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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2021 2:08:56 GMT
Federal govt workers should get more paid holidays actually. Especially the 'managers' and supervisors. The more holidays, the less damage. So, you think that we should reward counterproductive, negligent employees instead of firing them? Of course. Then their wages can support the money-go-round. Small and medium businesses plus the big supermarkets, the utilities. All the things families need. You don't want underpaid govt employees, do you ?
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Post by macky on Jun 21, 2021 2:11:37 GMT
Juneteenth:
The day Republicans and the Union Army freed the remaining slaves... ...from Democrat slave owners. Still living in the past, Mags. Not to worry, you'll come right, one day.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 21, 2021 10:41:37 GMT
Juneteenth:
The day Republicans and the Union Army freed the remaining slaves... ...from Democrat slave owners. Still living in the past, Mags. Not to worry, you'll come right, one day. Lemme get this straight... According to you, the Democrats are allowed to virtue signal and pander to the 'woke' crowd for future votes by digging up something like 'Juneteenth' and making it a federal holiday, yet when I state an inconvenient historical truth pertaining to this very same new (old) celebration that's now been made into an official government recognized 'holiday', it's ME that's "still living in the past" ... Malcolm X saw 'liberals' for their true intentions, was he "living in the past" also ?
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Post by moxohol on Jun 21, 2021 11:20:07 GMT
Do You guys actually do anything else besides worry about all this stuff? It is called "free speech" & "freedom of association". The hallmark of any free & pluralistic society is dissent & entitlements to bad taste (or good). They would have taught u that in civics class. *snap*! Shucks? That's right....they don't teach that stuff anymore to the Millennials or Gen-X generation. Your loss.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 21, 2021 11:31:11 GMT
Still living in the past, Mags. Not to worry, you'll come right, one day. Lemme get this straight... According to you, the Democrats are allowed to virtue signal and pander to the 'woke' crowd for future votes by digging up something like 'Juneteenth' and making it a federal holiday, yet when I state an inconvenient historical truth pertaining to this very same new (old) celebration that's now been made into an official government recognized 'holiday', it's ME that's "still living in the past" ... Malcolm X saw 'liberals' for their true intentions, was he "living in the past" also........................ I'm afraid he's right on this one macky. Whether or not Republicans of that age actually gave a shit about negro welfare is a separate discussion. Lincoln as the prominent leader of his Republican Party sure didn't care about them & there's irrefutable evidence to back that up too. He was in favor of sending them all back to Liberia & was against making them jurors or voters. Something that's not discussed much among academic circles.
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 21, 2021 12:19:44 GMT
Man old people complain about everything. I guess because they have nothing else to do. I hope I don't get old and grouchy. Do You guys actually do anything else besides worry about all this stuff? Start paying taxes and see nothing in return to you, but others getting your money and after a while it grates on you. There's a military saying: “Embracing the suck.” It's a very Buddhist concept. When we deny what reality is giving us, what is really happening, then we create suffering. So life is a dance between minimizing expectations and surrendering to what our lives actually reveal to us. No ones 'worried' about it as much as they are P.O.'d.
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Post by macky on Jun 22, 2021 5:01:01 GMT
Still living in the past, Mags. Not to worry, you'll come right, one day. Lemme get this straight... According to you, the Democrats are allowed to virtue signal and pander to the 'woke' crowd for future votes by digging up something like 'Juneteenth' and making it a federal holiday, yet when I state an inconvenient historical truth pertaining to this very same new (old) celebration that's now been made into an official government recognized 'holiday', it's ME that's "still living in the past" ... Malcolm X saw 'liberals' for their true intentions, was he "living in the past" also ? Mags, I've often said you are right on the ground level, and once again you are right. No argument. But I'm talking over all this, towards today's situation in America where the political/social divisions between The People have never been so widely divided in modern times, and your continued assaults on Democrats as some kind of evil movement that is destabilizing America is exactly what the PTB want you to think and do. Do you not realize that apart from the odd aberration where some jerk cuts loose with a gun, the general theme of woke-ism is being used as angry divisiveness that is having the PTB-desired effect on America as we speak. Don't forget the MSM on BOTH sides is largely owned and operated by the PTB/Big Money, so the stropping up of the population is coming from both ends. What will happen if it is allowed to continue, is that even Centrists like myself will become so sick of hearing about the latest fucking "hero" parade and all the other nonsense, that the Centrists will be gathered up with the conservatives, and all will be willing to accept serious right-wing police/military measures in order to "restore the balance". America has just had a president who was used as a fall-guy for the PTB, even to the point where they let him encourage an insurrectionist riot at the very heart of democratic process, on the back of a Big Lie, that the election was stolen. That Big Lie has had an enormous effect on a large part of the population, who actually believe it despite 60 courts throwing the lawsuit pertaining to the Big Lie, out. Now it's almost obligatory to believe in it if you want to join the Republicans, and the Democrats might as well be from a different opposing country. The invective that I've witnessed over the years on this forum has gotten worse and worse as time has gone on, particularly noticeable after Trump was elected and he began his divisive behaviour. Trump has been used by the Russians, and used by the American PTB. Putin is pissed off that someone who is attempting to unite America (whether he is succeeding or not) and who is more experienced than Trump ever wants to be (he knowing that he's always right), and the PTB once they got America to this point, had no more use for Trump except as yet another diversion. If you don't think that what I've said is true, then I've just posted some Russian/Trump links on Matey's request, and if you think that doesn't influence Trump's decisions over his term, then you are entirely buying into four years of Trumpisms that certainly do not reflect the truth. The PTB picked out Trump (among others) that they could use in order to divide America, because all they had to do was tell Trump how wonderful he is, wave several million dollars under his nose, and he was there's. In the meantime, Putin was doing the same thing, and the competition between the Western PTB and Eastern PTB was won by Putin when the banks "on this side" wouldn't loan Trump any more money because he was bad news businesswise, having several company bankruptcies in the space of about 12 years. About six of them, I think. Apart from the 2013 beauty contest held in Russia where Trump's girls and himself would have had more hotel cam footage of his antics that was good for his reputation (which stinks anyway in some quarters) the Russian loans and accompanying 2016 election of Trump which was well-interfered with by Russia placed Trump directly as an American security risk, yet the Am PTB continued to use Trump as their puppet, their efforts in competition with Putin. Trump being Trump wouldn't have clicked to this, as all he's interested in is his own self-glory as an important person in the world, easy to manipulate, easy to buy. That's still why Trump is being touted by the Super-rich right-wing as a serious consideration for the next election. The Big boys haven't quite finished with him yet. The Super-rich/PTB need someone like Trump to complete their regime of complete right-wing police-state rule in America, and the Liberals/Democrats are also being played as the "other side" in order to divide and rule America completely by a very few, "revising" the Constitution, promoting "democracy" via same-party candidates election. One must remember that the Ones That Plan have a long agenda sometimes lasting generations, and American eugenics has a long history, being a formal academic qualification in the earlier half of the 20th century, American Business hand-in-glove with Hitler, Time magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The "secret services" such as the FBI and especially the CIA have long undermined democracy around the world since WW2 and incited unrest and ensured fascist dictatorships in various countries that are more conducive to American corporate/PTB plundering. They would know what type of person Trump is, and what his unseemly record with women is, as well. Trump was close buddies with Jeffrey Epstein, later convicted of sex trafficking of minors (they should have thrown the key away) and equally good buddies with John Casablancas, all of them owning and operating model agencies which on the surface were legit and indeed had some fashion-firsts to their names. But then the story gets a bit sordid and Trump had around 26 complaints by women for rough and/or groping, restraining, and rape against him. The rich and the powerful often get away lightly with such claims, but the secret services would have known all about Trumps' behaviour long before he ever went for Prez, certainly vetting all presidential candidates as a matter of course. The PTB and their SS knew all about Trump's record for inappropriate behaviour and his upbringing by a father who only knew two classes of people, Winners and Losers. They had the ideal candidate in Trump and made sure (along with Russia) that Trump won the 2016 election. America is ripe for a Big Change. Medically, financially, socially, and "legally". Trump was the ideal user-person for the PTB's machinations and today the divided America stands vulnerable to overseas PTB, China, and Russia in particular. That's the situation as it stands in America today, and as I've said so many times, the focus on "Dumbocrats" and other classes of people is falling straight into divisiveness that will only lead to autocratic rule, almost it could be said, as a defence against other world-influencing autocracies, the American PTB attempting to fend off the PTB's of other dictatorial countries. Why else would they use someone they knew as a sordid probable sex offender, unconvicted but not unknown to the FBI, and the CIA ?
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Post by LouisianaShoeShineBoy on Jun 22, 2021 7:45:44 GMT
When you can’t baffle dem wit yo brilliance, befuddle dem wit yo bullshit is what mammy always used to say.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 22, 2021 8:23:46 GMT
Lemme get this straight... According to you, the Democrats are allowed to virtue signal and pander to the 'woke' crowd for future votes by digging up something like 'Juneteenth' and making it a federal holiday, yet when I state an inconvenient historical truth pertaining to this very same new (old) celebration that's now been made into an official government recognized 'holiday', it's ME that's "still living in the past" ... Malcolm X saw 'liberals' for their true intentions, was he "living in the past" also ? Mags, I've often said you are right on the ground level, and once again you are right. No argument. But I'm talking over all this, towards today's situation in America where the political/social divisions between The People have never been so widely divided in modern times, and your continued assaults on Democrats as some kind of evil movement that is destabilizing America is exactly what the PTB want you to think and do. Do you not realize that apart from the odd aberration where some jerk cuts loose with a gun, the general theme of woke-ism is being used as angry divisiveness that is having the PTB-desired effect on America as we speak. Don't forget the MSM on BOTH sides is largely owned and operated by the PTB/Big Money, so the stropping up of the population is coming from both ends. What will happen if it is allowed to continue, is that even Centrists like myself will become so sick of hearing about the latest fucking "hero" parade and all the other nonsense, that the Centrists will be gathered up with the conservatives, and all will be willing to accept serious right-wing police/military measures in order to "restore the balance"............................. Why else would they use someone they knew as a sordid probable sex offender, unconvicted but not unknown to the FBI, and the CIA ? "....Why else would they use someone they knew as a sordid probable sex offender, unconvicted but not unknown to the FBI, and the CIA ?..." Your above last statement is pivotally instructive about ur biased main themes & is on par with "un-indicted co-conspirator" used to smear opponents of any persuasion. BuzzFeed used that same tactic & came up short with egg on its face. The Meuller Investigation came up nada after 2.5 years & 40m of taxpayer dollars in which the Trump Administration honored every subpoena thrown their way led by slimey Andrew Wiseman & the 12 angry democrats on his investigation team. After all that jazz, you'd think they could up with something better to hang their hat on rather then a specious charge of "Obstruction of Justice" because Trump openly said the team & the investigation was basically full of shit. Not only was Dump investigated by Drooler but by the US House AND! Senate Committees who had the backing of various competing lobbies & financial interests to see Dump "dumped" investigated him too. Important declassified congressional transcripts released by Richard Grenell debunked every public assertion made by prominent members of the IC & LEO heads. Remember all those various committee hearings & TV interviews that Dump was or did this or that? Remember the exculpatory evidence that the FBI had by way of possession of Hunter Biden's laptop during Dump's first impeachment? They sat on their hands about it which is a clear cut Brady Violation. With all the hubris surrounding Dump & u tell me that not one solid righteous charge can be pinned on Dump? Only allusions, casting aspersions & titillating innuendo is all they got? Hell! The 9th District of Lower Manhattan is going back 10 fucking years on Dump's tax records in search of a crime not investigating A crime. Even after 25 years of auditing, penalties & remedies demanded of Dump by the IRS which was altogether settled & closed to their satisfaction? Nope. Something is rotten in Denmark here. I've never seen such extra judicial legal proceedings taken against one individual or their family in my entire life. I say it is a worrisome red flag indicative of something wrong with the establishment not the person. Time to to devolve constitutional authority to the Compact States & divest the franchise from the Federal Government.
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 22, 2021 11:26:05 GMT
When you can’t baffle dem wit yo brilliance, befuddle dem wit yo bullshit is what mammy always used to say. Mammy apparently taught many politicians.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 22, 2021 12:54:42 GMT
There are plenty of historical precedents of undesirables mixing in social circles & shaking hands with important people. Taking photos with unsavory and sometimes outright evil people is one of the occupational hazards of politics & being a celebrity. There is a big difference between standing somewhere at a public event taking a picture with someone you don't really know, haven't seen since or much of, or had a longstanding relationship with. Ur merely implying Dump's guilt as an absolute certainty by standing next to Epstein's PIMP. Ronald Regan is shown photographed in Moscow with a young Vladimir Putin inset. Was Putin his handler that Regan was trying to make contact with? John Wayne Gacy Jr. got a photo op with First Lady Rosalynn Carter in 1978. According to ur logic from "guilt by association", then Mrs Carter likes raging homicidal maniacs with pedophilic tendencies because of the company she keeps. “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with,” Trump said. “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”...................................alot of traction has been gotten out of this famous Dump statement & just as many sexual allegations have been made about him from rape to sexual harassment too. Not one sexual allegation has seen the light of day in any civil or criminal court proceeding save one & that was Stormy Daniels challenge to a non-disclosure agreement with Trump about him bonking her consensually. All things considered that's a remarkable achievement considering that Trump is a likely sexual predator/deviant of epic proportions who still keeps escaping the clutches of justice at 75 years of age! I don't deny a 2-tier justice system exists in the USA but with all this dirt on Trump, I find it incredulous none can make a case against him stick? This is like the dirt they said they had on J. Edgar Hoover who was allegedly a furtive cross-dressing, flesh flute, pipe smoking, sausage player. U can't tell me that if there was the slightest truth to any of those allegations they had against him during his lifetime that they couldn't or wouldn't have used it against him to knock him off his perch. He was a man who MADE a lot of enemies. It's easy to kick someone down who can't defend themselves if they are dead & buried. They pulled that same crap on actor Paul Newman while the dirt piled up on his grave was still fresh. Newman was labeled as a "try-sexual" who dipped his wick in Hollywood on every man, woman & goat he ever crossed paths with. Your retinue of posted links that support all alleged russian election interference & bankrolling of Dump's business interests have been DEBUNKED. Drooler's 30m exhaustive investigation took all that stuff into consideration too. Not ONE criminal referral was made for all those various allegations except for the tenuous Obstruction of Justice charge they pressed the hardest for but went nowhere with it. They themselves state they couldn't substantiate any of allegations they investigated Dump for but couldn't exonerate him either. Well.....u either had shit on him or u didn't. Exoneration is for a jury to decide not cops if it's decided to criminally prosecute someone or not. They didn't bother. So, end of story. Parroting failed narratives or debunked "facts" doesn't make them true or lend any further credence to them either.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2021 3:59:51 GMT
There are plenty of historical precedents of undesirables mixing in social circles & shaking hands with important people. Taking photos with unsavory and sometimes outright evil people is one of the occupational hazards of politics & being a celebrity. There is a big difference between standing somewhere at a public event taking a picture with someone you don't really know, haven't seen since or much of, or had a longstanding relationship with. Ur merely implying Dump's guilt as an absolute certainty by standing next to Epstein's PIMP. Ronald Regan is shown photographed in Moscow with a young Vladimir Putin inset. Was Putin his handler that Regan was trying to make contact with? John Wayne Gacy Jr. got a photo op with First Lady Rosalynn Carter in 1978. According to ur logic from "guilt by association", then Mrs Carter likes raging homicidal maniacs with pedophilic tendencies because of the company she keeps. “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with,” Trump said. “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”...................................alot of traction has been gotten out of this famous Dump statement & just as many sexual allegations have been made about him from rape to sexual harassment too. Not one sexual allegation has seen the light of day in any civil or criminal court proceeding save one & that was Stormy Daniels challenge to a non-disclosure agreement with Trump about him bonking her consensually. There is a big difference between standing somewhere at a public event taking a picture with someone you don't really know, haven't seen since or much of, or had a longstanding relationship with. Ur merely implying Dump's guilt as an absolute certainty by standing next to Epstein's PIMP. I don't deny a 2-tier justice system exists in the USA but with all this dirt on Trump, I find it incredulous none can make a case against him stick? This is like the dirt they said they had on J. Edgar Hoover who was allegedly a furtive cross-dressing, flesh flute, pipe smoking, sausage player. U can't tell me that if there was the slightest truth to any of those allegations they had against him during his lifetime that they couldn't or wouldn't have used it against him to knock him off his perch. He was a man who MADE a lot of enemies. It's easy to kick someone down who can't defend themselves if they are dead & buried. They pulled that same crap on actor Paul Newman while the dirt piled up on his grave was still fresh. Newman was labeled as a "try-sexual" who dipped his wick in Hollywood on every man, woman & goat he ever crossed paths with. Your retinue of posted links that support all alleged russian election interference & bankrolling of Dump's business interests have been DEBUNKED. Drooler's 30m exhaustive investigation took all that stuff into consideration too. Not ONE criminal referral was made for all those various allegations except for the tenuous Obstruction of Justice charge they pressed the hardest for but went nowhere with it. They themselves state they couldn't substantiate any of allegations they investigated Dump for but couldn't exonerate him either. Well.....u either had shit on him or u didn't. Exoneration is for a jury to decide not cops if it's decided to criminally prosecute someone or not. They didn't bother. So, end of story. Parroting failed narratives or debunked "facts" doesn't make them true or lend any further credence to them either. 1) There was no attempt on my part to imply anything via Maxwell's photos with Trump, except to impart photographic indication of Trump's longstanding association with Epstein via someone who was also a known longstanding cohort and friend. The photos are obviously spread out over more than one event. I didn't mention Maxwell in my first post nor the second. Citing Reagan and a young Putin together and asking an obviously irrelevant question is leading the argument into realms of fantasy. There was never any question of Reagan being used by a young Putin. It was never an issue. John Wayne Garcy jr and Mrs Carter were never involved with each other except for a photo op, after which they probably immediately departed on their own ways. Once again, asking a leading question which didn't happen. It was never remotely an issue. You've cooked up a couple of non-happenings with ridiculous imagined confabulations to support something which I've never implied re Maxwell and Trump photos. Trump and Maxwell obviously had a longstanding relationship with each other, which doesn't automatically mean Trump is guilty of underage sex. It simply means that Trump was there, must have known what was going on, after parties, beauty contests, deals, friendship spread over many years. It doesn't prove his guilt re underage sex, the photos simply endorse a known longtime relationship of Trump's with Maxwell and Epstein, indicated by many more photos of the three of them over the years on the Net. My only assertion is that Trump MUST have known what was going on re the underage trafficking for sex. Epstein was convicted of it. 2) There is not only a two-tier justice system but it's also convoluted to the extent that it protects the wealthy and high-livers such as Jeffrey Epstein, whose case is a classic example. 13 months jail conviction for sex trafficking a minor (for one) which was "served" being allowed to go to work every day and return to jail at night. In other words, jail was really only a boarding house. You also know that no matter what the justice system consists of, there are often wildly different sentences handed out for the same crime(s) and Epstein's sentence effectively freed him to carry on with his "lifestyle" until ten years later, he's up for much the same things. America's justice system let so many young women down and caused another ten years of grief and abuse. That is a strong indication that Epstein didn't change his ways, and carried on until caught again. It also indicates by implication that that is the sort of thing that Epstein had always done long before Trump and he fell out in 2004. Therefore whether Trump had done the same things i.e. had sexual relations with underage girls is not proven in Court, but it is certain that Trump at least must have known what was going on over what looks like about 15 years. Why didn't Trump blow the whistle on Epstein, even anonymously ? It must be fairly obvious that not much was said (and Epstein's paltry sentence) because of the many rich and famous people Epstein knew, including Prince Andrew, photographed with an allegedly underage model with Maxwell in the background. The Prince is wanted by American authorities for questioning. 3) The links re Russian election interference include an official document that itself cites Russian interference in its findings. If that has been debunked, post the evidence. Lets see Drooler's "exhaustive 30m" as well. I've done my best to support my story as per Trump's unfitness for presidency, let's see some of yours. 4) "..... they investigated Dump for but couldn't exonerate him either." "....u either had shit on him or u didn't." Your second sentence contradicts the first. By your first sentence, not being able to convict nor exonerate leaves the matter still in the air, not black and white or "on or off". The world is not only black and white, there's a lot of grey areas as well.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 23, 2021 7:45:45 GMT
There are plenty of historical precedents of undesirables mixing in social circles & shaking hands with important people. Taking photos with unsavory and sometimes outright evil people is one of the occupational hazards of politics & being a celebrity..................................................... 1) There was no attempt on my part to imply anything via Maxwell's photos with Trump, except to impart photographic indication of Trump's longstanding association with Epstein via someone who was also a known longstanding cohort and friend. The photos are obviously spread out over more than one event. I didn't mention Maxwell in my first post nor the second. Citing Reagan and a young Putin together and asking an obviously irrelevant question is leading the argument into realms of fantasy. There was never any question of Reagan being used by a young Putin. It was never an issue John Wayne Garcy jr and Mrs Carter were never involved with each other except for a photo op, after which they probably immediately departed on their own ways. Once again, asking a leading question which didn't happen. It was never remotely an issue. You've cooked up a couple of non-happenings with ridiculous imagined confabulations to support something which I've never implied re Maxwell and Trump photos. Trump and Maxwell obviously had a longstanding relationship with each other, which doesn't automatically mean Trump is guilty of underage sex. It simply means that Trump was there, must have known what was going on, after parties, beauty contests, deals, friendship spread over many years. It doesn't prove his guilt re underage sex, the photos simply endorse a known longtime relationship of Trump's with Maxwell and Epstein, indicated by many more photos of the three of them over the years on the Net. My only assertion is that Trump MUST have known what was going on re the underage trafficking for sex. Epstein was convicted of it. There is not only a two-tier justice system but it's also convoluted to the extent that it protects the wealthy and high-livers such as Jeffrey Epstein, whose case is a classic example. 13 months jail conviction for sex trafficking a minor (for one) which was "served" being allowed to go to work every day and return to jail at night. In other words, jail was really only a boarding house. You also know that no matter what the justice system consists of, there are often wildly different sentences handed out for the same crime(s) and Epstein's sentence effectively freed him to carry on with his "lifestyle" until ten years later, he's up for much the same things. America's justice system let so many young women down and caused another ten years of grief and abuse. That is a strong indication that Epstein didn't change his ways, and carried on until caught again. It also indicates by implication that that is the sort of thing that Epstein had always done long before Trump and he fell out in 2004. Therefore whether Trump had done the same things i.e. had sexual relations with underage girls is not proven in Court, but it is certain that Trump at least must have known what was going on over what looks like about 15 years. Why didn't Trump blow the whistle on Epstein, even anonymously ? It must be fairly obvious that not much was said (and Epstein's paltry sentence) because of the many rich and famous people Epstein knew, including Prince Andrew, photographed with an allegedly underage model with Maxwell in the background. The Prince is wanted by American authorities for questioning. The links re Russian election interference include an official document that itself cites Russian interference in its findings. If that has been debunked, post the evidence. Lets see Drooler's "exhaustive 30m" as well. I've done my best to support my story as per Trump's unfitness for presidency, let's see some of yours. 4) "..... they investigated Dump for but couldn't exonerate him either." "....u either had shit on him or u didn't." Your second sentence contradicts the first. By your first sentence, not being able to convict nor exonerate leaves the matter still in the air, not black and white or "on or off". The world is not only black and white, there's a lot of grey areas as well.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2021 10:01:20 GMT
"I'll rebutt that anecdotally: I had a neighbor for years whom I rubbed elbows with at the local bar (they had backgammon tables I liked using & he did too). He was polite & respectful. After 4 years, I found out he was militantly gay."
And you partied with him for years, made deals with him, lived next to him, travelled on his plane and he on yours, was lots of fun and a good friend to have ? Shared women together at least on the modelling side ?
"..so is your " implied guilt by association" thesis. My example is no more trite or worse than yours."
I've made it plain that Trump is not guilty just because there's quite a number of pictures of him with Maxwell. But his association with Epstein would have informed Trump that Epstein was trafficking underage girls over the years. Otherwise Trump was either blind or stupid.
" No worse then saying any level of association of Dump with Eppy & his pimp requires an apriori knowledge of Epstein's private life or dealings. I deal with people on the periphery all the time without really knowing them. A common occurrence that happens to many."
Well hello. Need it be pointed out that Trump, Maxwell, and "Eppy" were hardly on the periphery of each other ?
"U used those photos to bolster ur claims of a longstanding relationship & by extension apriori knowledge that Dump was aware or should have been aware of what Epstein was all about."
Absolutely. Bostering something which is common knowledge re longstanding relationship. Said longstanding relationships between the three are well-known. Trump himself said so in 2002.
"Turns out my neighbor was not only gay but a convicted pedo-bear. Would the same logic applied to Dump be laid on me too?"
Not unless you had a close relationships with your pedo-bear, not necessarily sexual but...you know...around 15 years of partying together, travelling, deals made. Please tell me you didn't do all that, Mox.
"I think Eppy was an intelligence asset that deliberately compromised people."
That's a possibility. But he certainly wasn't allowed to compromise Trump or other high-flyers because no other names were brought into Epstein's 2008 conviction. Later in 2018-19, Trump was prezzy and it's no surprise that doubt exists about Epstein's "suicide". I'll be surprised if Maxwell ever gets to trial, too.
" Fair enough. Coming to forum near you. I need to collate everything to present them"
Just the document thanks. You've already explained about Dooler.
" EXACTLY. This was the cornerstone of the preface in the Drooler Report."
Sorry, I didn't realize the Dooler report was a smear campaign. That's not on, as far as I'm concerned.
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