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Post by stuke on Mar 9, 2020 15:11:02 GMT
As an additional account re the Earth's magnetic field acting as permanent magnets on the circling nervous system as one rotates, like an electric generator, I tried an experiment on a shrub back in the early 80's at my previous house, that was all but dead. The branches when broken off looked almost done for, and that carried on for a couple years. There were no leaves on it, no flowers.
I had read in the early 60's in a popular science book of the day, of a radio telescope that pointed a whole array of tuned coils at the sky, and an accompanying diagram showed EM radiation being focused into said coils like a lens. In other words, more radiation than the diameter of the coils was gathered and focused.
I reasoned that we live and bathe in the Earth's magnetic field all the days of our lives, plants, animals, humans, so I snaffled some insulated line wire from my telephone/line depot and made up a tuned coil that I fastened to a six-foot length of stick, the insulation preventing the shorting out of the coil when the stick got wet in the rain. If I managed to focus more of what we normally live in, maybe the shrub might benefit.
In my area, the angle of dip in the Earth's magnetic field is about 22 degrees from horizontal, so I dowsed magnetic North, then placed the coil over the dormant shrub angled as such, hopefully for maximum effect.
My wife naturally thought I had lost a sandwich out of my picnic basket, but I assured her that things were still stable, and we waited and waited for results. Five weeks went by with nothing apparently happening, then one bright morning in the sixth week, I drew aside the curtains and there was the shrub covered with tiny leaves overnight.
The wife stood at the window for a very long time. Nothing was said. The very next morning there were little flowers forming on the shrub among the growing leaves. More silence from the feminine side of the family.
I informed my wife that the next phase of the experiment was about to begin and I took the coil away from the shrub. The next morning there was nothing left on the trunk and branches. The leaves and flowers lay on the ground around it. End of experiment.
I later read in one of Bruce Cathie's books (he's the Kiwi airline pilot that predicted the times when the French would detonate their nuclear bombs, using his harmonic maths that he had developed) that he had tried much the same type of experiment, using dozens of plants, some with coils, and some without, then after a time measuring their growth. The ones with coils were significantly bigger.
I'm sure that the rotating of the body with the arms outstretched as in (say) the first Tibetan has a significant effect on the overall health, as long as it's not overdone. Swinging arms as in Ping Shuai, the same. The arms swinging through the magnetic field back and forth from a relatively static body contributes to the generation of chi, enhanced further with Dantien meditation.
I also speculate that it is the uninsulated high-speed travelling in airliners through the Earth's magnetic field that has a lot to do with jet lag, in aluminium aircraft. Cars are made of mild steel so they act more as Faraday cages than an aircraft. I've driven for 11 hours straight in my car (apart from a couple of stops for a leak) and felt quite fresh on arrival.
Very interesting, have you dabbled with orgonite at all?
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Post by Bob50 on Mar 10, 2020 3:09:01 GMT
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Post by macky on Mar 10, 2020 3:18:08 GMT
Yes about ten years ago I bought a couple of 4-litre tins of resin and the curer, plus some Steelo pot scrubbers (without any cleaner embedded in them) and a bag of tumbled crystal fragments.
I bought a stack of tin-foil baking trays with the usual dozen indents to make cookies with, a can of cooking oil spray, and used some copper wire laying around the place to make spirals.
The resin and curer fumes are to be avoided, so I picked nice days with a bit of a breeze and made the "orgone cookies" up outside on an old plastic table. Mixing up in a litre plastic jug, then spraying the cooking oil in the trays so the product doesn't stick when hardened, then just two little drips of either green or blue out of my g/kids' water colours, then pouring the mixture into the tray indents for about a dozen and a half "cookies" per litre of mixture.
Used tough scissors to chop up the steel pads into fragments, laced each "cookie" with same, put four of five crystal fragments in on top, then the spiral of wire. Make sure it's all submerged then leave to harden. Pop them out later and discard the tray.
I made dozens of them and sent a few to the Philippines to people I know there, and to Canada. Gave them away to all our cobbers here, most who regarded them as novel ornaments, which is fine, but one or two (including myself) with a bit more sensitivity (gained in my case by chi kung) could feel vibrations coming from them, and used them for purposes unknown to me.
I regarded the whole thing as a lotta fun, and later bought a large drum of resin (and curer) which I had to pick up at the shop's nearby warehouse, it being too dangerous to keep in the shop because of its size. Bought a metal bucket, three 5' lengths of water pipe, and made up a "cloud-buster" using the same format, mixing in a litre jug, gradually filling up the bucket with the pipes anchored at the roof of my tin shed, as the previous batch of mix hardened. Pouring fresh resin mix with curer onto already-hardened mix is no problem. It melds into one lot, which is also the reason why you don't place resin ornaments on furniture etc. nor leave them stacked. Pop them on a coaster, singly.
Anyway, after more coils of wire in the bucket, along with multiple crystal fragments, and metal "filings" I left the whole thing to set in the shed, the pipes sticking up like barrels, with a single coil of wire wrapped around them for their whole length. Then I took it out of the shed and placed it near the back fence.
My daughter who didn't know what I had made, came home from her work and remarked how much the air seemed fresh and clear around the place. I was quite pleased. But I didn't see my device busting any clouds or chemtrails, not even contrails, but according to an old chappie who had a whole industrial site full of copper healing devices and aerials out the back, my cloud-buster was "doing its job", whatever that meant.
The odd visitor who was shown it by my daughter and/or son-in-law remarked they could "feel the vibes" from 40 feet away, and when I hammered in another pipe into the ground about five feet down with a sledge, screwed an earth-clip onto the pipe then connected it by thick copper wire to the bucket handle, the vibrations amplified even though the metal bucket was sitting on the ground.
One of the persons I sent a "cookie" to was professionally into making such ornaments and suggested I go around with a group that was burying cookies at the bases of cell-phone towers all over Auckland. I can't say I go along with that, and respectfully declined. I must say though, that in the days I was in telecoms, I had been in a couple of equipment huts alongside cell-phone towers and was surprised at how much equipment was sitting there inside not being used. No speculations, just surprise.
Understand I'm not into this sort of thing as a rule, but it was fun while it lasted. It wasn't an experiment in the same manner as the coil around the shrub, or the pyramid frame experiment of 42 years ago with three saucers of milk.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 10, 2020 9:37:45 GMT
So, orgonite is metal bits and quartz crystals suspended in petrochemicals?
No wonder my car seems alive! The lubrication system is circulating organite!
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Post by macky on Mar 10, 2020 18:59:21 GMT
Check out Wilhelm Reich, Trevor Constable, and Bruce Cathie if you're interested.
I was into Cathie's maths and radio aerial research around South Auckland in the late 70s-early 80s. I saw and experienced enough to know that 'something' unusual was going on with some of the so-called radio hams around the area, travelling as I did everywhere in the course of my telecoms job and making up a map of aerial locations as I went etc.
I never caught site of a 'UFO' as such, but did see some night-time aerial phenomena that were certainly unusual, green fireball for one. At least two work-mates reported sightings of UFOs, one taking on water at one of the dams up in the hills. This guy wasn't a dreamer, he spent the war (British commando) in Changi. Another was in a group of campers, many of who saw the UFO.
Google 'Kaikoura Lights' for some group sightings. The nonsensical explanations by the Establishment included 'fishing boat lights reflecting off clouds', despite the fact that the sightings also produced solid radar returns not only from the Argosy aircraft, but from Wellington ATC radar that was in radio contact during the times the UFOs were being tracked, said radar returns matching the visuals.
Recently I tried to get the official report on the Kaikoura sightings sent to me from the Wellington Archives, which had been classified after the sightings. Even after all this time, the report remains classified, according to my correspondent.
In the early 90s one of the technicians in the Auckland CPD was into Wilhelm Reich 'cloud-buster' experiments and reported UFO activity in the sky where he was pointing his device. It was quite strange that both he and I saw the same green fireball (same time, same direction) despite being at least 20 miles distant from each other.
I'm not hugely into this sort of thing, but there's a lot of goings-on that most of the population is either unaware of, don't know about, or simply don't believe. Most seem to regard UFO enthusiasts as nutters etc, having been thoroughly influenced by media, but even a casual inspection on Amazon Books of such material reveals that most of the authors and proponents are academics or at least competent professionals, as Cathie was (an airline pilot). Re Cathie, many of his fellow pilots quietly reported to him that they had also seem strange aerial phenomena in the course of their flights, and there are some pretty solid reports of airport ATCs tracking objects that weren't on any flight plan for the area.
I've drifted away from the original subject of this thread, but I mention these things as further examples of "things that most don't believe in", original force, internal force, chi, life force etc as it pertains to "martial" arts and fighting applications.
And I maintain that there is a common denominator between chi and its various labels, orgone energy etc, and the means by which at least some of the unidentified vehicles/objects sighted over the decades propel themselves, as an example.
That tie-up is simply the generation and uses of electro-magnetic energy, both mechanical and personal (chi kung) and I believe from my own experiences through the years that much of what has been known for a very long time by Authority is suppressed from the general public, quite easily in most cases because most people seem far more driven and interested in athletes running around a paddock chasing a bag of wind and being told on Sundays that they've been so naughty they will have to ask for forgiveness or they might end up in that "Other Place", not Heaven.
The Arcane that Fred refers to is staring at us in the face. Our life-forms on this planet bathe in a sea of EM. We resonate, live and die in it. Some of it has been enhanced by kung fu masters with diligent training, resulting in feats that are beyond 'normal' scientific explanation.
Our forefathers may have known nothing about el & mag as such, but intuitively and anecdotally they used it for health, strength, and combat, and were able to map its courses through the body in fairly precise fashion and times of day.
Such knowledge is often rubbished by "skeptics" and modern-day scientists firmly under the control of corporate money and power.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 11, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
Whoa!
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Post by stuke on Sept 29, 2020 13:58:16 GMT
Found this, quite the opposite of the fake martial arts masters, but note we see the usual martial arts 'stunts' without any signs of cultivating chi
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Post by macky on Sept 30, 2020 5:26:35 GMT
That's certainly not martial arts, it's a breaking show. Of course one wouldn't want to be caught with one of those guys coming at you, but breaking in the old schools wasn't a show for the people, as it is today even in some quarters of "Shaolin" in China.
It was a personal test of one's training, either in the "hard" style, or the "inner" style. In the hard style, body hardening including hands were undertaken progressively and carefully in order not to damage the nervous system, or at least keep it to a minimum. Such damage that did occur often rendered hands unable to perform complex movements, and the promotion of inner aggression along with the accompanying nervous disorders that if at first did not appear, became evident later in life.
The over-training required in both aggression and body-hardening often left a short life. Mas Oyama was a classic example, gone at 70. And if you think that chopping off the horn of a bull is martial art, then what you see in the video is an extension of showmanship which has very little to do with the original reasons for martial arts to be trained.
In the internal MA techniques, the first thing required of a pupil was to become healthy, not bulky or necessarily muscular, but with internal organs that were up to the stresses and strains of various training techniques, a prime being some form of Zhan Zhuang, either Ma Bu (horse stance) or the Yi Quan/Tai Chi styles of standing. Pakua circling etc.
That lead when the master was satisfied of the pupil's progress, to simple chi kung drills, sometimes with some basic combat forms depending on the style.
If one looks at Yi Quan for example, ZZ is a large part of training right through one's life, and forms (kata) have no place in the system at all. Just some basic steps and responses to attacks etc. Yet Wang Xiangzhai defeated all comers with it, and as far as I know, was never beaten in his life by any master of any style, "hard" or "soft" after he consolidated all his martial arts training into one stripped-down style, Yi-Quan.
Wong Kiew Kit's Shaolin has many kata forms but is essentially an internal martial art, and has some brick-breaking in its training, only for the testing of internal power, not as a spectator show. There are also several martial arts styles that have both hard and internal aspects to them.
As such, if the gentlemen in the videos hit three bricks stacked on top of each other without supports at the end, and only the bottom brick broke, or if someone was pushed over by a master on the other side of a wall out of sight, THEN I would be impressed.
All those blokes are doing is what any strong person trained to do that sort of thing should be able to do. And I'll bet that the guy that ran at the ice blocks won't be doing that even in his sixties. It looks like he had a pad under his cap anyway, and the video cut before we could see if he got to his feet after.
There's nothing in that video that could be called martial arts of any sort. They are impressively strong men and credit due, but that's it.
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Post by stuke on Sept 30, 2020 9:39:58 GMT
Good detailed response Macky. I merely happened across the video and thought it would fit well here. I became severly disillusioned with the value of martial arts in actual fighting after seeing so many videos of masters and experts being destroyed by someone well trained in mixed martial arts (ie usually it is enough to be someone who is good at no nonsense punching...).
I would love to see a traditional martial artist use their technique effectively against someone who is not just one of their students.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 30, 2020 10:11:50 GMT
As an additional account re the Earth's magnetic field acting as permanent magnets on the circling nervous system as one rotates, like an electric generator, I tried an experiment on a shrub back in the early 80's at my previous house, that was all but dead. The branches when broken off looked almost done for, and that carried on for a couple years. There were no leaves on it, no flowers.........I also speculate that it is the uninsulated high-speed travelling in airliners through the Earth's magnetic field that has a lot to do with jet lag, in aluminium aircraft. Cars are made of mild steel so they act more as Faraday cages than an aircraft. I've driven for 11 hours straight in my car (apart from a couple of stops for a leak) and felt quite fresh on arrival. Very interesting, have you dabbled with orgonite at all? What about kryptonite too?
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Post by stuke on Sept 30, 2020 10:28:49 GMT
Yes about ten years ago I bought a couple of 4-litre tins of resin and the curer, plus some Steelo pot scrubbers (without any cleaner embedded in them) and a bag of tumbled crystal fragments. I bought a stack of tin-foil baking trays with the usual dozen indents to make cookies with, a can of cooking oil spray, and used some copper wire laying around the place to make spirals. The resin and curer fumes are to be avoided, so I picked nice days with a bit of a breeze and made the "orgone cookies" up outside on an old plastic table. Mixing up in a litre plastic jug, then spraying the cooking oil in the trays so the product doesn't stick when hardened, then just two little drips of either green or blue out of my g/kids' water colours, then pouring the mixture into the tray indents for about a dozen and a half "cookies" per litre of mixture. Used tough scissors to chop up the steel pads into fragments, laced each "cookie" with same, put four of five crystal fragments in on top, then the spiral of wire. Make sure it's all submerged then leave to harden. Pop them out later and discard the tray. I made dozens of them and sent a few to the Philippines to people I know there, and to Canada. Gave them away to all our cobbers here, most who regarded them as novel ornaments, which is fine, but one or two (including myself) with a bit more sensitivity (gained in my case by chi kung) could feel vibrations coming from them, and used them for purposes unknown to me. I regarded the whole thing as a lotta fun, and later bought a large drum of resin (and curer) which I had to pick up at the shop's nearby warehouse, it being too dangerous to keep in the shop because of its size. Bought a metal bucket, three 5' lengths of water pipe, and made up a "cloud-buster" using the same format, mixing in a litre jug, gradually filling up the bucket with the pipes anchored at the roof of my tin shed, as the previous batch of mix hardened. Pouring fresh resin mix with curer onto already-hardened mix is no problem. It melds into one lot, which is also the reason why you don't place resin ornaments on furniture etc. nor leave them stacked. Pop them on a coaster, singly. Anyway, after more coils of wire in the bucket, along with multiple crystal fragments, and metal "filings" I left the whole thing to set in the shed, the pipes sticking up like barrels, with a single coil of wire wrapped around them for their whole length. Then I took it out of the shed and placed it near the back fence. My daughter who didn't know what I had made, came home from her work and remarked how much the air seemed fresh and clear around the place. I was quite pleased. But I didn't see my device busting any clouds or chemtrails, not even contrails, but according to an old chappie who had a whole industrial site full of copper healing devices and aerials out the back, my cloud-buster was "doing its job", whatever that meant. The odd visitor who was shown it by my daughter and/or son-in-law remarked they could "feel the vibes" from 40 feet away, and when I hammered in another pipe into the ground about five feet down with a sledge, screwed an earth-clip onto the pipe then connected it by thick copper wire to the bucket handle, the vibrations amplified even though the metal bucket was sitting on the ground. One of the persons I sent a "cookie" to was professionally into making such ornaments and suggested I go around with a group that was burying cookies at the bases of cell-phone towers all over Auckland. I can't say I go along with that, and respectfully declined. I must say though, that in the days I was in telecoms, I had been in a couple of equipment huts alongside cell-phone towers and was surprised at how much equipment was sitting there inside not being used. No speculations, just surprise. Understand I'm not into this sort of thing as a rule, but it was fun while it lasted. It wasn't an experiment in the same manner as the coil around the shrub, or the pyramid frame experiment of 42 years ago with three saucers of milk. Macky how on Earth did I miss your response here! Very interesting, at work now so only skimmed it but will go back and read properly. I have made orgonite in the past, no cloud buster and nothing bigger than a kitchen funnel size, with most being ice cube size or muffin tray size. Need to attach a pic ot two later. Try as I might I never felt anything from them, but a girl at work would get a small flicking sort of pain in her ear when she touched one in particular. We had her close her eyes and would place random ones on her hand, it was always this particular one only that produced the sensation.
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Post by macky on Sept 30, 2020 19:40:57 GMT
Very interesting, have you dabbled with orgonite at all? What about kryptonite too? I couldn't get clearance from the kryptonite storage depot for any samples. I suspect Superman may have had something to do with their decision not to release any to members of the public.
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Post by macky on Sept 30, 2020 20:13:21 GMT
Good detailed response Macky. I merely happened across the video and thought it would fit well here. I became severly disillusioned with the value of martial arts in actual fighting after seeing so many videos of masters and experts being destroyed by someone well trained in mixed martial arts (ie usually it is enough to be someone who is good at no nonsense punching...). I would love to see a traditional martial artist use their technique effectively against someone who is not just one of their students. Well there was such a video of a Tai Chi chap nearly getting his lights punched out on here, in some thread a while ago. The problem as always is the martial artist restricted to rules of sport combat, AND having no experience of continuing to fight through pain and the red mist while being pounded. The Tai Chi should have known better than to try on an obviously experienced and competent puncher, and I hope he had the grace to apologize to his class next session for being silly. He also demonstrated a lack of understanding of his own Tai Chi as a martial art developed for lethal combat, not just some beautiful chi kung drills practiced for good health and well-being. That's what's made a lot of people skeptical about the real value of certain martial arts styles/clubs/"masters" etc. They don't seem to remember that what they are watching all the time are matches of sport fighting under strict rules, even the so-called Mixed Martial Arts, which while having a few techniques that could perhaps be called MA drills, have no reality in lethal combat, even the neck choke. It takes years to properly learn a complete martial art, while a few months in a boxing ring will more likely do more for your fighting ability in the street than a whole lot of nice looking kata. Remember though that there is a huge difference being repeatedly hit by a gloved fist in the ring, than a bare fist. The street fighter generally is used to the latter. Because having an MA school is quite often about having to charge for services, it seems many masters who are not really masters at all teach fancy drills before their students have developed the inner (and outer) martial power and mental toughness in order to provide the solid base from which techniques of that style should then be taught. And even full-contact karate contests are still hampered by rules, many techniques not allowed because they are.......well.....martial (read "lethal"), such as tearing out an opponent's testicles, or thumbing out an eyeball. Martial is military, that's it. China had to stop having MA contests after Mao took over because half the contestants ended up dead, and the bulk of the rest were in hospital maimed. Many tales that weren't bullshit spoke of a master visiting a village confronted by the top fighter there who was dropped permanently on the spot by a single blow which hardly any of the onlookers saw. Others went to prison after killing their opponent with a single blow to the body ("Black Tiger Steals Heart"). Robert Smith went around finding masters of all styles in Taiwan during his tenure there in the 60's. He saw lots of bullshit, but plenty of genuine martial power remained, mainly from masters such as Wang Shu-chin, who made Gordon Anderson look good, but who was unbeaten by all the top karate masters in Japan of the day, Wang allowing them to punch away at his vast stomach without any effect at all, except a frustrated and humbled karateka. There's a link somewhere on google of a young karate champion being dropped to the deck in surprise by a tap on the top of his head during sparring, by Wang Shu-chin, a demonstration of what our Tai Chi exponent at the beginning of this post did NOT have.
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Post by stuke on Sept 30, 2020 21:49:47 GMT
Good detailed response Macky. I merely happened across the video and thought it would fit well here. I became severly disillusioned with the value of martial arts in actual fighting after seeing so many videos of masters and experts being destroyed by someone well trained in mixed martial arts (ie usually it is enough to be someone who is good at no nonsense punching...). I would love to see a traditional martial artist use their technique effectively against someone who is not just one of their students. Well there was such a video of a Tai Chi chap nearly getting his lights punched out on here, in some thread a while ago. The problem as always is the martial artist restricted to rules of sport combat, AND having no experience of continuing to fight through pain and the red mist while being pounded. The Tai Chi should have known better than to try on an obviously experienced and competent puncher, and I hope he had the grace to apologize to his class next session for being silly. He also demonstrated a lack of understanding of his own Tai Chi as a martial art developed for lethal combat, not just some beautiful chi kung drills practiced for good health and well-being. That's what's made a lot of people skeptical about the real value of certain martial arts styles/clubs/"masters" etc. They don't seem to remember that what they are watching all the time are matches of sport fighting under strict rules, even the so-called Mixed Martial Arts, which while having a few techniques that could perhaps be called MA drills, have no reality in lethal combat, even the neck choke. It takes years to properly learn a complete martial art, while a few months in a boxing ring will more likely do more for your fighting ability in the street than a whole lot of nice looking kata. Remember though that there is a huge difference being repeatedly hit by a gloved fist in the ring, than a bare fist. The street fighter generally is used to the latter. Because having an MA school is quite often about having to charge for services, it seems many masters who are not really masters at all teach fancy drills before their students have developed the inner (and outer) martial power and mental toughness in order to provide the solid base from which techniques of that style should then be taught. And even full-contact karate contests are still hampered by rules, many techniques not allowed because they are.......well.....martial (read "lethal"), such as tearing out an opponent's testicles, or thumbing out an eyeball. Martial is military, that's it. China had to stop having MA contests after Mao took over because half the contestants ended up dead, and the bulk of the rest were in hospital maimed. Many tales that weren't bullshit spoke of a master visiting a village confronted by the top fighter there who was dropped permanently on the spot by a single blow which hardly any of the onlookers saw. Others went to prison after killing their opponent with a single blow to the body ("Black Tiger Steals Heart"). Robert Smith went around finding masters of all styles in Taiwan during his tenure there in the 60's. He saw lots of bullshit, but plenty of genuine martial power remained, mainly from masters such as Wang Shu-chin, who made Gordon Anderson look good, but who was unbeaten by all the top karate masters in Japan of the day, Wang allowing them to punch away at his vast stomach without any effect at all, except a frustrated and humbled karateka. There's a link somewhere on google of a young karate champion being dropped to the deck in surprise by a tap on the top of his head during sparring, by Wang Shu-chin, a demonstration of what our Tai Chi exponent at the beginning of this post did NOT have. I read a couple of few of Robert Smith's books and enjoyed them though I did not realise at the time that the ones written as John Gilbey were tongue in cheek...
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Sept 30, 2020 21:54:43 GMT
In this world of fake martial arts, it's nice to know that there is one true expert - the real deal!
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