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Post by jabbers on Oct 9, 2017 23:47:01 GMT
New Joe Weider movie out next year .
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 10, 2017 0:19:56 GMT
That's a really good documentary. Thanks for posting. Interesting.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 10, 2017 1:07:32 GMT
Wonder if they'll have the whole story regarding good old Joe including his casting couch (brother Ben was even more notorious), the FDA nailing him for fraud with his Anabolic pack supplements, Robby Robinson suing Weider for using his image illegally, another major lawsuit against Weider for selling ephedra illegally, etc., etc.
I know a guy who lives in north Dallas (lets call him...Richard...) who was an IFBB competitor. Won an NPC title and decided the cost -- including his personal standards -- was something he wouldn't accept. We had pretty entertaining lunches which also included a couple with other national level bodybuilders who live in the area or were visiting. I also have a family member who knew the Weider as he wrote programs and ghost articles for Weider's rags.
They have nothing good to say about the Weiders from the personal to business aspects of their lives.
Had met also, as many know, Mike Mentzer in 1982 and saw him again in 1983. Weider came up briefly. Mentzer had absolutely no respect for the personal integrity or honesty of Weider.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 10, 2017 3:10:59 GMT
The Mr Weider magazine probably did more good than bad - eg, the Clarence Bass articles on diet and exercise were generally sound - I even purchased Greg Mangan's VRT from the Weider Mag at least 30 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 13:53:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 13:55:52 GMT
If you haven't seen it there's a 5 part documentary on youtube...
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 10, 2017 14:17:39 GMT
The Mr Weider magazine probably did more good than bad - eg, the Clarence Bass articles on diet and exercise were generally sound - I even purchased Greg Mangan's VRT from the Weider Mag at least 30 years ago 1. People spent hard earned money on fraudulent supplements Joe sold without remorse. 2. People spent hard earned money on equipment that did little or no good. eg The biceps blaster -- that curved piece of metal which hung on a strap and where your biceps were braced against it. 3. Joe Weider openly admitted to his advocacy of steroids and repeatedly claimed they were safer than aspirin--this dirtball said "nobody's died of steroids" if I recall. And he had no qualms regarding showing countless individuals jacked up on dianabol, deca-durabolin, human growth hormone, etc., and later the designer drugs nor did he have any issues regarding the promotion of them in his rags. There is an October 1978 copy of Muscle & Fitness with Robby Robinson on the cover that has, if I recall, an article where Pete Grymkoswi describes his use of Growth Hormone in painstaking detail. There were others. 4. People like Vince Gironda repeatedly pointed out Weider's failure to live up to his contracts. One may remember Kal Szkalak tried to form, with the late Mike Mentzer, a union to go after Weider for a number of reasons including contracts, pay, etc. Steroids, HGH and other PEDs are now rampant in the bodybuilding community...I'd have to blame Weider for his glorification and promotion of this problem. People are still sucked into the hype Weider created around supplements -- kids wasting $$$ on questionable, possibly unhealthy products. Joe brought us Clarence, yes. And Rachel McLish...that is about all I'll say that was positive about his scam... |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 10, 2017 15:04:29 GMT
Joe Weider liked to lift BARBLES.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 10, 2017 17:14:27 GMT
Fortunately most of us eventually became aware of the Weider scams . We nonetheless benefited from the physical culture revolution that Weider helped create .
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 10, 2017 17:57:32 GMT
Fortunately most of us eventually became aware of the Weider scams . We nonetheless benefited from the physical culture revolution that Weider helped create . |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 10, 2017 18:13:31 GMT
Fortunately most of us eventually became aware of the Weider scams . We nonetheless benefited from the physical culture revolution that Weider helped create . Did we? I've talked with others, including the above Mr. NPC, about the hours spent (wasted) in the gym when we could have been doing more productive things...family, school, work. The money wasted in gyms, the unnecessary injuries that could have been avoided, etc. And as we know: Joe Weider's physical culture in the real world is a joke. Dave Walmsley once related the tale of the movers who held no resemblance to the Weider bodybuilders but were hauling heavy furniture and appliances around like they were nothing. The book The Warrior Elite cites the first to wash out of the SEAL teams are the bodybuilder types; speaking from personal experience (and I'm sure others that served) I was advised to drop at least 20lbs -- stop the weights and machines and start hitting the pushups, chins, situps and running, and, add swimming and some long hikes to get ready for a job I wanted to qualify for. IMHO, the blowback/pushback against Weider's nonsense started in the late 90s/early 2000s when Matt Furey and Pavel came on the scene. Books like You Are Your Own Gym became popular. A lot of those that started making the switch were people that were tired of the lies and falsehood that bodybuilding, according to the Weider Research Clinic and all of the other nonsense, was found out to be. Movnat, which was based on the ideas of Georges Hebert who the legend Old Uncle Mal was a huge fan of, also hit the scene in a big way.  |
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 10, 2017 19:30:09 GMT
I still contend that Weider with Arnold's help got millions(?) of young impressionables started on the fitness path(albeit not an optimum one) . An article from well over 30 years ago on Eric Heiden an Olympic speed skater inspired my high rep bodyweight squats using a crude suspension gizmo( a Waterski rig) for balance and/or arm assistance . Of course, the old Ironman was more useful including the equality Ironman equipment . Even Hoffman's mag and equipment ( a mini Power Rack, an isometric gizmo with a chain, ... ) . In any case, I believe the vast majority were not from the initial Weider push and eventually developed decent fitness protocols.
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