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Post by moxohol on Mar 19, 2024 13:24:52 GMT
There's no excuse for your primary source either who is an impeachable & discredited source. He is what they refer to in the common vernacular as a "hack". I urge any sane forum member to read Thomas Cowan's biography & medical stances which is available in the other thread.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 19, 2024 21:18:58 GMT
There's no excuse for your primary source either who is an impeachable & discredited source. He is what they refer to in the common vernacular as a "hack". I urge any sane forum member to read Thomas Cowan's biography & medical stances which is available in the other thread. Incorrect. My primary source are the official documents from the CDC, the NIH, experiment documents like Enders, etc. Mike Stone, Dr Cowan, etc, are just pointing to the "official" documents, so their private lives are not my concern because it doesn't change the archived official documents. There is no documented scientific experiment that includes the process, methods and controls used in the experiment in existence anywhere that anyone in their right mind would consider proof that a pathogenic "virus" of any kind exists or has ever existed on the Earth.
If there was, it would be widely distributed by now, don't you think, m8?
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Post by moxohol on Mar 19, 2024 22:38:06 GMT
Sorry to disabuse u of your certain facts but Cowan & company are simply putting a spin on the facts to suit their own agenda.
But for the sake of argument let's assume ur 100% right & I'm 100% wrong. Now that that's been established - now what? What medical application has changed now that viruses don't exist and/or their pathogenicity? Polio, smallpox, West Nile, hepatitis diseases are still present & their identifiable symptoms. The only thing that has changed is it ain't viruses. So, how are u going to treat those non-viral disease symptoms? Tell the patient to go home? It's psychosomatic? Go eat some special fruit & veggies picked out by denis? Serve up hot chicken soup for that raging hepatitis C destroying his liver? Something is still causing the disease symptoms of hepatitis C. Egypt is one of top 5 countries for it. So clue me on how u going to cure or treat the disease symptoms of non-viral hepatitis C for example? I'm all eyes.
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Post by moxohol on Mar 19, 2024 22:43:20 GMT
Point them out on the Viroliegy site then.
There are no signed authors for any of the articles.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 19, 2024 22:49:22 GMT
Point them out on the Viroliegy site then. There are no signed authors for any of the articles. So, you are not checking the linked references ..... or maybe not even reading the articles with the colored blocks showing the text from the official documents?
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Post by moxohol on Mar 20, 2024 5:42:24 GMT
Well, that is a rather interesting hypothesis you've postulated above as I grew up on a tobacco plantation cultivating it for nearly a decade. I never recall getting up in the middle of the night like those idiots who make stupid crop circles & "infect" any broadleaf tobacco plants with a fake Tobacco Mosiac Virus (TMV) as a form of silent protest against my father for getting me up early in the mornings to top them off. Did I sleepwalk? Cultivating tobacco is REALLY tedious work with many steps in the process of which topping them (not related to gay sex) can make a grown man weep from the tedium. Any plants infected with TMV have to be uprooted, burnt & other adjacent plants too to fight the spread. Plus, u have to sanitize any equipment being used. It is a time-consuming process that covers hectares which all has to be done by hand. But now you've revealed the arrogance of agricultural science! So, it must have been a stick of diseased ZANLA terrs' popping out of the bushes at night pissing all over my crops as a slick form of economic sanctions. Too bad we didn't catch that in time, eh? [NOTE: For any other forum members following this thread, notice I posed 2 questions in the 2nd & 3rd posts above starting from this post here. He addresses my missing the ViroLIEgy referenced links & chides me for it yet totally ignores/deflects my question about what other avenues should now be looked into because disease symptoms caused by disproven viral pathogens still exist in the world. They haven't disappeared. People still get infected & die from the disease symptoms of hepatitis for instance. So what causes hepatitis & how can it be treated since we now know that viruses don't exist and/or have any pathogenicity associated with that diseased state. Since we have broken away from our chains that held us back buying into erroneous virus theory, what are the paths now available to us to effectively treat the scourge of hepatitis that still plagues many 3rd world countries? Is hepatitis caused by plasmodiums? Prions? Heavy metals? An Auto-immune disease triggered by exposure to plastics? Excessive masturbation? Millions of lives are hanging in the balance & could possibly be saved by Unkle Spuds brilliant insights into the causative agent(s) that trigger the disease symptom known as hepatitis. Share it with us Obi-wan?]
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Mar 20, 2024 9:28:06 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 12:09:31 GMT
Well, that is a rather interesting hypothesis you've postulated above as I grew up on a tobacco plantation cultivating it for nearly a decade. I never recall getting up in the middle of the night like those idiots who make stupid crop circles & "infect" any broadleaf tobacco plants with a fake Tobacco Mosiac Virus (TMV) as a form of silent protest against my father for getting me up early in the mornings to top them off. Did I sleepwalk? Cultivating tobacco is REALLY tedious work with many steps in the process of which topping them (not related to gay sex) can make a grown man weep from the tedium. Any plants infected with TMV have to be uprooted, burnt & other adjacent plants too to fight the spread. Plus, u have to sanitize any equipment being used. It is a time-consuming process that covers hectares which all has to be done by hand. But now you've revealed the arrogance of agricultural science! So, it must have been a stick of diseased ZANLA terrs' popping out of the bushes at night pissing all over my crops as a slick form of economic sanctions. Too bad we didn't catch that in time, eh? [NOTE: For any other forum members following this thread, notice I posed 2 questions in the 2nd & 3rd posts above starting from this post here. He addresses my missing the ViroLIEgy referenced links & chides me for it yet totally ignores/deflects my question about what other avenues should now be looked into because disease symptoms caused by disproven viral pathogens still exist in the world. They haven't disappeared. People still get infected & die from the disease symptoms of hepatitis for instance. So what causes hepatitis & how can it be treated since we now know that viruses don't exist and/or have any pathogenicity associated with that diseased state. Since we have broken away from our chains that held us back buying into erroneous virus theory, what are the paths now available to us to effectively treat the scourge of hepatitis that still plagues many 3rd world countries? Is hepatitis caused by plasmodiums? Prions? Heavy metals? An Auto-immune disease triggered by exposure to plastics? Excessive masturbation? Millions of lives are hanging in the balance & could possibly be saved by Unkle Spuds brilliant insights into the causative agent(s) that trigger the disease symptom known as hepatitis. Share it with us Obi-wan?] So, you cultivated tobacco, dealt with the diseased plants and have a background in the pseudo science of pathogenic "virus", but you don't know who Martinus Beijerinck is?Wow! How weird!! You think that was me who conceived his hypothesis and did his bogus experiment? Amazing disconnect, mox! I never would have thought to say something like that about you - possibly because I know it's not true and just another deflection to waste my time chasing down answers to all of your inconsequential questions.You have some bizarre spin-up stories for sure.Yes, I will ignore most of what you ask because the request I've been making from you for at least two years now, and sometimes multiple times per day, is still the same one which, so far, you have avoided addressing! At this point, I'm not even sure that you understand what a valid documented scientific experiment is, but without at least one document (should be right at the front and top drawer of your file!) that presents scientific proof that a humanly contagious, pathogenic "virus" is the cause of ANY sickness in humans, you have no actual science of virology. Need to see the documented scientific experiment that is the evidence for ANY pathogenic "virus" that has ever existed on Earth and is found to be the cause of ANY disease in humans. ............ I'm asking for something that you MUST have if anyone is to believe that a pathogenic "virus" is real and threatens our health - but I also know, or at least no one has shown otherwise with any science, that you have no document of science experimentation that proves it.There is no documented scientific experiment that includes the process, methods and controls used in the experiment in existence anywhere that anyone in their right mind would consider proof that a pathogenic "virus" of any kind that causes disease in humans exists or has ever existed on the Earth.
If there was, it would be widely distributed by now, don't you think, m8?
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 14:08:31 GMT
Point them out on the Viroliegy site then. There are no signed authors for any of the articles. So, you are not checking the linked references ..... or maybe not even reading the articles with the colored blocks showing the text from the official documents?
Sorry, the link to the ViroLIEgy article "The Indirect Approach" was not correct. I've fixed it now.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 14:15:05 GMT
Point them out on the Viroliegy site then. There are no signed authors for any of the articles. Mike Stone. He says that multiple times on the ViroLIEgy site, m8.
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Post by moxohol on Mar 20, 2024 15:40:24 GMT
Well, that is a rather interesting hypothesis you've postulated above as I grew up on a tobacco plantation cultivating it for nearly a decade. I never recall getting up in the middle of the night like those idiots who make stupid crop circles & "infect" any broadleaf tobacco plants with a fake Tobacco Mosiac Virus (TMV) as a form of silent protest against my father for getting me up early in the mornings to top them off. Did I sleepwalk? Cultivating tobacco is REALLY tedious work with many steps in the process of which topping them (not related to gay sex) can make a grown man weep from the tedium. Any plants infected with TMV have to be uprooted, burnt & other adjacent plants too to fight the spread. Plus, u have to sanitize any equipment being used. It is a time-consuming process that covers hectares which all has to be done by hand. But now you've revealed the arrogance of agricultural science! So, it must have been a stick of diseased ZANLA terrs' popping out of the bushes at night pissing all over my crops as a slick form of economic sanctions. Too bad we didn't catch that in time, eh? [NOTE: For any other forum members following this thread, notice I posed 2 questions in the 2nd & 3rd posts above starting from this post here. He addresses my missing the ViroLIEgy referenced links & chides me for it yet totally ignores/deflects my question about what other avenues should now be looked into because disease symptoms caused by disproven viral pathogens still exist in the world. They haven't disappeared. People still get infected & die from the disease symptoms of hepatitis for instance. So what causes hepatitis & how can it be treated since we now know that viruses don't exist and/or have any pathogenicity associated with that diseased state. Since we have broken away from our chains that held us back buying into erroneous virus theory, what are the paths now available to us to effectively treat the scourge of hepatitis that still plagues many 3rd world countries? Is hepatitis caused by plasmodiums? Prions? Heavy metals? An Auto-immune disease triggered by exposure to plastics? Excessive masturbation? Millions of lives are hanging in the balance & could possibly be saved by Unkle Spuds brilliant insights into the causative agent(s) that trigger the disease symptom known as hepatitis. Share it with us Obi-wan?] So, you cultivated tobacco, dealt with the diseased plants and have a background in the pseudo science of pathogenic "virus", but you don't know who Martinus Beijerinck is?Wow! How weird!! HERE is my response about Martinus Beijerinck dated March 5. Today is March 20. Not too long ago to be able recall with ur brilliant scintillating intellect unless ur going senile or need to refill ur reading prescriptions? You think that was me who conceived his hypothesis and did his bogus experiment? Amazing disconnect, mox!I never would have thought to say something like that about you - possibly because I know it's not true and just another deflection to waste my time chasing down answers to all of your inconsequential questions.You have some bizarre spin-up stories for sure.Yes, I will ignore most of what you ask because the request I've been making from you for at least two years now, and sometimes multiple times per day, is still the same one which, so far, you have avoided addressing! I did on March 5 (refer to the "HERE" link above). I gave it my best shot & fell flat on my face. My shit wasn't up to snuff & that dog didn't hunt. So, I quit. Surrendered. Haven't got the goods to give u. And if that dog don't hunt then that means for all intents & purposes there isn't one shred of documented scientific evidence in existence to meet ur criteria & I'm no slouch in the research or brains department either. Any reasonable person of average intelligence would infer, "Guess he got it ALL wrong?" or "He lost that argument." Reasonable conclusion to draw from, no? At this point, I'm not even sure that you understand what a valid documented scientific experiment is, but without at least one document (should be right at the front and top drawer of your file!) that presents scientific proof that a humanly contagious, pathogenic "virus" is the cause of ANY sickness in humans, you have no actual science of virology. Need to see the documented scientific experiment that is the evidence for ANY pathogenic "virus" that has ever existed on Earth and is found to be the cause of ANY disease in humans. ............ I'm asking for something that you MUST have if anyone is to believe that a pathogenic "virus" is real and threatens our health - but I also know, or at least no one has shown otherwise with any science, that you have no document of science experimentation that proves it.There is no documented scientific experiment that includes the process, methods and controls used in the experiment in existence anywhere that anyone in their right mind would consider proof that a pathogenic "virus" of any kind that causes disease in humans exists or has ever existed on the Earth.
If there was, it would be widely distributed by now, don't you think, m8?U got way too much diacope in the 2nd, 3rd & 4th paragraphs above. I understood ur premise the 1st time. U can predicate all ur questions or assertions to my 2nd reply. Now, are u going address my last paragraph where I inserted my questions for u in blue fonts or are u to going obfuscate more with some sort of specious juvenile reasoning that since I wouldn't or couldn't answer ur simple request for any documented scientific experiment — which I clearly CAN'T or am unable to — then u aren't obligated or need to reciprocate at all? All eyes are upon u to see how u respond.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 17:43:39 GMT
So, you cultivated tobacco, dealt with the diseased plants and have a background in the pseudo science of pathogenic "virus", but you don't know who Martinus Beijerinck is?Wow! How weird!! HERE is my response about Martinus Beijerinck dated March 5. Today is March 20. Not too long ago to be able recall with ur brilliant scintillating intellect unless ur going senile or need to refill ur reading prescriptions? You think that was me who conceived his hypothesis and did his bogus experiment? Amazing disconnect, mox!I never would have thought to say something like that about you - possibly because I know it's not true and just another deflection to waste my time chasing down answers to all of your inconsequential questions.You have some bizarre spin-up stories for sure.Yes, I will ignore most of what you ask because the request I've been making from you for at least two years now, and sometimes multiple times per day, is still the same one which, so far, you have avoided addressing! I did on March 5 (refer to the "HERE" link above). I gave it my best shot & fell flat on my face. My shit wasn't up to snuff & that dog didn't hunt. So, I quit. Surrendered. Haven't got the goods to give u. And if that dog don't hunt then that means for all intents & purposes there isn't one shred of documented scientific evidence in existence to meet ur criteria & I'm no slouch in the research or brains department either. Any reasonable person of average intelligence would infer, "Guess he got it ALL wrong?" or "He lost that argument." Reasonable conclusion to draw from, no? At this point, I'm not even sure that you understand what a valid documented scientific experiment is, but without at least one document (should be right at the front and top drawer of your file!) that presents scientific proof that a humanly contagious, pathogenic "virus" is the cause of ANY sickness in humans, you have no actual science of virology. Need to see the documented scientific experiment that is the evidence for ANY pathogenic "virus" that has ever existed on Earth and is found to be the cause of ANY disease in humans. ............ I'm asking for something that you MUST have if anyone is to believe that a pathogenic "virus" is real and threatens our health - but I also know, or at least no one has shown otherwise with any science, that you have no document of science experimentation that proves it.There is no documented scientific experiment that includes the process, methods and controls used in the experiment in existence anywhere that anyone in their right mind would consider proof that a pathogenic "virus" of any kind that causes disease in humans exists or has ever existed on the Earth.
If there was, it would be widely distributed by now, don't you think, m8?U got way too much diacope in the 2nd, 3rd & 4th paragraphs above. I understood ur premise the 1st time. U can predicate all ur questions or assertions to my 2nd reply. Now, are u going address my last paragraph where I inserted my questions for u in blue fonts or are u to going obfuscate more with some sort of specious juvenile reasoning that since I wouldn't or couldn't answer ur simple request for any documented scientific experiment — which I clearly CAN'T or am unable to — then u aren't obligated or need to reciprocate at all? All eyes are upon u to see how u respond. Of course not. I'm not a lab tech, an MD or a biology scientist. Please don't be ridiculous. There are a lot of possibilities and probable causes of acute inflammation and illness. Multiple possibilities are another reason that pathogenic "virus" is not THE answer. These are the possibilities that the truly helpful health practitioners are trying to sort out. All I can say for sure is that "virus", pathogenic to, and contagious among humans, DO NOT EXIST until they are proven with an actual SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT and not the hocus-hocus-chemically manufactured-magic-act trick, designed to produce the result desired by the funders of the research.
Just provide the documented direct scientific evidence that you rely on to believe that any "virus" contagion exists and causes human illness. Look on your fridge or wherever you keep the documents that are pivotal and absolutely essential to your claim. No other truthful information is needed from you or me than that evidence - if these pathogenic "virus" actually exist - I think we all know by now that they don't. It's just another fear tool of deception and propaganda.
If you don't or can't do that, you're just imagining a health threat by continuing to make your claim. Instead, you're choosing to live in a fantasy of health threats that are as real as Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns, etc, because the ONLY "evidence" anyone has now or has ever had is Indirect - i.e. "There are presents under the tree on Xmas morning, therefore, it is proof that Santa Claus exists." - and is NOT science whatsoever in any real scientific laboratory.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 18:09:00 GMT
We have known since the 1940's that bacteriophages are real. My understanding is that they are part of our endogenous waste elimination system. I assume that when you were treated with them, they took some fluid or tissue from your body, isolated what they thought would be the bacteriophages that would facilitate the removal of toxins from your body by multiplying them with a manufacturing process, like the PCR (not a test, it's a means of "finding anything in anyone" by making billions of copies) and then, injected your own, multiplied, detox agents back into your body.
I'm just guessing that is how it works, so I'm sure you can correct me or fill in details if needed and I welcome that.
So, the isolation and identification of the action of healing bacteriophages is proven, and, "coincidentally" pathogenic "virus" is (assumed) exactly the same size and appears visually to be exactly the same ECV as bacteriophages. Isn't that an interesting "coincidence"?
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Post by moxohol on Mar 20, 2024 19:06:21 GMT
We have known since the 1940's that bacteriophages are real. My understanding is that they are part of our endogenous waste elimination system. I assume that when you were treated with them, they took some fluid or tissue from your body, isolated what they thought would be the bacteriophages that would facilitate the removal of toxins from your body by multiplying them with a manufacturing process, like the PCR (not a test, it's a means of "finding anything in anyone" by making billions of copies) and then, injected your own, multiplied, detox agents back into your body.
I'm just guessing that is how it works, so I'm sure you can correct me or fill in details if needed and I welcome that.
So, the isolation and identification of the action of healing bacteriophages is proven, and, "coincidentally" pathogenic "virus" is (assumed) exactly the same size and appears visually to be exactly the same ECV as bacteriophages. Isn't that an interesting "coincidence"?
No it isn't. I was mislead. It was all due to a placebo effect. Love could have been the catalyst that did the trick
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 20, 2024 19:08:20 GMT
Viruses don't exist nor are causative agents of hepatitis. This is all due to Faulty reasoning/faulty science/faulty approach/sinecured interests/. Fine. That's all been clearly explained in the INDIRECT article provided by u at ViroLIEgy. Yet, Hepatitis still exists in the world. Now, what is the prescription to treat the disease defined as hepatitis which was falsely associated with virions. I have the disease definition of hepatitis. How does Dr. Cowan treat it? Viruses are not the cause of hepatitis symptoms. So gammagobulin shots, antibiotics, interferon, or genome-based immunotherapies are no longer warranted. I want to live a long & healthy life free from disease. So I'm going to ask Dr. Cowan to treat me as a patient so I'm either cured or stabilized. How will he accomplish it? With coffee enemas? Vegetarian diet? Running in place? Take a protein plasma injection? Gratuitous use of any ergogenic, adaptogenic or medicinal plants, grains or fruits? Use a patented trademarked whole foods powder mix sold by Dr Cowan? What? What can viably be used to replace the standard treatment of care commonly reserved for treating hepatitis, smallpox, polio, ebola & the other so called viral diseases that we now know to be patently false because it's obviously caused by something else. All we have to do is logically change the approach. So what is it? I'm sorry, m8. I do wish I could help and would if I could, but I don't have any knowledge of treatment for that specific disease symptom and I don't know what Dr Cowan, Dr Kaufman, the Bailey Drs, etc, would recommend. Yes, you could contact one of them to see if there is help there for you, but I expect there would be a good holistic health practitioner nearer to you that would be more practical for you. I don't know if it will help, but Dr Kaufman's current, 3 day/session "Natural Detox Mini Course" might be a good place to start? God bless you, m8. I wish you good health!
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