature as advertised. If he did, the discussion of avoiding vaccines would be unnecessary since, there is no reason to be vaccinated against a non-existent threat.
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Post by moxohol on Apr 18, 2024 14:43:56 GMT
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Apr 20, 2024 5:41:49 GMT
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Post by brothersteve on Apr 20, 2024 11:01:30 GMT
Gironda espoused several diets depending on the individuals needs at the time. There was no one and done diet plan for life. Hormone precurser diet, detox diet after the hormone precursor, etc. He was a chemist with food and experimented all the time. Weider, the so-called "Trainer of Champions" even sent a young Arnold to Vince for getting him ready for the big time. How come Joe couldn't do it?
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