Michael
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Post by Michael on Nov 1, 2020 23:50:45 GMT
I thought this video was decent. It makes sense to me and I agree with the stuff he says. You may not agree but that's ok, we don't have to agree. I personally never want to be stuck in the," one way" of training thing or degrade the way someone trains. I was stupid and guiliable in the past, lesson learned. It's hard for me to be a minimalist.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2020 18:05:25 GMT
I was stupid and guiliable in the past Friends, say goodbye to Michael.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2020 18:31:42 GMT
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Post by brothersteve on Nov 2, 2020 18:39:27 GMT
I like the video. I don't think any training is dumb and don't think bodybuilding training is dumb at all. Personal preference is key, whether it is from injury, time, equipment or lack of equipment, etc. I see bodybuilding as such an intricate and specialized endeavor that requires a lot of thinking as well as time consuming that it takes a special person to do it. I also consider the strict diet part of bodybuilding. I did it for a while and couldn't keep it up. Kudos to those who can. The results I achieved at the time were what I hoped for.
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Post by billfish on Nov 2, 2020 18:44:58 GMT
I was stupid and guiliable in the past Friends, say goodbye to Michael.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Nov 2, 2020 18:55:07 GMT
Brothersteve, it depends on how you go about it whether it's time consuming. I think a mistake in any type of training is making it time consuming. You can get in a good training session in less time than some will have You think. I made the mistake of following the crazy stuff in bodybuilding mags when I first started.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Nov 2, 2020 21:09:00 GMT
Michael, doesn't your "volume" come from chosen profession rather than your workouts?
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Post by Michael on Nov 2, 2020 21:42:26 GMT
Yeah there are some days that what I do on my jobs is a lot of volume. But most people that do physical work, myself included, don't really pay attention or realize they do stuff the same way all the time. For example, when I carry logs or drag brush, I tend to carry logs on my right shoulder and drag brush on my left side. There are reasons why I do that but I won't get into it unless You want me to. But You tend to get muscle imbalances doing work stuff the same way all the time. There are days when doing stuff like that all day it doesn't feel good.
Exercise feels good to me and helps balance stuff out. I honestly like all exercise but lately, I've been doing KB circuits 4 times a week and walking. I kind of do what I like. There are times where I'll do bodybuilding sessions with DBs and Bruce's cables which always feels good. That kind of training seems to balance stuff out muscle imbalance wise. Depending on what I'm doing, I do from 3-6 sets per body part. I don't train like that all the time. Most of the time it's KBs rounded out by bands and basic calisthenics.
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Post by pierinifitness on Nov 2, 2020 23:41:32 GMT
I don’t think training like a bodybuilder is dumb but I do think it’s hard.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Nov 15, 2020 0:11:55 GMT
Since Pierini said the forum has been slow I felt like adding some thoughts to this thread. I was thinking about the bad rap this style of training gets which there are many ways to apply. Again, not everyone is going to agree with me, and know most here have no interest in this style of training. Many people have had very good results from bodybuilding training. So I would argue it could have a lot to offer to some, again just my opinion. That style involves spot training with isolation movements which can definitely help work on weak areas and plug gaps missed by other strength training methods. I have benefited from this shoulder wise because I use rear delt exercises that have helped strengthen my shoulders for pressing. The lighter weights and wide rep ranges are good for increasing work capacity and strengthen tendons. I think people look at drug use which has to do with the sport, not the training itself. The training gets a bad rap because of past people, and some unfortunate trends. If it's done sensibly and benefits the person I'm glad for them.
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Post by brothersteve on Nov 15, 2020 0:41:37 GMT
For me, to make it work, I had to workout 1.5 hours a day (including cardio 20-25 minutes) about 6 days a week, eat clean and avg. 230 grams protein in 6-7 feedings and 1 gallon of water daily - no other liquids. Sleep 8 hours nightly and a 1 hour nap every other day. The training was a lot of pumping with little to no rest between sets and only to a point so as not exhaust/overtrain for the next session which was tricky. I got great results 9best shape of my life), most notably 17.5 arms unpumped with 51 chest and a 33 inch waist. I weighed 192 at 6'1" and could perform 95 pushups in a single set and 31 pullups in a single set. I could run a 5:52 mile. Calves never were more than 16 no matter what bodyweight and I've been up to 230. It became a chore. I started to hate to have to eat when not hungry. I gave it up to enjoy life without feeling guilty from going off schedule of eating sleeping and training. I was 33 yrs old and had sore shoulders and achy knees constantly. Kudos to those who can stay on it.
Now, my goal is to feel good all the time whilst still being able to perform any real world physical demand (within reason).
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 15, 2020 0:42:17 GMT
...... The training gets a bad rap because of past people, and some unfortunate trends. If it's done sensibly and benefits the person I'm glad for them. One look at Jason Gallant and what he can do should be enough to convince anyone. If that is what you're into and want to learn from the interwebs, I'd say he's the go-to.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 15, 2020 0:44:23 GMT
Gr8 post brothersteve.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Nov 15, 2020 1:12:36 GMT
Brothersteve that's extreme and what most people think and look at. Jason Gallant and think about it Whiffet are good examples of not being extreme. I do remember one-time Whiffet said he got great results without cardio and Jason doesn't do much cardio. No reason for any busy person to train that long and eating that much. Again those two guys are good examples for less training time, less eating, and not overdoing the protein. I know exactly how I would train if I wanted to do that type of training completely and be done in 30 minutes. I alsoknow a couple of people that train that way. I respect that You trained that long and Your dedication but there's more ways to go about it than what's in a magazine.
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Post by brothersteve on Nov 15, 2020 14:26:01 GMT
It was the only thing that worked for me to get the dramatic results (I was never in the league of Gallant) I could achieve.
I saw some guys do 2.25 hours a day who did it naturally, so I though I got away 'easy'. I was in shape before engaging in this, but weighed about 212 and needed the cardio to burn the fat. Since I had worked out for decades before this, the only way to increase muscle size while reducing fat was to feed the muscle via protein saturation (as advocated by Gironda) and not the fat but burn the fat with cardio. All the exercises were ones that I could get the best pump from, all 3/4 to full range and most were bodyweight. No concern for strength, just pump and look. The workouts were full body everyday, but the focus was on pumping where I would focus more on one bodypart per day but still do the others to flush them. I had very slight soreness everyday. The daily workouts were like an endorphin fix that made me feel better. I did this for about 7 months. Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years were my undoing. I wish I took pics, but was never a pic taker as never had a camera. I did keep measurements since I was 11 years old.
The only supplement was EAS meal replacement drink that had 42 grams protein taken 2-3 times a day. Chicken, tuna, and egg whites were my staples.
When I began to change my diet to less protein and cut down on workout frequency, the gains eroded.
Gallant is a natural genetically and in a league way above me, reminiscent of Grimek to me.
Now, my arms are 16.25 at about 214 and I have 7.5 inch wrists and long arms (76.5 reach with short fingers), but I do no pumping exercises. My best bench lifts (for power) were 345 bench, 425 squat at 230 when I was 27.
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