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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2018 21:56:08 GMT
Drunken Monkey (or anyone else?) - Can you make any recommendations regarding this program? A friend is considering purchasing the program but he's not willing to shell out $29 for yet another program if the information is already available for free on the web or doesn't live up to the claims on Drew's site.
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Oct 23, 2018 22:33:40 GMT
I mean, the program changed the way I train, for the better. When it comes to fitness, it's the best $29 I personally feel I can recommend someone to spend.
If the person is already familiar with HIT principles and has a decent grasp of bodyweight strength training, there might not be a reason to buy the book. But the book consolidates and organizes all that information so nicely that one may as well purchase it. It's also a good buy for Drew's TSC and isometric training ideas.
It's a less romantic book than, say, Al Kavadlo's or Ross Enamait's stuff, because Drew doesn't promise you'll be able to do things like a one-armed pullup, but it's a much more realistic and applicable training program for the vast majority of people. Even for me, I'm a pretty strong guy. I can do a one-armed negative pullup at 185-lbs. But I still haven't been able to hit 12 regular pullups at the 4-1-4 cadence he recommends. So there's enough progressions there to keep people busy for awhile. Which, also, I think Drew's progression recommendations are better and more productive than the things I saw in Convict Conditioning or Kavadlo's or Ross's stuff.
I don't remember what kind of results Drew promises. All I can say is my own experiences with HIT lead me to believe that the results aren't any better or worse than any other training program I've tried. The appeal of HIT to me is the amount of time one doesn't spend on it. Yeah, HIT isn't going to give you better results than Ross's stuff. But it will give you very similar results--if not identical--in a fraction of the time. And for some, it might actually give better results. I promise HIT gave me the best results of my life, but nobody ever wants to believe me because I'm not 220-lbs of pure muscle.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2018 23:11:28 GMT
I mean, the program changed the way I train, for the better. When it comes to fitness, it's the best $29 I personally feel I can recommend someone to spend. If the person is already familiar with HIT principles and has a decent grasp of bodyweight strength training, there might not be a reason to buy the book. But the book consolidates and organizes all that information so nicely that one may as well purchase it. It's also a good buy for Drew's TSC and isometric training ideas. It's a less romantic book than, say, Al Kavadlo's or Ross Enamait's stuff, because Drew doesn't promise you'll be able to do things like a one-armed pullup, but it's a much more realistic and applicable training program for the vast majority of people. Even for me, I'm a pretty strong guy. I can do a one-armed negative pullup at 185-lbs. But I still haven't been able to hit 12 regular pullups at the 4-1-4 cadence he recommends. So there's enough progressions there to keep people busy for awhile. Which, also, I think Drew's progression recommendations are better and more productive than the things I saw in Convict Conditioning or Kavadlo's or Ross's stuff. I don't remember what kind of results Drew promises. All I can say is my own experiences with HIT lead me to believe that the results aren't any better or worse than any other training program I've tried. The appeal of HIT to me is the amount of time one doesn't spend on it. Yeah, HIT isn't going to give you better results than Ross's stuff. But it will give you very similar results--if not identical--in a fraction of the time. And for some, it might actually give better results. I promise HIT gave me the best results of my life, but nobody ever wants to believe me because I'm not 220-lbs of pure muscle. Thank you & I'll pass this along. Where he got very interested in the program were the points regarding the program working well if you travel -- he's probably on the road twice as much as me and that appealed to him. |
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Oct 24, 2018 16:47:41 GMT
I mean, the program changed the way I train, for the better. When it comes to fitness, it's the best $29 I personally feel I can recommend someone to spend. If the person is already familiar with HIT principles and has a decent grasp of bodyweight strength training, there might not be a reason to buy the book. But the book consolidates and organizes all that information so nicely that one may as well purchase it. It's also a good buy for Drew's TSC and isometric training ideas. It's a less romantic book than, say, Al Kavadlo's or Ross Enamait's stuff, because Drew doesn't promise you'll be able to do things like a one-armed pullup, but it's a much more realistic and applicable training program for the vast majority of people. Even for me, I'm a pretty strong guy. I can do a one-armed negative pullup at 185-lbs. But I still haven't been able to hit 12 regular pullups at the 4-1-4 cadence he recommends. So there's enough progressions there to keep people busy for awhile. Which, also, I think Drew's progression recommendations are better and more productive than the things I saw in Convict Conditioning or Kavadlo's or Ross's stuff. I don't remember what kind of results Drew promises. All I can say is my own experiences with HIT lead me to believe that the results aren't any better or worse than any other training program I've tried. The appeal of HIT to me is the amount of time one doesn't spend on it. Yeah, HIT isn't going to give you better results than Ross's stuff. But it will give you very similar results--if not identical--in a fraction of the time. And for some, it might actually give better results. I promise HIT gave me the best results of my life, but nobody ever wants to believe me because I'm not 220-lbs of pure muscle. Thank you & I'll pass this along. Where he got very interested in the program were the points regarding the program working well if you travel -- he's probably on the road twice as much as me and that appealed to him. Yeah, a couple of years ago I had a job where I traveled a bunch and the gyms in a lot of hotels aren't very good. I learned from Mark Lauren's book how to do pull-ups on a door, and once I learned that (in conjunction with the Project Kratos programming), I've never had to worry about getting a good workout no matter where I'm at. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 24, 2018 19:03:44 GMT
For my own selfish interests (  ), wondering are you still using it exclusively? (And sent your feedback to my friend...thx again.) |
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Oct 25, 2018 15:21:41 GMT
For my own selfish interests ( ), wondering are you still using it exclusively? (And sent your feedback to my friend...thx again.) No. I do strength training 1x/week. And currently I'm rotating between three different programs from week to week, all of them are calisthenic-focused, although occasionally I lift weights just for variety. 1. I do a 3x3 program, as described by Baye in the book. (I.e. Archer squats, closed-grip pullups, dips, for example). 2. I do a Neuro-mass inspired workout, which I think I actually saw on this board at some point. So I do 1 set of super slow, one explosive set and one isometric set for five major muscle groups. (I.e. pistol squats, jumping lunges, wall sits for legs, etc.) 3. I do a typical SSTF HIT workout of Six movements (Squat, vertical pull, vertical press, horizontal pull, horizontal press, hip hinge. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 25, 2018 16:08:59 GMT
What is SSTF HIT? Not familiar with it...can only think of the networking algorithm "shortest seek time first",  . Strength training once a week? Interesting. I'm back down to two with some yoga, etc., in between. |
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Oct 25, 2018 17:32:34 GMT
What is SSTF HIT? Not familiar with it...can only think of the networking algorithm "shortest seek time first", . Strength training once a week? Interesting. I'm back down to two with some yoga, etc., in between. Single-set to failure. Yeah, I do one strength workout per week. I do two 20 minute runs per week. Then I do yoga, Qigong, Taichi kind of whenever the mood strikes and I have time. I've been toying with the idea of adding a brief, balance-focused training session each week, but haven't done so yet. There have been times throughout the years that the single strength session per week was all I've done and it didn't seem to have any adverse affects of any kind. I do the occasional 5k so that's the only reason I do any running at all. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 25, 2018 18:43:30 GMT
What is SSTF HIT? Not familiar with it...can only think of the networking algorithm "shortest seek time first", . Strength training once a week? Interesting. I'm back down to two with some yoga, etc., in between. Single-set to failure. Yeah, I do one strength workout per week. I do two 20 minute runs per week. Then I do yoga, Qigong, Taichi kind of whenever the mood strikes and I have time. I've been toying with the idea of adding a brief, balance-focused training session each week, but haven't done so yet. There have been times throughout the years that the single strength session per week was all I've done and it didn't seem to have any adverse affects of any kind. I do the occasional 5k so that's the only reason I do any running at all. Thanks! Have you read Hutchins' first Super Slow book where he talks about trainees who were only doing one set to failure of one or two exercises once a week back in this 90s and still progressing...Mentzer and later the Super Slow instructor both wanted me doing two work outs a week, preferably three every two weeks. (And I met one of his SS clients who was only doing two - three exercises once a week and she looked fantastic. Nothing huge, but, muscular and athletic.) I stuck with it for a while but I either got bored or read something or heard about a better program and I decided to try something else out. But, my best progressions have always been on schedules recommending twice a week or less. |
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Oct 29, 2018 14:07:08 GMT
No, I haven't read the book, but I'm aware of a lot of the stuff Hutchins was doing back then.
I started off doing three HIT routines per week, went down to two and have been at one for several years now. My strength skyrocketed when I went to one-workout-per-week. There have been occasions where I have gone 10-14 days without a workout because of weird circumstances (getting sick, traveling, etc.), and I saw no regression from waiting that long between workouts.
I have plateaued pretty hard over the past two years, though. So I've toyed with changing my workout frequency, or even my workouts altogether--perhaps doing not-to-failure workouts several times per week, but I haven't pulled the trigger on any of that.
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Post by donovan5 on Oct 30, 2018 14:54:27 GMT
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), wondering are you still using it exclusively?
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