Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 16, 2020 19:38:52 GMT
I know this guy is a bodybuilder and it's not most guys thing here. I'm just interested in what he says about cardio and what thoughts You may have on the subject. Kind of makes sense to me.
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Post by gruntbrain on Aug 16, 2020 20:26:29 GMT
2 thumbs way up for Dr Len Schwartz's daily panaerobics( strength endurance) style of cardio.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2020 14:08:52 GMT
Mike O Hearn is not right. I know a few top natural bodybuilders and they do daily intense cardio 5 to 7 days a week for 40 - 60 minutes.
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Post by stuke on Aug 18, 2020 17:40:28 GMT
I know this guy is a bodybuilder and it's not most guys thing here. I'm just interested in what he says about cardio and what thoughts You may have on the subject. Kind of makes sense to me. I havent watched but would take anything he says with a pinch of salt, the man claims to be natural. |
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 18, 2020 18:01:14 GMT
I know this guy is a bodybuilder and it's not most guys thing here. I'm just interested in what he says about cardio and what thoughts You may have on the subject. Kind of makes sense to me. O'Hearn is 51 and claims to be 'natty', which I personally find hard to believe. My primary care physician and cardiologist both disagree on what he says here. They advocate about 20-30 minutes 5-7 days a week and to really do something (they say jog/run) to get the heart and lungs pumping hard. Personally, I think he makes sense. A walk is better than nothing and depending on the individuals fitness, it may be enough to get them really huffing. We can't walk where I live due to the weather. The winters average 130 inches of snow a year and it gets too cold and icy on the roads. I'm not for only doing something for 6 months and off again. I only do things that can be done year round. There are good cardio circuits that I helped my wife with such as doing shadow boxing, the Harvard step test, jumping jacks, mountain climbers, and burpees. Start slow and build up as your fitness increases. Can be done at home no matter the weather outside. I do think cardio should only be done 3-4 times a week, not daily. |
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Post by stormshadow on Aug 18, 2020 20:02:28 GMT
Hello everyone. Hope you are all doing well. I like to do something every day and always some cardio. Preferred walking or Concept 2 rower. I said while back, Clint Eastwood said he likes to earn his shower every day. I always liked that.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 18, 2020 20:38:33 GMT
EDIT:  (I had to add the emote since Bruce has made the effort to let us again, m8s! Hooray for Bruce!) __________________________________________________________________________________ Walking for hours every day is too much for anyone with normal mobility and decent fitness? What? My grandpa might tell you, "Don't be stupid." Mike O'Hearn probably never baled hay.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 18, 2020 20:50:46 GMT
2 thumbs way up for Dr Len Schwartz's daily panaerobics( strength endurance) style of cardio. Daily exercise of some amount is my habit. I enjoy it and intend to never stop. Lately, it's been DB's or stones, battle rope type thing w/ chain, dip, hang for the daily plus some other stuff thrown in occasionally. Oh, and I walk while working the DB's and stones, plus the things I do while standing or equating in place. Yup, that's right, I walk with weights every day! Mike O'Hearn is gonna puke!  |
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Post by MBS on Aug 18, 2020 21:54:18 GMT
I walk everyday, unless I’m hiking that day. I don’t view it as cardio though. I just enjoy walking, and it benefits me at many levels. Same with hiking.
In short, I’m active.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 18, 2020 23:04:20 GMT
The part that made sense to me was how the body adapts and after that, it doesn't really do much for You. The rest of what he says I would take with a grain of salt and not because they're not natty. I could care less about that because no matter what it takes hard work to look like that which I'm not worried about for myself. I agree with staying active which I have no choice. What do You think about the adapting part? I think it's good to adapt to work or what MBS is doing because that's useful stuff. Plus it can be enjoyable. I think too much cardio can be damaging to Your body. Overdoing or doing intense cardio all the time can't be good. Your body may adapt to it but it seems to me it would be more of an ego thing overdoing it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 10:43:53 GMT
The part that made sense to me was how the body adapts and after that, it doesn't really do much for You. .... I appreciate what people like SL, baz, JR, whiffet and others here have accomplished, but I'm not unhappy with the way that I look or how strong I am, etc. If I enjoy it and it makes me feel good, that's enough. I like the feeling of movement and muscles/connective tissue under tension/flexion. The exercises I do are not arranged in any predetermined sequential order and with no selected; sets, time tracking, rep count, intensity or ROM requirement, but done in random fashion regarding effort, speed, pauses, intensity, rest, ROM and patterns of movement. I do them in ways that are comfortable, sometimes easy and light and sometimes more challenging as I work to the level of fatigue I want to feel, where I want to feel it. Using different loads, manipulated in random ways and using no routine helps me to avoid adaptation to some degree, I'm supposing, but I'm not looking for something that will "do much" for me anyway. |
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Post by stuke on Aug 19, 2020 20:06:42 GMT
The part that made sense to me was how the body adapts and after that, it doesn't really do much for You. The rest of what he says I would take with a grain of salt and not because they're not natty. I could care less about that because no matter what it takes hard work to look like that which I'm not worried about for myself. I agree with staying active which I have no choice. What do You think about the adapting part? I think it's good to adapt to work or what MBS is doing because that's useful stuff. Plus it can be enjoyable. I think too much cardio can be damaging to Your body. Overdoing or doing intense cardio all the time can't be good. Your body may adapt to it but it seems to me it would be more of an ego thing overdoing it. Ok so I have watched it now. First of all, yes it takes hard work to look like that, it also takes a ton of gear, not to mention the facial work etc. Up to him of course, but he is preaching to people like a damn expert. He is an expert at what he does, he is not an expert on what naturals should do. That being said, it is an interesting theory about the adapting and then that exercise not doing anything for you. I can't agree with that really. Take for example somebody improving their resting heart rate - ie lowering it. Let's say they manage to lower it by 15 beats a minute. Then they no longer push to improve, are we supposed to believe that it is pointless and more damaging? Their heart is more efficient and under less exertion for say the other 23 hours a day where they are not exercising. Just one example and I dont believe the pizza story either. Mike is coming from a bodybuilder perspective, where the weights are be all end all, they always view cardio (hate that word) as somethibg that can easily overtrain them - on top of the weights. I think maybe it is good to have at least a day or two where you don't do any strenuous exercise, but I also think if you have a sit down job (I know you don't Michael) then it is perfectly possible to train hard 7 days a week should you wish. |
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 19, 2020 20:39:14 GMT
That all makes sense Stuke. Honestly, I know most of what You said. But how much cardio is worth it? I know bodybuilders use cardio to get ready for a contest or photoshoot. So when they do cardio it's inefficient because their body is not used to it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 21:18:32 GMT
....... But how much cardio is worth it? ...... Can you explain what you mean by that, Michael? How much (quantity)? Worth it (value)? |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 21:24:18 GMT
..... not to mention the facial work ...... Yes. Please don't mention it m8.  Hey, he's an actor! Gotta keep the bod, hence the gear and such. I really don't think those juicers should be allowed to preach how to get swole. They can lay on the couch, eat pizza and build muscle.  |
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