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Post by MBS on Oct 1, 2020 0:05:59 GMT
In this world of fake martial arts, it's nice to know that there is one true expert - the real deal! Many aspire to Master Ken’s greatness. So few achieve it.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 1, 2020 0:30:29 GMT
Behold as Master Ken masterfully runs circles around the self-proclaimed "Karate Hottie"
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Post by macky on Oct 1, 2020 7:48:20 GMT
Well there was such a video of a Tai Chi chap nearly getting his lights punched out on here, in some thread a while ago. The problem as always is the martial artist restricted to rules of sport combat, AND having no experience of continuing to fight through pain and the red mist while being pounded. The Tai Chi should have known better than to try on an obviously experienced and competent puncher, and I hope he had the grace to apologize to his class next session for being silly. He also demonstrated a lack of understanding of his own Tai Chi as a martial art developed for lethal combat, not just some beautiful chi kung drills practiced for good health and well-being. That's what's made a lot of people skeptical about the real value of certain martial arts styles/clubs/"masters" etc. They don't seem to remember that what they are watching all the time are matches of sport fighting under strict rules, even the so-called Mixed Martial Arts, which while having a few techniques that could perhaps be called MA drills, have no reality in lethal combat, even the neck choke. It takes years to properly learn a complete martial art, while a few months in a boxing ring will more likely do more for your fighting ability in the street than a whole lot of nice looking kata. Remember though that there is a huge difference being repeatedly hit by a gloved fist in the ring, than a bare fist. The street fighter generally is used to the latter. Because having an MA school is quite often about having to charge for services, it seems many masters who are not really masters at all teach fancy drills before their students have developed the inner (and outer) martial power and mental toughness in order to provide the solid base from which techniques of that style should then be taught. And even full-contact karate contests are still hampered by rules, many techniques not allowed because they are.......well.....martial (read "lethal"), such as tearing out an opponent's testicles, or thumbing out an eyeball. Martial is military, that's it. China had to stop having MA contests after Mao took over because half the contestants ended up dead, and the bulk of the rest were in hospital maimed. Many tales that weren't bullshit spoke of a master visiting a village confronted by the top fighter there who was dropped permanently on the spot by a single blow which hardly any of the onlookers saw. Others went to prison after killing their opponent with a single blow to the body ("Black Tiger Steals Heart"). Robert Smith went around finding masters of all styles in Taiwan during his tenure there in the 60's. He saw lots of bullshit, but plenty of genuine martial power remained, mainly from masters such as Wang Shu-chin, who made Gordon Anderson look good, but who was unbeaten by all the top karate masters in Japan of the day, Wang allowing them to punch away at his vast stomach without any effect at all, except a frustrated and humbled karateka. There's a link somewhere on google of a young karate champion being dropped to the deck in surprise by a tap on the top of his head during sparring, by Wang Shu-chin, a demonstration of what our Tai Chi exponent at the beginning of this post did NOT have. I read a couple of few of Robert Smith's books and enjoyed them though I did not realise at the time that the ones written as John Gilbey were tongue in cheek... As it turned out, not all of them. The cupped hand slap is a finisher when properly applied to the side of the head. I haven't ever had much in the way of "street" experience all through my life, but there was one instance when I was able to put an antagonist down with two consecutive cupped-hand slaps to the same side of the head. That's all, I was lucky. There is another chapter which deals with Indian boxing, where the fists are tempered to the extreme. Whether the iron plates being hammered by the sons? of the boxing expert are real, the genuine tournaments there in Indian were certainly lethal, although not as well known as the Chinese equivalents, many of the contestants being carted out deceased. There is nothing unbelievable about being hit in the face by a well-timed hardened fist that can smash 2" thick boards, and calling it a day permanently. Mas Oyama trained for that very ability ("One punch, certain kill") through his MA career. The kiai is known to have been developed in some quarters beyond a startling off-putting shout when on the attack. At least at close range, a full volume shout uttered at the "right" frequency can shatter the nerves for quite a while after. Ask my fucking step father.... oh hang on...he's deceased. Aaah, good job. Kiai-jutsu has been developed to a high degree, if my sources were correct, and if anything that is Japanese is of high standard, it's a fair bet it was developed in China first. There were one or two other chapters in "Gilbey's" book that at least had a basis of truth, from memory (I haven't read it for many years) and I suspect that Smith wrote it as an apparent tongue in cheek, but presented fighting techniques that in fact exist (at least some of them) coated in "writer's license". Smith was also very interested in internal arts, such as Pakua, Hsing-yi and Tai Chi, and his apparently ridiculous posture advocated for static chi-development, with the hands cupping the opposite ears while seated? has spawned some reports over the years as having quite good results. What of course has happened is that his instructions for breath and mental imagery have been followed sufficiently for results to become apparent, and that will happen with any number of hundreds of postures, seated and standing, static and moving in the chi kung literature, once regular and consistent training is followed.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 1, 2020 8:24:59 GMT
I read a couple of few of Robert Smith's books and enjoyed them though I did not realise at the time that the ones written as John Gilbey were tongue in cheek... As it turned out, not all of them. The cupped hand slap is a finisher when properly applied to the side of the head. I haven't ever had much in the way of "street" experience all through my life, but there was one instance when I was able to put an antagonist down with two consecutive cupped-hand slaps to the same side of the head. That's all, I was lucky............Smith was also very interested in internal arts, such as Pakua, Hsing-yi and Tai Chi, and his apparently ridiculous posture advocated for static chi-development, with the hands cupping the opposite ears while seated? has spawned some reports over the years as having quite good results. What of course has happened is that his instructions for breath and mental imagery have been followed sufficiently for results to become apparent, and that will happen with any number of hundreds of postures, seated and standing, static and moving in the chi kung literature, once regular and consistent training is followed. Well Prof. Phineas J. Whoopee? After that lengthy dissertation on your Three Dimensional Blackboard, I'd say a 3 Stooges eye poke seems a much easier option to do, and well?....just call it a day!
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Post by macky on Oct 1, 2020 9:47:07 GMT
Yes about ten years ago I bought a couple of 4-litre tins of resin and the curer, plus some Steelo pot scrubbers (without any cleaner embedded in them) and a bag of tumbled crystal fragments. I bought a stack of tin-foil baking trays with the usual dozen indents to make cookies with, a can of cooking oil spray, and used some copper wire laying around the place to make spirals. The resin and curer fumes are to be avoided, so I picked nice days with a bit of a breeze and made the "orgone cookies" up outside on an old plastic table. Mixing up in a litre plastic jug, then spraying the cooking oil in the trays so the product doesn't stick when hardened, then just two little drips of either green or blue out of my g/kids' water colours, then pouring the mixture into the tray indents for about a dozen and a half "cookies" per litre of mixture. Used tough scissors to chop up the steel pads into fragments, laced each "cookie" with same, put four of five crystal fragments in on top, then the spiral of wire. Make sure it's all submerged then leave to harden. Pop them out later and discard the tray. I made dozens of them and sent a few to the Philippines to people I know there, and to Canada. Gave them away to all our cobbers here, most who regarded them as novel ornaments, which is fine, but one or two (including myself) with a bit more sensitivity (gained in my case by chi kung) could feel vibrations coming from them, and used them for purposes unknown to me. I regarded the whole thing as a lotta fun, and later bought a large drum of resin (and curer) which I had to pick up at the shop's nearby warehouse, it being too dangerous to keep in the shop because of its size. Bought a metal bucket, three 5' lengths of water pipe, and made up a "cloud-buster" using the same format, mixing in a litre jug, gradually filling up the bucket with the pipes anchored at the roof of my tin shed, as the previous batch of mix hardened. Pouring fresh resin mix with curer onto already-hardened mix is no problem. It melds into one lot, which is also the reason why you don't place resin ornaments on furniture etc. nor leave them stacked. Pop them on a coaster, singly. Anyway, after more coils of wire in the bucket, along with multiple crystal fragments, and metal "filings" I left the whole thing to set in the shed, the pipes sticking up like barrels, with a single coil of wire wrapped around them for their whole length. Then I took it out of the shed and placed it near the back fence. My daughter who didn't know what I had made, came home from her work and remarked how much the air seemed fresh and clear around the place. I was quite pleased. But I didn't see my device busting any clouds or chemtrails, not even contrails, but according to an old chappie who had a whole industrial site full of copper healing devices and aerials out the back, my cloud-buster was "doing its job", whatever that meant. The odd visitor who was shown it by my daughter and/or son-in-law remarked they could "feel the vibes" from 40 feet away, and when I hammered in another pipe into the ground about five feet down with a sledge, screwed an earth-clip onto the pipe then connected it by thick copper wire to the bucket handle, the vibrations amplified even though the metal bucket was sitting on the ground. One of the persons I sent a "cookie" to was professionally into making such ornaments and suggested I go around with a group that was burying cookies at the bases of cell-phone towers all over Auckland. I can't say I go along with that, and respectfully declined. I must say though, that in the days I was in telecoms, I had been in a couple of equipment huts alongside cell-phone towers and was surprised at how much equipment was sitting there inside not being used. No speculations, just surprise. Understand I'm not into this sort of thing as a rule, but it was fun while it lasted. It wasn't an experiment in the same manner as the coil around the shrub, or the pyramid frame experiment of 42 years ago with three saucers of milk. Macky how on Earth did I miss your response here! Very interesting, at work now so only skimmed it but will go back and read properly. I have made orgonite in the past, no cloud buster and nothing bigger than a kitchen funnel size, with most being ice cube size or muffin tray size. Need to attach a pic ot two later. Try as I might I never felt anything from them, but a girl at work would get a small flicking sort of pain in her ear when she touched one in particular. We had her close her eyes and would place random ones on her hand, it was always this particular one only that produced the sensation. The ability to feel vibrations from such materials can be trained in various ways. Usually by chi kung drills simply practised as they should be in a relaxed manner, with no muscular tension other than enough to stand (or sit properly) and move the arms etc. Baduanjin is a good set, any style will be effective. I'm into Zhan Zhuang static postures at the moment, but the years of baduanjin and additional chi kung drills set me up for the sensitivity required to feel crystals and even art works that have not been mechanically put out, but are heart-felt expressions of the artist. A trip to a magnetic healer when my newly-diagnosed wife's (polycythemia) medicine wasn't working, resulted in my attending a weekend course run by the guy and a few months later I suddenly got the ability after a sudden spontaneous week of yoga stretching, something I normally have nothing to do with. We sort of don't really ascend in a steady manner in such things, rather we jump up onto new plateaux and spend time getting used to the new energies. At that point, one of the abilities I picked up was the perception of the vibrations emanating from crystals, which are coherent molecular mineral forms. As an example, picking up a clear quartz crystal, I can feel a whole lot of "micro-whirlpools" of energy in the palm of my hand. Other types of crystals have different vibes. There's nothing mystical or "occult" about it all, it's simply the old EM working, with EM-driven nerves newly able to feel the energies which have always been there, but unfelt by untrained hands/minds. A lot of the blocking for such things comes from excessive skepticism which really ends up being simple beliefs and the reluctance to be seen as some bliss-ninny. It's healthy to treat what may be unusual with skepticism, but try it on for a few months for one self, THEN form your opinions as to its authenticity. From my experiences with Skeptoid, a site supposedly for skeptics with a science base, those that called for solid evidence either ignored it or rejected it outright as being "unscientific" even when presented with the very evidence they supposedly required. They therefore exhibited simple belief, not considered skepticism. Your inability to feel vibrations of crystals in the "organite" may simply be that you're trying too hard. You have to relax and let things happen, not try to "will" things to happen.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 1, 2020 13:58:28 GMT
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Post by stuke on Oct 5, 2020 20:14:36 GMT
Macky how on Earth did I miss your response here! Very interesting, at work now so only skimmed it but will go back and read properly. I have made orgonite in the past, no cloud buster and nothing bigger than a kitchen funnel size, with most being ice cube size or muffin tray size. Need to attach a pic ot two later. Try as I might I never felt anything from them, but a girl at work would get a small flicking sort of pain in her ear when she touched one in particular. We had her close her eyes and would place random ones on her hand, it was always this particular one only that produced the sensation. The ability to feel vibrations from such materials can be trained in various ways. Usually by chi kung drills simply practised as they should be in a relaxed manner, with no muscular tension other than enough to stand (or sit properly) and move the arms etc. Baduanjin is a good set, any style will be effective. I'm into Zhan Zhuang static postures at the moment, but the years of baduanjin and additional chi kung drills set me up for the sensitivity required to feel crystals and even art works that have not been mechanically put out, but are heart-felt expressions of the artist. A trip to a magnetic healer when my newly-diagnosed wife's (polycythemia) medicine wasn't working, resulted in my attending a weekend course run by the guy and a few months later I suddenly got the ability after a sudden spontaneous week of yoga stretching, something I normally have nothing to do with. We sort of don't really ascend in a steady manner in such things, rather we jump up onto new plateaux and spend time getting used to the new energies. At that point, one of the abilities I picked up was the perception of the vibrations emanating from crystals, which are coherent molecular mineral forms. As an example, picking up a clear quartz crystal, I can feel a whole lot of "micro-whirlpools" of energy in the palm of my hand. Other types of crystals have different vibes. There's nothing mystical or "occult" about it all, it's simply the old EM working, with EM-driven nerves newly able to feel the energies which have always been there, but unfelt by untrained hands/minds. A lot of the blocking for such things comes from excessive skepticism which really ends up being simple beliefs and the reluctance to be seen as some bliss-ninny. It's healthy to treat what may be unusual with skepticism, but try it on for a few months for one self, THEN form your opinions as to its authenticity. From my experiences with Skeptoid, a site supposedly for skeptics with a science base, those that called for solid evidence either ignored it or rejected it outright as being "unscientific" even when presented with the very evidence they supposedly required. They therefore exhibited simple belief, not considered skepticism. Your inability to feel vibrations of crystals in the "organite" may simply be that you're trying too hard. You have to relax and let things happen, not try to "will" things to happen. Macky, I definitely don't class myself as skeptical aboutcthing like this usually, it was just the videos on You Tube that made me question it a bit. I remember reading Chinese Boxing:Masters and Methods by Robert Smith, and the two Gilbey ones, Secret Fighting Arts of the World and Way of a Warrior. I really enjoyed all three. I have a crystal collection myself so have always been interested. I need to look into the Chi Kung drills you mentioned, cheers.
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Post by macky on Oct 6, 2020 4:31:56 GMT
Macky, I definitely don't class myself as skeptical aboutcthing like this usually, it was just the videos on You Tube that made me question it a bit. I remember reading Chinese Boxing:Masters and Methods by Robert Smith, and the two Gilbey ones, Secret Fighting Arts of the World and Way of a Warrior. I really enjoyed all three. I have a crystal collection myself so have always been interested. I need to look into the Chi Kung drills you mentioned, cheers. It's sensible to be skeptical about Things Unfamiliar, and youtubes often do not help either. However the ones on my part of the Training Logs section on Sierra are pretty good. Just try one or two drills, such as Lift The Sky, or do (say) 500 reps of swinging arms (Ping Shuai) for a few months every day and you'll get good results, of course as long as you remember to relax as much as possible while performing the drills, and (gently) concentrating on the hara/lower dantian, with accompanying abdominal breathing. Obviously there has to be some muscle-power to stand up and move the arms, but one must relax as possible, not create tension by tensing the muscles, trying to hard, or concentrating too hard. Just be natural, an awareness of the lower abdomen, not an intent fixed focus that creates more tension. This is chi kung = energy work. Not conventional exercise. Chinese Boxing:Masters and Methods got me into all this back in 1978-ish. Smith's Pakua book was my training manual for the circling that I've written about on here several times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 7:25:35 GMT
Here's a pic of one of my mma fights , can't go wrong with muay thai, jiu jitsu and boxing
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Post by macky on Oct 6, 2020 9:25:30 GMT
Yes and you can't go wrong with all that, Baz, as you say. Top respect.
But true martial arts have no rules, no limits and no mercy in combat, which was the original idea behind karate (empty hand) tempering that could penetrate bamboo armour of soldiers, the use of farm implements as weapons, the short rapid close-range center-line punches and palm-heel jolts (get one of those under your jaw, then check the condition of your neck) of Wing Chun developed by Buddhist nuns to counter larger stronger opponents, and of course the take-out unarmed combat techniques of special forces of today.
Comparing one style with another is largely pointless. They were developed for different situations by people with different abilities and background.
MMA is a misnomer, you can get hurt no question, and in some cases you are pretty well-equipped to put away an antagonist in the street quite decisively using any of those three you've mentioned if you're fit and up to scratch.
In fact, I would rather face a karateka who has had a year's experience than a boxer with around three months of ring experience behind him, or an MMA who's had a few fights. They know by then what it's like to take hits and keep on fighting, whereas the average "martial arts" school member doesn't even know how to bring his/her techniques to a fight.
Pretty kata goes out the window in a flurry of desperate punches when the pain sets in.
But at the last, fighting under rules is not really martial arts. Masters/experts are skilled enough to temper their responses to old ladies trying to hit them with their brolly, but their training is for keeps, under lethal threat. Like the special forces, they don't train to knock them out, they train to take them out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 9:53:21 GMT
Yes and you can't go wrong with all that, Baz, as you say. Top respect. But true martial arts have no rules, no limits and no mercy in combat, which was the original idea behind karate (empty hand) tempering that could penetrate bamboo armour of soldiers, the use of farm implements as weapons, the short rapid close-range center-line punches and palm-heel jolts (get one of those under your jaw, then check the condition of your neck) of Wing Chun developed by Buddhist nuns to counter larger stronger opponents, and of course the take-out unarmed combat techniques of special forces of today. Comparing one style with another is largely pointless. They were developed for different situations by people with different abilities and background. MMA is a misnomer, you can get hurt no question, and in some cases you are pretty well-equipped to put away an antagonist in the street quite decisively using any of those three you've mentioned if you're fit and up to scratch. In fact, I would rather face a karateka who has had a year's experience than a boxer with around three months of ring experience behind him, or an MMA who's had a few fights. They know by then what it's like to take hits and keep on fighting, whereas the average "martial arts" school member doesn't even know how to bring his/her techniques to a fight. Pretty kata goes out the window in a flurry of desperate punches when the pain sets in. But at the last, fighting under rules is not really martial arts. Masters/experts are skilled enough to temper their responses to old ladies trying to hit them with their brolly, but their training is for keeps, under lethal threat. Like the special forces, they don't train to knock them out, they train to take them out. Fighting in a ring or cage is much different to fighting on the street which I've had my fair share of over the years . When I've had controlled fights in the ring their are obviously rules like timed rounds, breaks, tapping out, no headbutting, no biting, no weapons where as on the street anything goes and it is mainly a mentality thing , if you ain't got the balls to scrap then you've fucked it and no amount of jiu jitsu or boxing will help you out but if you are mentally strong , street wise and train in a martial arts then you are gonna be doing damage ! I've used my boxing and muay thai many times on the streets over the years and one time being when i was visiting my dad in Belfast . We bumped into a man in a pub who previously a few years prior had waited for my old man to get drunk before beating him with a sock and pool ball and ended up fracturing his jaw , so long story short i offer the man outside and i punched him and low kicked him and reigned continuous punches on him which left him in a coma which he is now out of and on crutches for the rest of his life . The next day I was told that the man was connected to the highest ranking IRA man in Nother Ireland (Eddie Copeland) and that i had 24 hours to get out of Belfast or me and the old man would be shot dead ! You can probably guess we haven't been back since .
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Post by moxohol on Oct 6, 2020 13:54:35 GMT
Yes and you can't go wrong with all that, Baz, as you say. Top respect. But true martial arts have no rules, no limits and no mercy in combat, which was the original idea behind karate (empty hand) tempering that could penetrate bamboo armour of soldiers, the use of farm implements as weapons, the short rapid close-range center-line punches and palm-heel jolts (get one of those under your jaw, then check the condition of your neck) of Wing Chun developed by Buddhist nuns to counter larger stronger opponents, and of course the take-out unarmed combat techniques of special forces of today. Comparing one style with another is largely pointless. They were developed for different situations by people with different abilities and background. MMA is a misnomer, you can get hurt no question, and in some cases you are pretty well-equipped to put away an antagonist in the street quite decisively using any of those three you've mentioned if you're fit and up to scratch. In fact, I would rather face a karateka who has had a year's experience than a boxer with around three months of ring experience behind him, or an MMA who's had a few fights. They know by then what it's like to take hits and keep on fighting, whereas the average "martial arts" school member doesn't even know how to bring his/her techniques to a fight. Pretty kata goes out the window in a flurry of desperate punches when the pain sets in. But at the last, fighting under rules is not really martial arts. Masters/experts are skilled enough to temper their responses to old ladies trying to hit them with their brolly, but their training is for keeps, under lethal threat. Like the special forces, they don't train to knock them out, they train to take them out. Fighting in a ring or cage is much different to fighting on the street which I've had my fair share of over the years . When I've had controlled fights in the ring their are obviously rules like timed rounds, breaks, tapping out, no headbutting, no biting, no weapons where as on the street anything goes and it is mainly a mentality thing , if you ain't got the balls to scrap then you've fucked it and no amount of jiu jitsu or boxing will help you out but if you are mentally strong , street wise and train in a martial arts then you are gonna be doing damage ! I've used my boxing and muay thai many times on the streets over the years and one time being when i was visiting my dad in Belfast . We bumped into a man in a pub who previously a few years prior had waited for my old man to get drunk before beating him with a sock and pool ball and ended up fracturing his jaw , so long story short i offer the man outside and i punched him and low kicked him and reigned continuous punches on him which left him in a coma which he is now out of and on crutches for the rest of his life . The next day I was told that the man was connected to the highest ranking IRA man in Nother Ireland (Eddie Copeland) and that i had 24 hours to get out of Belfast or me and the old man would be shot dead ! You can probably guess we haven't been back since .
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Post by macky on Oct 6, 2020 20:30:38 GMT
Yes and you can't go wrong with all that, Baz, as you say. Top respect. But true martial arts have no rules, no limits and no mercy in combat, which was the original idea behind karate (empty hand) tempering that could penetrate bamboo armour of soldiers, the use of farm implements as weapons, the short rapid close-range center-line punches and palm-heel jolts (get one of those under your jaw, then check the condition of your neck) of Wing Chun developed by Buddhist nuns to counter larger stronger opponents, and of course the take-out unarmed combat techniques of special forces of today. Comparing one style with another is largely pointless. They were developed for different situations by people with different abilities and background. MMA is a misnomer, you can get hurt no question, and in some cases you are pretty well-equipped to put away an antagonist in the street quite decisively using any of those three you've mentioned if you're fit and up to scratch. In fact, I would rather face a karateka who has had a year's experience than a boxer with around three months of ring experience behind him, or an MMA who's had a few fights. They know by then what it's like to take hits and keep on fighting, whereas the average "martial arts" school member doesn't even know how to bring his/her techniques to a fight. Pretty kata goes out the window in a flurry of desperate punches when the pain sets in. But at the last, fighting under rules is not really martial arts. Masters/experts are skilled enough to temper their responses to old ladies trying to hit them with their brolly, but their training is for keeps, under lethal threat. Like the special forces, they don't train to knock them out, they train to take them out. Fighting in a ring or cage is much different to fighting on the street which I've had my fair share of over the years . When I've had controlled fights in the ring their are obviously rules like timed rounds, breaks, tapping out, no headbutting, no biting, no weapons where as on the street anything goes and it is mainly a mentality thing , if you ain't got the balls to scrap then you've fucked it and no amount of jiu jitsu or boxing will help you out but if you are mentally strong , street wise and train in a martial arts then you are gonna be doing damage ! I've used my boxing and muay thai many times on the streets over the years and one time being when i was visiting my dad in Belfast . We bumped into a man in a pub who previously a few years prior had waited for my old man to get drunk before beating him with a sock and pool ball and ended up fracturing his jaw , so long story short i offer the man outside and i punched him and low kicked him and reigned continuous punches on him which left him in a coma which he is now out of and on crutches for the rest of his life . The next day I was told that the man was connected to the highest ranking IRA man in Nother Ireland (Eddie Copeland) and that i had 24 hours to get out of Belfast or me and the old man would be shot dead ! You can probably guess we haven't been back since . Serious stuff Baz, and I respect your abilities and experience. You're in a war zone. Opposing forces using guns, bombs etc. Under such circumstances, street fighting can become martial art, no question. You've also confirmed what I've said about sport fighting under rules and being called Mixed Martial Arts. It's not. I'm old enough to have worked with (and friends of) many war veterans (WWII, Korea and Vietnam), plus guys from all over the world, including Irish of both green and orange lineage. Over here I've worked in an office (1966) who had a guy from Belfast and another from Dublin sitting together, the Dublin chap in his mid-60s involved in the 1917 uprising receiving a medal for his service as late as then. (Michael Lynch) The Belfast chappie (Johnny Diamond) had carried a Luger around with him in his teenage and early 20s years. The upshot was that both of them got on famously and freely discussed "matters" in a gentlemanly and friendly manner. Not a hint of animosity in either of them. I spent 15 months with them. They were great guys. Later (1981) after I had spent years in the telephone/lines section of the 3-department Post Office (NZ) I worked with another little Irishman who spoke of the odd Irish guy going around taking donations for the IRA, in their Irish club in Auckland, and being told to "fuck off, we don't want to bring all that shit over here, we left that behind years ago when we came here". Others spoke of "the Troubles" when we were installing phones in their houses, thoroughly sick of it all. In Wellington I worked in (and played in a scratch group) a pub called the Shamrock Hotel. It was mainly populated with southern Irish but "oh yaas, we let dem in, arss long arss dey beheve demsolves" when talking about northerners. Apart from the odd vocally militant, it seems once the Irish get here, things cool down and they start enjoying a more peaceful life, not wanting to go back on what was over there. I'm not saying NZ hasn't got its violence and crackpots, but I think it's little bit quieter than there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 21:28:26 GMT
Serious stuff Baz, and I respect your abilities and experience. You're in a war zone. Opposing forces using guns, bombs etc. Under such circumstances, street fighting can become martial art, no question. You've also confirmed what I've said about sport fighting under rules and being called Mixed Martial Arts. It's not. I'm old enough to have worked with (and friends of) many war veterans (WWII, Korea and Vietnam), plus guys from all over the world, including Irish of both green and orange lineage. Over here I've worked in an office (1966) who had a guy from Belfast and another from Dublin sitting together, the Dublin chap in his mid-60s involved in the 1917 uprising receiving a medal for his service as late as then. (Michael Lynch) The Belfast chappie (Johnny Diamond) had carried a Luger around with him in his teenage and early 20s years. The upshot was that both of them got on famously and freely discussed "matters" in a gentlemanly and friendly manner. Not a hint of animosity in either of them. I spent 15 months with them. They were great guys. Later (1981) after I had spent years in the telephone/lines section of the 3-department Post Office (NZ) I worked with another little Irishman who spoke of the odd Irish guy going around taking donations for the IRA, in their Irish club in Auckland, and being told to "fuck off, we don't want to bring all that shit over here, we left that behind years ago when we came here". Others spoke of "the Troubles" when we were installing phones in their houses, thoroughly sick of it all. In Wellington I worked in (and played in a scratch group) a pub called the Shamrock Hotel. It was mainly populated with southern Irish but "oh yaas, we let dem in, arss long arss dey beheve demsolves" when talking about northerners. Apart from the odd vocally militant, it seems once the Irish get here, things cool down and they start enjoying a more peaceful life, not wanting to go back on what was over there. I'm not saying NZ hasn't got its violence and crackpots, but I think it's little bit quieter than there. Hey macky , interesting stuff mate i enjoyed reading that . I've been brought up by my old man with some chilling stories that he and his family experienced back in the 60s and 70s . My dads mom (my grandmother) use to let the IRA bring English soldiers into her back yard and shoot them while my dad and his brothers and sisters were in their rooms. My dad suffers with serious PTSD from the stuff he seen back then and from his time in the IRA . I remember being a kid in bed at night while my old man was downstairs listening to Irish rebel songs and would hear him crying and smashing the livingroom up , smashing glasses , cursing about the Brits and protestans. He also use to beat the living shit out of my old dear and me and my brothers would try break it up but would get the shit beat out of us too . I always hated him as a kid but now I suffer with similar problems ,anxiety and depression and i can see why he acted the way he did, even though i still don't agree with what he did i understand .
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