Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Aug 14, 2018 17:06:11 GMT
Guys ,
There are many old members here who remember and probably knew personally such enthusiasts of VRT and DVR as Greg Mangan, Douglis and some others. What happened with them? Did they continue their lines of training?
Thanks.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 14, 2018 17:39:43 GMT
Guys , There are many old members here who remember and probably knew personally such enthusiasts of VRT and DVR as Greg Mangan, Douglis and some others. What happened with them? Did they continue their lines of training? Thanks. While his VRT website is still up and running, Greg lost some cred when: - He admitted on Dave Walmsley's board that he never bench pressed 300lbs legitimately. It was on a Universal machine of some kind. - He admitted the guy on the cover of his video was not him. It was his brother who was a serious weight lifter. Douglis was banned by JeP...haven't seen him since. Vince Gironda died...repeating myself, but, he was big on self-resistance exercise for all newbies in his gym. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 14, 2018 17:56:08 GMT
Greg "invented" VRT years and years ago. He said that he was in the locker room after a workout when he flexed his biceps and curled a few times, and a light bulb went off in his head. Of course, Greg wasn't the first to do this, but it was unknown to him at the time, and he developed and marketed his Visualized Resistance Training. Like "Self Resistance", JP came across Greg's VRT, and tacked Charles Atlas's "dynamic" in front of it, making it DVR. Greg found out about that and called JP to inform him that he had "Visualized Resistance Training" trademarked. As soon as he told JP who he was, JP says, "It is an honor to speak to you, sir! How'd you like to write a book?!" So, Greg got hooked up with JP, and ended up rueing the day. He wrote the book, sent JP the manuscript, and that's as far as it went. Only among some of us within this forum loop. Greg's VRT is a valid program and I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands who come across it who never heard of JP, AMM, Portalguy, Dave, or Sierra. These before and after pictures are of Greg's arm. They were taken at the same time. In the before picture his arm is cold and relaxed. And then for the after picture he did 100 VRT biceps/triceps reps.   |
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 14, 2018 18:24:21 GMT
Greg "invented" VRT years and years ago. He said that he was in the locker room after a workout when he flexed his biceps and curled a few times, and a light bulb went off in his head. Of course, Greg wasn't the first to do this, but it was unknown to him at the time, and he developed and marketed his Visualized Resistance Training. Like "Self Resistance", JP came across Greg's VRT, and tacked Charles Atlas's "dynamic" in front of it, making it DVR. Greg found out about that and called JP to inform him that he had "Visualized Resistance Training" trademarked. As soon as he told JP who he was, JP says, "It is an honor to speak to you, sir! How'd you like to write a book?!" So, Greg got hooked up with JP, and ended up rueing the day. He wrote the book, sent JP the manuscript, and that's as far as it went. Only among some of us within this forum loop. Greg's VRT is a valid program and I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands who come across it who never heard of JP, AMM, Portalguy, Dave, or Sierra. These before and after pictures are of Greg's arm. They were taken at the same time. In the before picture his arm is cold and relaxed. And then for the after picture he did 100 VRT biceps/triceps reps. But, you've done nothing but pump up the muscle a little...wait and see what things look like in an hour. |
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Aug 14, 2018 18:44:48 GMT
Thanks for your replies, guys.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 14, 2018 19:12:51 GMT
But, you've done nothing but pump up the muscle a little...wait and see what things look like in an hour. We had an in depth discussion on this. It's buried somewhere in this forum. I had noticed a phenomena regarding KSHD that I had no clue what caused it. Immediately after pumping up with KSHD, you feel all pumped and hard, as though you had lifted weights. But, an hour later you feel nothing at all. And then towards the evening, you start to feel it. And you feel it more and more as night falls, and into the next morning. As it turned out, this was true of everyone who did KSHD. It was determined that it had to do with blood flow, somehow. I don't remember the details. |
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Post by doomfarer1 on Aug 14, 2018 19:15:04 GMT
Here are the nuances:
The DVR as put forth in JP’s books are actually the Tiger Moves as put forth by John McSweeney (sp?). They do not in any way address use of the imagination as Greg taught nor do they mimic weight-lifting movements as Greg’s VRT. Additionally, DVR places Tension in both directions. VRT just one direction gets the max effort. I’ve used both and they both can be challenging. There’s def some conditioning to build up using these methods as they can be pretty draining, esp heavy DVR. Those of you enamored w Psych-Cybernetics and Theater of the Mind stuff will def enjoy the fun spin of VRT. I would submit here that with sufficient proficiency and practice either method can be very effective. They’re great to add into a workout, as a stand alone program, or a traveling component to feel great on the road. The nature of the apparatus free regimen makes it ideal for therapy, recovery and for people with no exercise base to build one. However, that’s not to say that it is only for beginners. It takes a lot of concentration and muscle control to get the most benefit.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 14, 2018 20:26:20 GMT
Here are the nuances: The DVR as put forth in JP’s books are actually the Tiger Moves as put forth by John McSweeney (sp?). They do not in any way address use of the imagination as Greg taught nor do they mimic weight-lifting movements as Greg’s VRT. Additionally, DVR places Tension in both directions. VRT just one direction gets the max effort. I’ve used both and they both can be challenging. There’s def some conditioning to build up using these methods as they can be pretty draining, esp heavy DVR. Those of you enamored w Psych-Cybernetics and Theater of the Mind stuff will def enjoy the fun spin of VRT. I would submit here that with sufficient proficiency and practice either method can be very effective. They’re great to add into a workout, as a stand alone program, or a traveling component to feel great on the road. The nature of the apparatus free regimen makes it ideal for therapy, recovery and for people with no exercise base to build one. However, that’s not to say that it is only for beginners. It takes a lot of concentration and muscle control to get the most benefit. Well said! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:51:17 GMT
Here are the nuances: The DVR as put forth in JP’s books are actually the Tiger Moves as put forth by John McSweeney (sp?). They do not in any way address use of the imagination as Greg taught nor do they mimic weight-lifting movements as Greg’s VRT. Additionally, DVR places Tension in both directions. VRT just one direction gets the max effort. I’ve used both and they both can be challenging. There’s def some conditioning to build up using these methods as they can be pretty draining, esp heavy DVR. Those of you enamored w Psych-Cybernetics and Theater of the Mind stuff will def enjoy the fun spin of VRT. I would submit here that with sufficient proficiency and practice either method can be very effective. They’re great to add into a workout, as a stand alone program, or a traveling component to feel great on the road. The nature of the apparatus free regimen makes it ideal for therapy, recovery and for people with no exercise base to build one. However, that’s not to say that it is only for beginners. It takes a lot of concentration and muscle control to get the most benefit. As Bruce said,very well said. I have used it as a stand alone, add on, rehab and for recovery. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 21:26:06 GMT
Greg friended me on FaceBook, I deleted my account last year.
When I went to a Gym in Vancouver there was a Universal Bench Press machine and a guy just finished and it was set at 350lbs, for some reason I thought I'd give it a go and Holy Molly pressed it, my free weight bench at that time wasn't even my bodyweight.
You could have just blocked Greg on Facebook rather than delete your account to avoid him. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 14, 2018 21:43:00 GMT
You could have just blocked Greg on Facebook rather than delete your account to avoid him. I never thought of that. You didn't delete your account just because of Greg Mangan, did you? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 12:45:03 GMT
I must admit i have picked up some good information over at JeP site over the years but the one thing I find funny is his imaginary uncle Wally ha what a load of bollocks !
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 15, 2018 13:36:05 GMT
...... one thing I find funny is his Marlon Birch's imaginary real uncle Wally (or whatever his name really was) ...... :fixed |
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 15, 2018 14:40:54 GMT
...... one thing I find funny is his Marlon Birch's imaginary real uncle Wally (or whatever his name really was) ...... :fixed The world has no idea what you fixed... |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 15, 2018 16:00:18 GMT
The world has no idea what you fixed... I do. Marlon Birch stated that he'd had a conversation with JP in which JP told him you need a story to sell a product. Marlon had told JP all about his uncle who had been a big influence on him. Marlon said that almost immediately following that conversation, JP suddenly had an Uncle Wally. |
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