Kin Shi-Hai Do vs. Lifting Weights

[Bob50]

Jul 29, 2018 17:49:41 GMT Deuce Gunner said:

Jul 29, 2018 17:15:19 GMT Bob50 said:

I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good.

Bruce's experience was that it added some size and when he returned to performing actual weighted exercises, he had not lost any strength. How do you test that it's preventing sarcopenia?

I have only this evidence.  I did not lift any weights more than 10 years, have the biceps close to Bruce's ones, and can do biceps curls >15 times with 40 lbs dumbbells.  And, I have forgot, I am 68.

[TexasRanger]

Don't take this wrong, but, if you've lifted a 40lb DB curl in the past, that weight shouldn't be an issue especially if you doing some form of training involving resistance work.  I may not do a certain exercise for weeks or months and then go back and find I've lost little if anything on it.  Now, if you can grab a pair of 65 or 70lb DBs and curl them for a dozen reps in good form, I'd be impressed.

And "size" is relative to your bodyfat vs. lean body mass.  And unfortunately, as we get older we hold more & more intramuscular fat (unless we're strict on diet -- types of food, calories, etc.) while at the same time losing muscle.  

Either way, sarcopenia can be slowed a bit but not stopped.  There's a comparison photo, for example, of Andreas Cahling when he was in his 20s (and no doubt juicing) and in his 50s (again, probably juicing).  Clearly a difference in muscle mass.  

So a bit of a reality check...

Andreas Cahling in his 20s and 50s...

[Bruce Tackett]

Jul 29, 2018 16:46:37 GMT MBS said:

Thanks TR. I’ll be 60 in November. 

You and I are 10 years apart to the month.

[Bruce Tackett]

Jul 29, 2018 18:18:34 GMT TexasRanger said:

Andreas Cahling in his 20s and 50s...

Boy, getting old sucks!

[MBS]

Jul 29, 2018 18:56:29 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

Jul 29, 2018 16:46:37 GMT MBS said:

Thanks TR. I’ll be 60 in November. 

You and I are 10 years apart to the month.

Sagittarius here. End of the month birthday. 

[Bruce Tackett]

Scorpio - Nov. 11

The GOURD will be 80 in November. We'll never hear the end of it.

[TexasRanger]

Jul 29, 2018 17:49:41 GMT Deuce Gunner said:

Jul 29, 2018 17:15:19 GMT Bob50 said:

I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good.

Bruce's experience was that it added some size and when he returned to performing actual weighted exercises, he had not lost any strength. How do you test that it's preventing sarcopenia?

You can't prevent it...

[TexasRanger]

Jul 29, 2018 20:38:37 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

Scorpio - Nov. 11

The GOURD will be 80 in November. We'll never hear the end of it.

OMG...TROOF!!!!  (And laugh of the day!!)

[Bruce Tackett]

When I was into KSHD, I was really into it. It wasn't just a muscle building protocol, it was an excursion into Zen. I found the fact that I could build muscle with nothing amazingly intriguing and exhilarating. I loved the meditative aspect of it.

When we lived in California, everyday at lunch time I'd go to my secluded, personal "Zen Spot", a cliff overlooking the Pacific Ocean, and do my KSHD there. I did isometrics on surrounding tree limbs. And then on vacations, I'd get up super early, whilst Her Highness snored away, have some coffee, and find some nice secluded spot, usually a park somewhere. On the couple of times we visited Hawaii, I'd be up just at the crack of dawn and stand on the sea shore doing it. That Hawaiian ocean breeze was positively euphoric.

In the year and a half that I did KSHD, I never took any measurements. I was purely into the Zen-meditative aspect of it.

And then that glorious day finally arrived when I woke up one morning with a burning urge to wrap my hands around some cold steel and pump iron!

Well, I'm still pumping iron (and bands), and if the day ever comes that I have to take up KSHD again, I hope I can get back into it with the same zeal I did for that year and a half.

My California Zen Spot:



Deucie...I never said I was just as strong as I was getting back into weights, I said I was a lot stronger than I would have been had I done nothing all that time.

[Michael]

Clarence Bass talks a little about sarcopenia: www.cbass.com/Biomarkers.htm

[gruntbrain]

The book Choosing The StrongPath addresses sarcopenia (be skeptical)

[TexasRanger]

Sarcopenia—the body’s natural loss of muscle density—effects everyone, usually starting in your 40s. Being a competitive athlete doesn’t stop it from happening.

strongpath.com/success-stories/olympic-medalist-dara-torres-age-just-number/

This link was on the Strongpath.com website:

draxe.com/sarcopenia/

However, since even lifelong physically active people can experience sarcopenia, there are some other things that play a role in its development.

Researchers think the following four factors also play a role in developing sarcopenia:

Age-related reduction in nerve cells responsible for sending signals from the brain to the muscles to initiate movement.
Inadequate intake of calories and/or protein to sustain muscle mass.
A decrease in the body’s ability to synthesize protein.
A decrease in the concentrations of some hormones, including growth hormone, testosterone and insulin-like growth factor.
Nutritional deficiencies, smoking, excessive alcohol consumption and inflammation, as well as other conditions like heart failure, cancer and diabetes, also contribute to an increased likelihood of sarcopenia.

Sarcopenia Takeaways
Most adults achieve their peak muscle mass sometime during their late 30s to early 40s, at which point sarcopenia kicks in. People who are physically inactive can lose as much as 3 percent to 5 percent of their muscle mass per decade after age 30.
Sarcopenia treatment and prevention includes exercise, increasing overall dietary protein, choosing protein wisely, upping your intake of omega-3s, balancing hormones, upping your vitamin D intake, consuming more anti-inflammatory foods, decreasing your inflammatory foods intake, limiting alcohol consumption or avoiding alcohol, and quitting smoking.
The main symptoms of sarcopenia are decreased muscle mass and strength. As a result, other symptoms and effects of sarcopenia include frailty, problems with mobility, falls and fractures, decreased activity levels (which only makes sarcopenia worse), loss of independence, weak bones, and weight gain from lack of activity.
In addition to inactivity and lack of exercise, researchers believe the following four factors also play a role in developing sarcopenia: age-related reduction in nerve cells responsible for sending signals from the brain to the muscles to initiate movement; inadequate intake of calories and/or protein to sustain muscle mass; a decrease in the body’s ability to synthesize protein; and a decrease in the concentrations of some hormones, including growth hormone, testosterone and insulin-like growth factor.

[gruntbrain]

Stellar NERVE FORCE will counteract sarcopenia or so I've heard .

[TexasRanger]

Jul 30, 2018 0:56:42 GMT gruntbrain said:

Stellar NERVE FORCE will counteract sarcopenia or so I've heard .

[macky]

Jul 29, 2018 2:39:45 GMT mr potatohead said:

Um ..... yeah ...... great ..... thanks.




As a result of all of the isometric/KSHD/tension holding talk lately, I've been doing more overcoming isos especially for, what I hope will affect, my low chest. I use the steering wheel, the sides of a seat, the arched back of a chair, a countertop, etc, anything that will allow me to create isometric tension by shoving my hands/arms toward each other @ around waist height.

If you're up to try anything re shoving your hands/arms together,  then grab a hand gripper and lace your fingers together with the gripper steadied by the thumbs, then close it by pushing in with the palm heels on the handles.

I've got a COC Trainer and a No.1,  100lbs and 140lbs respectively.  It's hard to keep the handles fully closed for 30 seconds on the 100 let alone the 140.   

Remember if it takes 100lbs to close a Trainer, and you're keeping the gripper closed by pushing in with your arms/hands, then that's 100lbs pressure you're exerting with EACH arm. 

Like I said, you've done better than you think