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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 22, 2021 22:29:30 GMT
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2021 1:28:31 GMT
I will agree with the possibility of draconian measures based on fear and restrictions. Possibility. But I cannot see the reasoning behind allowing climate change warming to continue if it's going to ruin the very world that the PTB want to control. If the PTB want an "ideal" world where they have culled much of the global population and now utterly control the rest, why continue to change the world in a way that is not conducive to the present forms of life, including humans ? Unless it's for another lifeform.................. I also believe that as more knowledge of the interactions of climate change come to light, NASA may adjust their previous figures which were proven to be inaccurate. That's not unknown in science. Maybe the PTB are the other life forms. I've learned in life never to underestimate any possibility, brothersteve. I've also had too many experiences over the last 30 years (albeit spread out) not to discount anything, including alien lifeforms. If you look at our galaxy and assuming you believe it's 100,000 light-years in diameter, then all our radio-etc transmissions have only travelled outwards about 150 light-years, in all directions. A virtual disc of EM man-made radiation of approx. 300 light-years in diameter. Another civilization could have come and gone on the other side of the galaxy, their ability to transmit radio signals etc stretching only (say) 200 years before they either destroyed their own planet's eco-systems by climate-warming, war, or disease. We would never know. Our attempts to intercept coherent signals that would indicate another intelligent civilization has only a very small time-window. "They" may have sent such signals only 200 years ago before wiping themselves out (or even just giving up) and we would never know because they arrived on Earth at a time when we didn't have any means to detect them. On the other hand, the less than 70 years time window between the first heavier-than-air flights, and the first Moon landings indicate a tremendous advance in science, and if science has a chance now, instead of being largely directed by corporate (money) interests, and we don't destroy ourselves, who knows what science will bring us in another 70 years, or a couple of hundred. It's fairly obvious that 3D travel through the galaxy is not possible, given the amount of time required for even the closest stars, and even travelling at the speed of light. Something else has to be discovered that will transport ourselves and some sort of craft in another way that transcends time and space. Even in a civilization that's (say) 500 years older than ours, and has had the same progress in their science, their level of knowledge and technical ability would be far beyond our understanding. Most of our advanced science is already far beyond the average Earth-denizen now. Who's to say there's nobody else out there, and that "aliens" don't exist except in science fiction. And that they have natural (to them) abilities that we know not of ?
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 23, 2021 2:31:20 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 23, 2021 2:34:01 GMT
Huh. And you asked me if I'm into Qanon?
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2021 4:26:18 GMT
Huh. And you asked me if I'm into Qanon? QAnon wasn't a scientifically or even factually constructed viewpoint. It is an unproven conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy set of facts. There was no evidence to support it in any way. Science has got the support of solid and rigorous proofs behind it which carry extensions of enquiry and speculation. That's the way science has often progressed. Let me know if QAnon has anything like the same i.e. the pizza parlour's basement photo with all the imprisoned children, and proof of the cannibalistic pedophile top democrats running it, and I'll join. Especially if there's a "Storm", something I was hoping would happen when you told me to wait earlier this year.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 24, 2021 1:25:54 GMT
Huh. And you asked me if I'm into Qanon? 1. QAnon wasn't a scientifically or even factually constructed viewpoint. It is an unproven conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy set of facts. There was no evidence to support it in any way. Science has got the support of solid and rigorous proofs behind it which carry extensions of enquiry and speculation. That's the way science has often progressed. 2. Let me know if QAnon has anything like the same i.e. the pizza parlour's basement photo with all the imprisoned children, and proof of the cannibalistic pedophile top democrats running it, and I'll join. Especially if there's a "Storm", something I was hoping would happen when you told me to wait earlier this year. 1. OK, but from what I've heard, I think they would love your alien ideas. 2. I've heard of "pizza gate". Is that what you're referencing? I have seen one pic of a child in a cage, but I think it was used for the pizza basement thing as well as for the border breachers. I don't remember ever seeing any pics that I could confirm were of the basement of a pizza place with kids in cages or prison. 3. Yeah, I was disappointed too.
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Post by macky on Jun 24, 2021 4:41:54 GMT
1. QAnon wasn't a scientifically or even factually constructed viewpoint. It is an unproven conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy set of facts. There was no evidence to support it in any way. Science has got the support of solid and rigorous proofs behind it which carry extensions of enquiry and speculation. That's the way science has often progressed. 2. Let me know if QAnon has anything like the same i.e. the pizza parlour's basement photo with all the imprisoned children, and proof of the cannibalistic pedophile top democrats running it, and I'll join. Especially if there's a "Storm", something I was hoping would happen when you told me to wait earlier this year. 1. OK, but from what I've heard, I think they would love your alien ideas. 2. I've heard of "pizza gate". Is that what you're referencing? I have seen one pic of a child in a cage, but I think it was used for the pizza basement thing as well as for the border breachers. I don't remember ever seeing any pics that I could confirm were of the basement of a pizza place with kids in cages or prison. 3. Yeah, I was disappointed too. 1) Well I haven't got anything in the way of alien ideas, except what I've personally experienced, and which most people have been programmed to deride when they hear anything that smacks of "beings not of this Earth". I don't expect anybody to believe my accounts either. 2) Yet QAnon's still believe in the Pizza parlour basement thing, or at least some of them still do, from what I understand. 3) If the "Storm" had happened as per QAnon belief, not only would I have at least supported QAnon, but also supported Trump, for exposing top politicians (whoever they were) and dissolving a horrendous child-abuse cartel. Trump would have had my undying support.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 24, 2021 10:22:46 GMT
I understand about the alien ideas. I'm sure that people are seeing something, but what those things or beings are have different interpretations. I found my understanding of them in the Bible to be God's messengers, overseers, emissaries, guards, protectors ..... ie angels.
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 24, 2021 10:32:55 GMT
The way I see it; The Bible, Religion, Government, Laws and police to enforce are all meant to keep the civilized people in an orderly society without which there would be pure chaos.
I personally believe in God and religion, but am not a Bible thumper.
I do believe, if what people call aliens do exist, that there are different types just like there are different types of animals or humans.
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Post by macky on Jun 24, 2021 10:43:45 GMT
I understand about the alien ideas. I'm sure that people are seeing something, but what those things or beings are have different interpretations. I found my understanding of them in the Bible to be God's messengers, overseers, emissaries, guards, protectors ..... ie angels. Some mikey. Not all. As Below, so Above.
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 24, 2021 10:57:37 GMT
I understand about the alien ideas. I'm sure that people are seeing something, but what those things or beings are have different interpretations. I found my understanding of them in the Bible to be God's messengers, overseers, emissaries, guards, protectors ..... ie angels. Some mikey. Not all. As Below, so Above. It also depends on where you put your focus. Individuals who want to do good do so; medical pro's and first responders saving lives. Or not; those who put knives in their neighbors torso's. There is always a motivation to do something. Cultivate the positive for positive results. If religion helps some be positive then so be it, better than the alternative. Bad things ultimately find us all at some point. It's the inner faith that gets us through - I think.
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Post by Dr Speck on Jun 24, 2021 13:54:38 GMT
I understand about the alien ideas. I'm sure that people are seeing something, but what those things or beings are have different interpretations. I found my understanding of them in the Bible to be God's messengers, overseers, emissaries, guards, protectors ..... ie angels. Some mikey. Not all. As Below, so Above. Ah, 1 Kings 8:23 and etc.
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Post by billfish on Jun 24, 2021 20:02:42 GMT
Aliens.....somewhere out there in this limitless universe has to be other intelligent life Billions of galaxies and countless numbers of stars Seems almost impossible that we are alone
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Post by macky on Jun 25, 2021 4:47:41 GMT
Aliens.....somewhere out there in this limitless universe has to be other intelligent life Billions of galaxies and countless numbers of starsSeems almost impossible that we are alone There are varying estimates of the number of stars in this galaxy alone. Some put it at an estimated 200 billion (they didn't count them one by one) and others at least 100 billion. Others estimate at least 4 billion Sun-like stars with a large percentage of them with rocky planets in the habitable zone of the star. I made up a very conservative postulate based on the low estimate of all types of stars (the 100 billion). There are seven main types of stars. Say 1% of all stars are Sun like (G-type yellow orange) and in their main sequence. Take two zeroes off your 100 billion figure. 1% of those are approx. far enough in their main sequence as our Sun. Take two zeroes off your number. 1% of those have rocky planets in the habitable zone. Strike off another two zeroes. Our Sun has only one habitable-zone planet realistically, so take one planet per star similar to Earth. 1% of these habitable-zone planets have an atmosphere and a magnetic field to hold on to the atmosphere and provide some protection against harmful solar rays. Scratch another two zeroes. You are left with 1000 planets in this galaxy alone that all have much the same conditions as Earth. Their stars are in the main sequence and are of sufficient age (as the planet is) for life to have evolved due to water being liquid and in a manageable stable state. The magnetic field provides an electrical imbalance resulting in 100+ lightning flashes a second which sets up a resonant wave whose primary frequency starts life, said life electrical in its cellular processes, organs, and skin EMF as ours is. Given the ages of the Sun and Earth (4.6 and 4.5 billion years) a few thousand years here or there are next to nothing on the solar system scale, but are significant when general knowledge and science is concerned. As I've said, if science has another 70, 100, or 500 years uninterrupted progress, the place will be all but unrecognizable by today's standards. Imagine those living around the turn of the 20th century ever entertaining the idea of a man on the Moon, or flying machines carrying hundreds of people at 500+ mph, the Internet etc. What of a civilization that somehow survived long enough to discover a way of traversing spacetime and ending up on Earth, having a thousand more years of science under their belt. Would they not appear to Earth denizens as Gods ? And is their any guarantee that they would be "positive" towards Terrestrials ? What if they had evolved down the reptilian line instead of mammalian ? Why not ? Back to life elsewhere, as the Sun expands, Earth is finished and is consumed by the larger Sun entering its "red giant" stage. At that point, Moons such as Titan may become habitable as millions of years of warmer temperatures change the chemistry of the moon and promote water and more breathable atmosphere. There is also the "present" condition of large gas giant planets being discovered in the habitable zones of many stars now. If they too have many moons around them as Jupiter and Saturn has, that's another possibility of life. Then there's other dimensions................
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Post by billfish on Jun 25, 2021 11:57:59 GMT
Chariots Of The Gods !
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