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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 29, 2018 0:56:38 GMT
I've always felt that, for building size, Kin Shi-Hai Do comes as close to actually lifting weights as anything else I've tried. Actually that doesn't leave much else - isometrics. I include bodyweight and bands in with weight lifting. The possible exception, now, might be Silverlooks' 30-30-30 isometrics. I might give that a try at some point. Anyway, throughout the year and a half I did KSHD, I estimated that it is about 80% to 90% as effective as lifting weights for building size. Yesterday morning I finished off the week's weight lifting upper body routine and I took a measurement - 17 5/8" @ 203 lbs. This evening I started thinking about the KSHD vs weights thing and I got a hair up my hoo-hoo and decided to see what the real world difference is. I did a complete upper body KSHD workout. For my arms I did 30 reps each of four biceps and four triceps exercises, really focusing and giving it my all - 17 3/8". Analyzing how I felt, my arms felt hard and pumped, but not as hard or as pumped as upon completing a progressive resistance workout. So, I don't know what any of this has to do with anything, but I just thought I'd post this result.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 29, 2018 2:39:45 GMT
Um ..... yeah ...... great ..... thanks. As a result of all of the isometric/KSHD/tension holding talk lately, I've been doing more overcoming isos especially for, what I hope will affect, my low chest. I use the steering wheel, the sides of a seat, the arched back of a chair, a countertop, etc, anything that will allow me to create isometric tension by shoving my hands/arms toward each other @ around waist height.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 29, 2018 3:09:39 GMT
Good luck!
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Post by Bob50 on Jul 29, 2018 4:49:11 GMT
I've always felt that, for building size, Kin Shi-Hai Do comes as close to actually lifting weights as anything else I've tried. Actually that doesn't leave much else - isometrics. I include bodyweight and bands in with weight lifting. The possible exception, now, might be Silverlooks' 30-30-30 isometrics. I might give that a try at some point. Anyway, throughout the year and a half I did KSHD, I estimated that it is about 80% to 90% as effective as lifting weights for building size. Yesterday morning I finished off the week's upper body routine and I took a measurement - 17 5/8" @ 203 lbs. This evening I started thinking about the KSHD vs weights thing and I got a hair up my hoo-hoo and decided to see what the real world difference is. I did a complete upper body KSHD workout. For my arms I did 30 reps each of four biceps and four triceps exercises, really focusing and giving it my all - 17 3/8". Analyzing how I felt, my arms felt hard and pumped, but not as hard or as pumped as upon completing a progressive resistance workout. So, I don't know what any of this has to do with anything, but I just thought I'd post this result. Agree, you can tense your muscle antagonists during voluntary co-contraction up to ~80% of your max tension. I think this tension level is enough to gain some muscle mass, but it is not sufficient to get progressive gaining strength.
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Post by MBS on Jul 29, 2018 6:15:19 GMT
Training for size without getting appreciably stronger is folly.
Better to train for strength, and as a byproduct, you will add size.
Better to be be stronger than you look, and have the confidence that goes with it.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 29, 2018 15:35:28 GMT
You look powerful, Tiberius.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jul 29, 2018 15:48:43 GMT
Training for size without getting appreciably stronger is folly. Better to train for strength, and as a byproduct, you will add size. Better to be be stronger than you look, and have the confidence that goes with it. T - Looking great! You're 60? (And as usual, wise words!)
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 29, 2018 16:43:11 GMT
Training for size without getting appreciably stronger is folly. Better to train for strength, and as a byproduct, you will add size. Better to be be stronger than you look, and have the confidence that goes with it. And the opposite is true, as well. Training for size and training for strength are not mutually exclusive. One will inevitably result in the other. My primary purpose in starting weight training was to add size to my very skinny frame. For years I did the standard 3-set, 10-rep protocol with the standard weight lifting exercises. Doing this for years and years, adding weight to each of my exercises as I was able to do so, resulted in a great increase in strength, as well as in adding size.
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Post by MBS on Jul 29, 2018 16:46:37 GMT
Training for size without getting appreciably stronger is folly. Better to train for strength, and as a byproduct, you will add size. Better to be be stronger than you look, and have the confidence that goes with it. T - Looking great! You're 60? (And as usual, wise words!) Thanks TR. I’ll be 60 in November.
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Post by Bob50 on Jul 29, 2018 17:15:19 GMT
I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good.
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Post by Michael on Jul 29, 2018 17:15:48 GMT
Tremendous job and You're 59! Keep up the good work Tiberius!
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jul 29, 2018 17:23:03 GMT
I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good. This may be true, and when I get old, it will be there waiting for me.
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Post by Bob50 on Jul 29, 2018 17:31:41 GMT
I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good. This may be true, and when I get old, it will be there waiting for me. Good point to stay young all life!
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Post by Michael on Jul 29, 2018 17:31:55 GMT
I've always felt that, for building size, Kin Shi-Hai Do comes as close to actually lifting weights as anything else I've tried. Actually that doesn't leave much else - isometrics. I include bodyweight and bands in with weight lifting. The possible exception, now, might be Silverlooks' 30-30-30 isometrics. I might give that a try at some point. Anyway, throughout the year and a half I did KSHD, I estimated that it is about 80% to 90% as effective as lifting weights for building size. Yesterday morning I finished off the week's weight lifting upper body routine and I took a measurement - 17 5/8" @ 203 lbs. This evening I started thinking about the KSHD vs weights thing and I got a hair up my hoo-hoo and decided to see what the real world difference is. I did a complete upper body KSHD workout. For my arms I did 30 reps each of four biceps and four triceps exercises, really focusing and giving it my all - 17 3/8". Analyzing how I felt, my arms felt hard and pumped, but not as hard or as pumped as upon completing a progressive resistance workout. So, I don't know what any of this has to do with anything, but I just thought I'd post this result. I haven't done KSHD in a long time. I do play around with it from time to time. I agree with this: " Analyzing how I felt, my arms felt hard and pumped, but not as hard or as pumped as upon completing a progressive resistance workout." It didn't make me stronger at lifting stuff. I think Bob agrees with that. But I definetly believe You can keep some strength and someone that doesn't do anything will be stronger if they do it. KSHD is portable if You're traveling and easy on the joints.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jul 29, 2018 17:49:41 GMT
I think that Bruce's and my experience shows that KSHD may be a great tool to fight age-related sarcopenia. In addition, these exercises give good flexibility and mobility, gaining sufficient strength for life without injuries, and perfect brain-muscle coordination. In many cases, it is enough for older people to be good. Bruce's experience was that it added some size and when he returned to performing actual weighted exercises, he had not lost any strength. How do you test that it's preventing sarcopenia?
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