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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 7:15:57 GMT
baz, all is well so no worries about your honest comments. I’m 65 years old and have yet to meet this mythical nut job but do believe he exists. Of course, I’d never run and leave my wife or now grandchildren in harms way. I own an AR-15, a Glock 9 mm single stack pistol, a shot gun and a machete and now live in an open carry state so I feel quite safe. Sounds like you are ready for war there mate ha good stuff 👍 and not getting into any violent situation is the best outcome but nevertheless we definitely should be prepared to protect ourselves and loved one's at all costs ! Respect Pierini .
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 21, 2020 8:14:02 GMT
Wow! Great stuff! Never having been in a fight in my entire adult life, I'll keep all of this in mind just in case it happens. I like this mans system . In this short video he talks about easy and effective self defence ideas for older men and women Bradley Steiner Combato? I never immersed myself in it, but a guy named Dave has some stuff on Canadian Combato. Here's Paul Vunak on Isometrics. First time that training an isometric at some specific angle sounded like it had some validity. I've always just considered tension to be tension no matter the angle when applied for strength building, but I can see that for a particular strike distance (e.g) it might train the CNS for most energy on impact - if that makes sense ........ since I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about. This subject is very unfamiliar for me and most of what I've learned has been from the pugilists on this forum.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Oct 21, 2020 8:23:16 GMT
There are many channels on YouTube that put up real videos from surveillance cameras or from people that recorded the incident live with their smartphones of street fights, assaults, robberies, and even home invasions and car jackings. Some are tough to watch. They range from discussions about real self defense measures to ghetto humor. Mute the sound if you have to, but study these real world situations and you'll see some patterns and behaviors that can both help you avoid getting into these encounters if you can and surviving them if you can't. Being able to spot what's coming, knowing basic human behavior, and realizing these things can happen to you, are crucial things to know, especially the last point. Many people get hurt or killed even when they see it coming, but their brains are still telling them "this can't be happening to me".
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 21, 2020 8:23:46 GMT
My basic philosophy on self defense is a ball bat.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 21, 2020 8:36:09 GMT
There are many channels on YouTube that put up real videos from surveillance cameras or from people that recorded the incident live with their smartphones of street fights, assaults, robberies, and even home invasions and car jackings. Some are tough to watch. They range from discussions about real self defense measures to ghetto humor. Mute the sound if you have to, but study these real world situations and you'll see some patterns and behaviors that can both help you avoid getting into these encounters if you can and surviving them if you can't. Being able to spot what's coming, knowing basic human behavior, and realizing these things can happen to you, are crucial things to know, especially the last point. Many people get hurt or killed even when they see it coming, but their brains are still telling them "this can't be happening to me". I'm hoping that the Qi Gong, Zhan Zhuang and circle walking that I do will help. (credit to: Fred & macky)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 9:33:29 GMT
I like this mans system . In this short video he talks about easy and effective self defence ideas for older men and women Bradley Steiner Combato? I never immersed myself in it, but a guy named Dave has some stuff on Canadian Combato. Here's Paul Vunak on Isometrics. First time that training an isometric at some specific angle sounded like it had some validity. I've always just considered tension to be tension no matter the angle when applied for strength building, but I can see that for a particular strike distance (e.g) it might train the CNS for most energy on impact - if that makes sense ........ since I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about. This subject is very unfamiliar for me and most of what I've learned has been from the pugilists on this forum. I knew his name sounded familiar and that's because I've watched this video a while ago but never looked any further into his fighting system , nice one for that I'll be putting that in my playlist . I'm a big fan of isometrics but NOT for building muscle as I've tried it and does absolutely nothing for me but for strength, speed and power they are top notch and have used them for the past 13 years for that reason .
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Post by moxohol on Oct 21, 2020 10:38:19 GMT
I’ve always said running is the best form of self defense. It’s one of the reasons I still run. Run 200 meters in 35 seconds or less as an older person, and you’re a bad ass. Your mileage may vary. What an absolute load of bollocks !! So you're telling me if you are out with your wife and kids and some random nut job decides to attack your wife that you are gonna do a Usain Bolt and leave your wife to get the shit beat out of her ?? You are a man why the fuck would you run and not protect yourself and your loved ones ?? It's in our DNA since cavemen times to fight and protect our territory (home, property) and our loved ones . Admitting that you would run away from a fight is absolutely embarrassing no offence mate. I just hope your wife has the balls to protect you both ! Mr Pierini clearly meant running away from trouble solo when the odds are stacked against him which is a sensible option for a 66 year old man. It's u who injected the wife, kids, nutjob & the hypotheticals. By what metric are u judging him by for what he would or wouldn't do? The guy is old enough to be ur dad! Hell! I could be ur dad if I have a penis pump handy. Do u really think he'd have any chance against u or a young nutter under UK law? That old man would stand a better chance if he ran away to find something preferably big & heavy to slap u upside ur gorilla head 1st & then run like hell with his wife to the nearest tube! Let's use u as a known example: You're half his age, a strapping 30 something who prolly wears platform shoes so his knuckles don't drag on the ground & taps 10 penny nails with his cock when hammers aren't available. Not all of us are blessed with the same combative attitude, boxing skills, physical prowess or forced to handle dire life circumstances. Nutters simply prey on easy targets like women, children & grandpa's. I guess if we visit the local ghetto & yell out, "N****R!", we'll all be tested & at least have some real world training under our belt. Right? Nothing fails like success & it is true in every sense of the word. Ppl don't fuck with other ppl unless they think they can get away with it. That's why they keep preying on easy targets. So, they keep on doing it until they fuck with wrong person who usually doesn't advertise the fact it's bad for their health. Most people haven't been tested that hard in life like u or have the same abilities. Therefore, censoring Mr. Pierini or anyone his age is disingenuous, because quite frankly, he's not remotely like u & u of all ppl should understand there are NO guarantees in a fight. Period. I can train like GI Joe all I want but it won't mean shit unless I have the correct attitude & if attitude was all it took then we'd all be famous. So, somehow, a correct mindset is paramount? The rest are just moves. U have had the luxury of bitter experience & it is a harsh teacher but it builds the proper minset. Many subscribers here just haven't had that level of experience but that kind of experience comes with a heavy cost & those that don't understand it think of it in terms of danger, romance & Clint Eastwood. Bullshit. I'm no badass or Geoff Thompson but have had the thrill of being bullied or walked over most of my life because of my disorder. I'm simply triggered by your premise. OK. Rant's over. I'm done. Time to mop the floor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 14:54:17 GMT
What an absolute load of bollocks !! So you're telling me if you are out with your wife and kids and some random nut job decides to attack your wife that you are gonna do a Usain Bolt and leave your wife to get the shit beat out of her ?? You are a man why the fuck would you run and not protect yourself and your loved ones ?? It's in our DNA since cavemen times to fight and protect our territory (home, property) and our loved ones . Admitting that you would run away from a fight is absolutely embarrassing no offence mate. I just hope your wife has the balls to protect you both ! Mr Pierini clearly meant running away from trouble solo when the odds are stacked against him which is a sensible option for a 66 year old man. It's u who injected the wife, kids, nutjob & the hypotheticals. By what metric are u judging him by for what he would or wouldn't do? The guy is old enough to be ur dad! Hell! I could be ur dad if I have a penis pump handy. Do u really think he'd have any chance against u or a young nutter under UK law? That old man would stand a better chance if he ran away to find something preferably big & heavy to slap u upside ur gorilla head 1st & then run like hell with his wife to the nearest tube! Let's use u as a known example: You're half his age, a strapping 30 something who prolly wears platform shoes so his knuckles don't drag on the ground & taps 10 penny nails with his cock when hammers aren't available. Not all of us are blessed with the same combative attitude, boxing skills, physical prowess or forced to handle dire life circumstances. Nutters simply prey on easy targets like women, children & grandpa's. I guess if we visit the local ghetto & yell out, "N****R!", we'll all be tested & at least have some real world training under our belt. Right? Nothing fails like success & it is true in every sense of the word. Ppl don't fuck with other ppl unless they think they can get away with it. That's why they keep preying on easy targets. So, they keep on doing it until they fuck with wrong person who usually doesn't advertise the fact it's bad for their health. Most people haven't been tested that hard in life like u or have the same abilities. Therefore, censoring Mr. Pierini or anyone his age is disingenuous, because quite frankly, he's not remotely like u & u of all ppl should understand there are NO guarantees in a fight. Period. I can train like GI Joe all I want but it won't mean shit unless I have the correct attitude & if attitude was all it took then we'd all be famous. So, somehow, a correct mindset is paramount? The rest are just moves. U have had the luxury of bitter experience & it is a harsh teacher but it builds the proper minset. Many subscribers here just haven't had that level of experience but that kind of experience comes with a heavy cost & those that don't understand it think of it in terms of danger, romance & Clint Eastwood. Bullshit. I'm no badass or Geoff Thompson but have had the thrill of being bullied or walked over most of my life because of my disorder. I'm simply triggered by your premise. OK. Rant's over. I'm done. Time to mop the floor. LMAO moxohol i couldn't even argue with you mate because all your comments have me laughing my balls off and I mean that genuinely you're a funny dude 👍 Ok so you suggest that an older man runs away from danger when confronted by a young fit healthy man ! How do you think that will turn out mox The old man won't be out running a snail never mind a young fit man with the intent to rob and hurt you . So what do you do when you can't out run the bad guy ? Do you just say "hey I'm an easy target who is not going to fight back so feel free to beat the shit out of me and take all my money while you're at it ? I guarantee that the older man will still have the ability to throw a punch and do damage especially when you take into consideration that most these punks are just looking for easy prey because they lack self confidence and feel manly picking on weaker prey but if that old man has been training to protect himself then he will at the very least have a chance of getting out unscathed, but you would rather him run away and get the shit beat out of him than rather put up a fight and possibly come away unhurt . You are 100% right when you said that i was the one who brought up about his wife and kids which i later regretted saying as i know it could come across as sounding pretty harsh . Defending yourself and your loved one's falls under the category of self defence, so when he said that running is the best form of self defence i just gathered he would do a Usain Bolt if such a similar scenario was to occur , pierini later took back his statement and said he is armed like Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator 2 and ready to take out the T-1000 if they ever touched his grand kids which i totally agree with ! I completely understand where you was coming from though moxohol and "taps 10 penny nails with my cock when hammers ain't available" had me in bits hahaha ... If only i wasn't cursed with a cock the size of a cashew nut i might just be able to do that , but oh well i got muscles so who gives a fuck .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:37:11 GMT
What an absolute load of bollocks !! So you're telling me if you are out with your wife and kids and some random nut job decides to attack your wife that you are gonna do a Usain Bolt and leave your wife to get the shit beat out of her ?? You are a man why the fuck would you run and not protect yourself and your loved ones ?? It's in our DNA since cavemen times to fight and protect our territory (home, property) and our loved ones . Admitting that you would run away from a fight is absolutely embarrassing no offence mate. I just hope your wife has the balls to protect you both ! Mr Pierini clearly meant running away from trouble solo when the odds are stacked against him which is a sensible option for a 66 year old man. It's u who injected the wife, kids, nutjob & the hypotheticals. By what metric are u judging him by for what he would or wouldn't do? The guy is old enough to be ur dad! Hell! I could be ur dad if I have a penis pump handy. Do u really think he'd have any chance against u or a young nutter under UK law? That old man would stand a better chance if he ran away to find something preferably big & heavy to slap u upside ur gorilla head 1st & then run like hell with his wife to the nearest tube! Let's use u as a known example: You're half his age, a strapping 30 something who prolly wears platform shoes so his knuckles don't drag on the ground & taps 10 penny nails with his cock when hammers aren't available. Not all of us are blessed with the same combative attitude, boxing skills, physical prowess or forced to handle dire life circumstances. Nutters simply prey on easy targets like women, children & grandpa's. I guess if we visit the local ghetto & yell out, "N****R!", we'll all be tested & at least have some real world training under our belt. Right? Nothing fails like success & it is true in every sense of the word. Ppl don't fuck with other ppl unless they think they can get away with it. That's why they keep preying on easy targets. So, they keep on doing it until they fuck with wrong person who usually doesn't advertise the fact it's bad for their health. Most people haven't been tested that hard in life like u or have the same abilities. Therefore, censoring Mr. Pierini or anyone his age is disingenuous, because quite frankly, he's not remotely like u & u of all ppl should understand there are NO guarantees in a fight. Period. I can train like GI Joe all I want but it won't mean shit unless I have the correct attitude & if attitude was all it took then we'd all be famous. So, somehow, a correct mindset is paramount? The rest are just moves. U have had the luxury of bitter experience & it is a harsh teacher but it builds the proper minset. Many subscribers here just haven't had that level of experience but that kind of experience comes with a heavy cost & those that don't understand it think of it in terms of danger, romance & Clint Eastwood. Bullshit. I'm no badass or Geoff Thompson but have had the thrill of being bullied or walked over most of my life because of my disorder. I'm simply triggered by your premise. OK. Rant's over. I'm done. Time to mop the floor. I take it this old man should have sprinted away like the young athlete he is or maybe he did the right thing ?
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Post by stuke on Oct 21, 2020 19:04:34 GMT
Good thread. I read Geoff Thomson's book years ago and it wasn't what I was expecting. From memory (so I could be wrong) he did not play macho like I expected and was actually quite scared in some situations. Nothing wrong with that, it is realistic for how most of us would be. He seemed to go around wired for dangerous situations, always ready, always sizing up and although this is obviously going to be a huge advantage, I could not and would not want to have to live like that. I did Thai Boxing for a short while, boxing for a bit longer but a lof of heavy bag work etc when I was younger and I could hit hard and fast, with little telegraphing. Never stopped me being scared of confrontation and I suppose really I should have practiced much nore sparring and realistic training. On one occasion, maybe 20 years ago, I had a bit of trouble with someone I knew over the phone. Long story short, even though I was expecting him, when he arrived he still managed to sprint at me in a shopping center and hit me with a running haymaker in the head. My head bounced off the Post Office window I was stood next to, but I remembef not really feeling it with the adrenaline and certaonly not going down. So we started scrapping. Where did the technique and fast, powerful punches go? No idea, but I was not hitting like I could, I was more on autopilot and not particularly efficient. It just all went away. But... I had a big heavy mobile phone on me and I batgered him in the head a few times, even as we rolled out of the shopping center. Split his head open and off he went to hospiyal to het stitcjed up with his brother who was more worried about my friend turning up (a 19 stone bodybuilder with a bad temper and plenty of fighting experience). I went to the gym after.
But what a horrible, embarrassing, ugly situation. I hated it and all the adrenaline and so on. Could never figure out why adrenaline can make you feel so jittery and weak!
I think my respect for martial arts lost a lot after seeing many karate and judo matches where they looked like children fighting, pulling each others clothes and crappy looking strikes and kicks. Blackbelts too. I know, this is not really fair and martial arts can be very good, but a lot of them dont seem to be much use.
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Post by stuke on Oct 21, 2020 19:32:51 GMT
... I meant to say, in the fight I was pleased that a cheap shot haymaker did little to hurt me hahaha.
I dont think anything can beat real experience, like the rough kids had growing up, plenty of fights, but I am sure lifting weights, any sort of training is better than nothing, if only for a bit more strength and fitness.
Going back to my 19 stone friend (apologies for rambling here), he once got into a fight in a pub, well him and the other guy went outside to the carpark. Someone said to him, you're in trouble here, he's a champion kickboxer. Well, the fight began (I wasnt there) and my friend says this guy kept landing kicks on him, neck, head etc, he couldnt see them coming and was starting to think, I wont be able to take too much more of this - it was wearing him down, but then he got hold of the guy and game over, with his size and strength he finished it there and then.
He once took on two local tough guys, with the reputation as hard men not to be messed with, and battered them both together. Lets not even mention his weapons hahaha. To be honest, we got on well but I was glad when we lost touch because his life style was something I didnt want anything to do with.
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Post by joey5795 on Oct 21, 2020 19:41:09 GMT
Lee Morrison no bullshit self defence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 19:51:06 GMT
Good thread. I read Geoff Thomson's book years ago and it wasn't what I was expecting. From memory (so I could be wrong) he did not play macho like I expected and was actually quite scared in some situations. Nothing wrong with that, it is realistic for how most of us would be. He seemed to go around wired for dangerous situations, always ready, always sizing up and although this is obviously going to be a huge advantage, I could not and would not want to have to live like that. I did Thai Boxing for a short while, boxing for a bit longer but a lof of heavy bag work etc when I was younger and I could hit hard and fast, with little telegraphing. Never stopped me being scared of confrontation and I suppose really I should have practiced much nore sparring and realistic training. On one occasion, maybe 20 years ago, I had a bit of trouble with someone I knew over the phone. Long story short, even though I was expecting him, when he arrived he still managed to sprint at me in a shopping center and hit me with a running haymaker in the head. My head bounced off the Post Office window I was stood next to, but I remembef not really feeling it with the adrenaline and certaonly not going down. So we started scrapping. Where did the technique and fast, powerful punches go? No idea, but I was not hitting like I could, I was more on autopilot and not particularly efficient. It just all went away. But... I had a big heavy mobile phone on me and I batgered him in the head a few times, even as we rolled out of the shopping center. Split his head open and off he went to hospiyal to het stitcjed up with his brother who was more worried about my friend turning up (a 19 stone bodybuilder with a bad temper and plenty of fighting experience). I went to the gym after. But what a horrible, embarrassing, ugly situation. I hated it and all the adrenaline and so on. Could never figure out why adrenaline can make you feel so jittery and weak! I think my reslect for martial arts lost a lot after seeing many karate and judo matches where they looked like children fighting, pulling each others clothes and crappy looking strikes and kicks. Blackbelts too. I know, this is not really fair and martial arts can be very good, but a lot of them dont seem to be much use. Respect for your honesty stuke ! You're not alone mate we all feel anxious when we are confronted with violence it's just a natural human response but some people can use that energy to attack and get the job done where as some will just freeze up . It's about overcoming your fear just like everything else in life. I ain't had to defend myself in a good few years but i still get funny looks and tested on quite a regular basis especially from black people, I suppose because of my size, shaved head and tattoos, and i am always ready to fight on a daily basis , I know that sounds pretty fucked up and I'm sure a lot of it is to do with my upbringing and watching my mom get the shit kicked out of her and me and brothers also plus always being on edge due to my anxiety and depression . I agree with all them fancy moves going out the window once your adrenaline kicks in which is why fighters will meditate and do deep breathing before a fight to calm the nerves and improve focus . A prime example of nerves getting the better of you is this video here of Tyson v Spinks . Spinks had already lost the fight before Tyson even stepped in the ring . Mike's entrance put the fear in Spink and it was clear when he knocked him out in 91 seconds , Infact most of Tysons opponents had already lost before the fight began due to intimidation !
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Post by brothersteve on Oct 21, 2020 20:16:58 GMT
Baz, Great video! Around my way, there is no street fighting. Even 12 yr olds have knives, sharpened screw drivers and 'ghost' guns (those where parts are ordered from the inet and they assemble used by local gangs and make kids under age carry them because kids get off with sealed record here for up to 2/3 offenses). Mostly it's a person (even girls) who have something and shoot, hit, or stab with it. So what do you do then? Carry a weapon yourself? Maybe. But, if you bring a knife or baton to a gun fight you're in trouble AND that gives THEM the ability to say you started it and they were scared and finished it. A few yrs ago an ex army guy (25 yrs old was in a bar and another guy starts calling him out because the guy had been with his girlfriend. They went out into the street and when things start the army guy pulls a gun (for which he has registered it and has a concealed carry permit) and shoots the guy dead saying he was scared for his life and it was self defense as the other guy had buddies around. He got off the murder charge and is free. I know not all fights are like this, and that there are lots of scuffles, but you never want to be in the situation where somebody has a gun pointed at you. A lot of stabbings and shootings go on here. People who are afraid and not strong like kids and women use these. A 34 yr old woman was just shot and killed 3 days ago. I Googled her name and found she had been in trouble for assaulting others for over 10 yrs now. For these reasons I try to stay in shape and shadow box (I did some wrestling, Judo and, amateur boxing back in the day) moves. I don't usually carry, but am ready with my watch (a big cheapo that's weighty with a twistoflex type band to take off fast and use as knucks) and always wear a belt (with a big metal buckle to whip at someone which has a metal protrusion that fits the belthole so I don't fumble to get it off) that I can slip off in a second. For the street I believe in fighting dirty - anything goes and using whatever is around that's not on me. I mostly keep my fingers open (slight bend) for added reach and go for eyes and throat and to block the areas mentioned in the video - head throat and groin. I totally agree with the mental aspect (although it's not fun to always 'be on the ready' to fight) and ya gotta be fast, keep moving and be able to gauge distance - whether it's keeping distance or closing in. America is a different ball game as you have the right to carry arms and shoot if the situation calls for it and there is no amount of fighting skill that will get you out of that mess ! The UK has a serious knife problem which has only gotten worse over the past few years and especially in the area which i am from in Birmingham which is occupied by gangs (Burger boys and The Johnsons) . I love that you are prepared and ready to defend yourself if you ever needed to as I'm the same except guns are illegal here so we got to learn to protect ourselves and our loved ones with our bare hands and i think every man should work on keeping in shape to protect himself and his loved ones and especially in these crazy times where violence is a daily occurrence . I'm glad you enjoyed the video mate like i said he has quite a lot of stuff on YouTube and also a cracking book which i own called "watch my back" My father -in-laws girlfriends son is a cop and he always says "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." I don't look for trouble and stay away from places known for it and not a late nighter anymore, but I think of this phrase often when I see the bad news stories.
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