Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 19, 2020 21:28:45 GMT
....... But how much cardio is worth it? ...... Can you explain what you mean by that, Michael? How much (quantity)? Worth it (value)? I'm referring to quantity and intensity. What I'm trying to say is there's a point of diminishing returns. I can understand someone wanting to improve their cardio but how much is it really going to improve after a point. What's the value of going longer, more intense, or both?
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2020 21:34:44 GMT
OK, thanks. I think I understand. Sounds like an individual call depending on what they want to be able to do should the need arise. I think O'Hearn's 20 minutes of walking, three times per week is a good suggestion for someone 50 to 70 YO who just wants to have some general fitness, but it would't satisfy many of us, I bet.
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Post by moxohol on Aug 20, 2020 6:00:08 GMT
Can you explain what you mean by that, Michael? How much (quantity)? Worth it (value)? I'm referring to quantity and intensity. What I'm trying to say is there's a point of diminishing returns. I can understand someone wanting to improve their cardio but how much is it really going to improve after a point. What's the value of going longer, more intense, or both? It increases mitochondria density with time & improves stem cell function. In fact, they released 2 pivotal studies about aerobics & how it actually reverses biological age. Not 10 or 20 years but enough to warrant doing it because it promotes healing thru rejuvenated stem cells. It's why I'm doing panaerobics now. I sweat hard (mmm? Not with swimming) but my ticker isn't pumping furiously either. My joints are giving me a bit of trouble ATT. So, I'm swimming currently as it's a good aerobic exercise which also helps stroke & heart victims. Sure, anyone knows that swimming helps with joint problems but it's also alleviates my headaches & nagging wounds from the car accident. Strange & unscientific as it sounds?
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Post by Michael on Aug 20, 2020 9:30:05 GMT
I'm referring to quantity and intensity. What I'm trying to say is there's a point of diminishing returns. I can understand someone wanting to improve their cardio but how much is it really going to improve after a point. What's the value of going longer, more intense, or both? It increases mitochondria density with time & improves stem cell function. In fact, they released 2 pivotal studies about aerobics & how it actually reverses biological age. Not 10 or 20 years but enough to warrant doing it because it promotes healing thru rejuvenated stem cells. It's why I'm doing panaerobics now. I sweat hard (mmm? Not with swimming) but my ticker isn't pumping furiously either. My joints are giving me a bit of trouble ATT. So, I'm swimming currently as it's a good aerobic exercise which also helps stroke & heart victims. Sure, anyone knows that swimming helps with joint problems but it's also alleviates my headaches & nagging wounds from the car accident. Strange & unscientific as it sounds? I'm happy that what You're doing is helping You. I'm not a scientific kind of guy but I know there are studies. I'm not questioning if cardio is good. My question is how much before there is no value? How much intensity is really worth it? Pretty much everything I do throughout the day is anaerobic.
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Post by MBS on Aug 20, 2020 11:11:15 GMT
Technically, I haven’t done a cardio “ workout” for years.
When you’re on a trail at 10,000+ elevation, and you gain 1500+ feet over a mile or so, your heart will beat like a freight train, yet I don’t associate this activity as doing cardio “ work”. The health benefits are a byproduct of an enjoyable, challenging activity.
Find activities you enjoy, and your cardio benefits will be a byproduct, without the drudgery of doing formal cardio workouts.
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Post by moxohol on Aug 20, 2020 14:57:53 GMT
It increases mitochondria density with time & improves stem cell function. In fact, they released 2 pivotal studies about aerobics & how it actually reverses biological age. Not 10 or 20 years but enough to warrant doing it because it promotes healing thru rejuvenated stem cells. It's why I'm doing panaerobics now. I sweat hard (mmm? Not with swimming) but my ticker isn't pumping furiously either. My joints are giving me a bit of trouble ATT. So, I'm swimming currently as it's a good aerobic exercise which also helps stroke & heart victims. Sure, anyone knows that swimming helps with joint problems but it's also alleviates my headaches & nagging wounds from the car accident. Strange & unscientific as it sounds? I'm happy that what You're doing is helping You. I'm not a scientific kind of guy but I know there are studies. I'm not questioning if cardio is good. My question is how much before there is no value? How much intensity is really worth it? Pretty much everything I do throughout the day is anaerobic. The premise intended to convey is this: 50 years old & beyond that age, u can't have too much aerobics. Just like the Brooklyn Bridge can never have too much maintenance. It's 140 years old! We're not getting any younger. So, more maintenance is needed for older males. We're in systematic decline: the catabolism is overtaking the anabolism. The aerobic pathway can be changed by mechanical means & enhance homeostasis. I'm only scientific because I sit on my ass all day at home working online editing research papers. Plus, I can't diddy-bop on down to the local gym & kick it with the gym rats. Get some Bro-science. So, I have to pursue the science to get the results I want. I also come here to learn & get inspired by personal anecdote because u won't find it in Egypt. It's a totally different operating level & mindset here. I admit I throw my puffed up 2 cents in the forum occasionally & maybe some may think I do so to show off. If I truly was some prodigy, I'd be retired by age 40, living in Switzerland & having a world class personal trainer. It hasn't happened yet!
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Post by Michael on Aug 23, 2020 0:43:04 GMT
This guy kind of grew on me thought he was annoying at first. But he's kind of entertaining as Mr. P stated in another thread. His take on cardio:
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Post by zenqsavant on Aug 23, 2020 10:33:32 GMT
Man fitness is simple....fitness is a experiment and self actualization process..you cant put numbers and time on it monolithically..you cant be rigid cause its a fluctuating dynamic.
Cardio is too much when : muscle mass begins to atrophy and catablize itself
: feeling drained and no vitality
: pure strength begins to fall
: when you reach great strain and effort during the excercise period...I believe thats a instinctual terminating point
: when it becomes time consuming
In my experience too many talk about contiinual improvement..continual development...more and more
I believe damn all the experts and self appointed health and fitness gurus who theorize and conventualize whats best and what not to do..but I digress with the paradox of what I think but it makes most logical sense to me to avoid confusion.
Heres my final take that may give some perpetual clarity.
What the hell is so bad about adapting and maintaining and getting On with life in the most economic use of time.
When Cardio and strength is just right
: when you have attained the physique and proper amount of body mass you desire..
: when I have enough stamina to pursue reasonable expectations of daily life..without feeling beat up
: when a sustainable routine is developed that can be done without too much obligation of time..resources..but delievers world class results conducive to all around most likely expected events
: I believe optimun cardio and strength need not be a all day marathon affair...you can train a little...to do alot I learned...
: cardio is anything that induces deep breathing and gets circulatory system flowing...after you have effectivly stimulated those systems...anything in excess is diminishing in some form of another..think about it...now in the real world or day to day life..you can extend stamina events considerbaly longer than your training time frame
: I view the above with the same sense of Isometrics to stimulate strength...you tap dynamite with a hammer not pencil...and ur done..excessive aerobics is like tapping dynamite with a pencil exhaustimg and wearing of the body down...itz all about getting to the last rep first...I believe cardio is the same you blast into oxygen deficit zone...get the stimulation..
: its also a fact people dont think about at any fitness perfoemance level...theres a daily deconditiong period from when you finish your daily excercise...to when the next session occurs..so in a sense thers a daily shoreing up or increase just by the nature of it...cause your body would have to remain at that throttle 24 7 to stay even or consistent...but of course it may be imperceptical cause its session to session..but its a theory of relativity thing...so its cool your always improving by default
Just some thoughts from the temple...its only too much...when you say so..and your lifestyle says so
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Post by Michael on Aug 23, 2020 17:04:42 GMT
Good Post Zenqsavant! Just so You know, most of the time when I write a question I'm just trying to learn from what others say. I'm always thinking maybe I can pick up something from another's point of view. About the cardio thing, I know what's good for me cardio wise. I just see some people on forums and people around me going overboard on cardio. Some get no results from what I see and some just look so tired. They become obsessed with it. Training for me is one of the hobbies I enjoy which I do in the morning and does not interfere with my everyday life. If it does not make You feel good and You don't enjoy it, You need to reassess.
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Post by moxohol on Aug 23, 2020 17:19:00 GMT
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Post by zenqsavant on Aug 23, 2020 18:37:44 GMT
Absolutly michael..my observations and sentiments exactly..Im also like you Ill ask questions just for another POV only a fool ever stop learning...or maybe socrates would be more appropiate here...a unexamined life is not a life worth living.
Good article...it had me in the philosophy of it love the premise...but damn its still almost contradicting itself by having me do math probelms and count and time...too rigid yet..
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Post by Bob50 on Aug 23, 2020 18:51:26 GMT
After full body self-resistance exercises for 40-50 min, I walk on my stepper for 10-12 min. This combo is enough for me.
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Post by stuke on Aug 24, 2020 11:46:18 GMT
Good Post Zenqsavant! Just so You know, most of the time when I write a question I'm just trying to learn from what others say. I'm always thinking maybe I can pick up something from another's point of view. About the cardio thing, I know what's good for me cardio wise. I just see some people on forums and people around me going overboard on cardio. Some get no results from what I see and some just look so tired. They become obsessed with it. Training for me is one of the hobbies I enjoy which I do in the morning and does not interfere with my everyday life. If it does not make You feel good and You don't enjoy it, You need to reassess. From what I see a hell of a lot of people these days are desperate to impress others, to boost their status on social media, hence we see more and more silly behaviour and so called experts.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 20, 2021 3:07:31 GMT
Rather long, but some good info, IMO:
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