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Post by denis on Jun 18, 2020 13:37:02 GMT
Not doing anything of the sort.
I’ve encountered these American irrelevant wackjob postings for years on the net.
I’m glad Macky found it useful
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2020 16:25:16 GMT
Just quoting Howard. I’m not an American wackjob Thinking about your "I'm not an American wackjob" comment WHY don't you reveal where you live ? Then perhaps you should just STFU, mind your own business and sit back on your ivory throne far away from the mayhem Oh how easy it is to make judgments when so far away from what is actually happening and no doubt basing your very biased opinions on what the news media feeds you instead of seeing what is actually happening Yes, it's very easy to judge the cop's actions from your perspective.....I'm sure that you, being in a similar life and death situation would have calmly reasoned it all out, reviewed the proper procedures from the manual and then the laws before acting.....as you got shot at by a taser just a few short feet from you. That taser could have easily been the officer's gun In short....you are full of bullshit and you can take your judgments and opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine Or....you can volunteer to work along with the cops as they deal with these violent criminals who would kill them in a heartbeat and see what it's really like to be in that position My guess is you live in a nice, safe place and can't even imagine what it would be like to be in this situation Until you put on a gun and badge and put your life on the line you have no business passing judgement !
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Post by denis on Jun 18, 2020 16:57:01 GMT
American wackjob ^ I posted the D.A. And I can see the video. He was many feet away
Go fuck your self shit for brains
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2020 17:15:40 GMT
American wackjob ^ I posted the D.A. And I can see the video. He was many feet away Go fuck your self shit for brains Is that the best you can do ? WHY won't you reveal where you live ? Rather thin-skinned aren't we .....did I strike a nerve Mr Ivory Tower ?
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Post by denis on Jun 18, 2020 17:43:36 GMT
Australia
I don’t have it out for cops. I used to counsel some of them. They were my friends. I’ve been close to the department at times. I lived for years in one the most crime ridden areas in the country. I was once told every house in the area was stolen from. The police are a permanent stake out fixture in the area. I’m now friends with a couple of them too.
There was one who joined our political party at the time. The Australian Democrats. He came over a few times and told us stories about life. He talked also about being driven to the party because of police corruption. They didn’t like him ticketing a rich mans son. They had it in for him when he refused to back down. It sounded a bit like Trevor Haken.
I still hope Rolfe is given a fair go.
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Post by denis on Jun 18, 2020 18:10:27 GMT
Also my sisters father in law was a cop. I talk to him occasionally about things
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2020 19:48:01 GMT
And I would like to add to that, repeating what I've said before, the cops are the Blue Watch of my Red White And Blue hero's list.
Yes their job is a largely thankless one, and they face death and injury every single time they go out on patrol. That takes guts and determination. I echo Denis' comment that Rolfe is given a fair go, hopefully free from the lunacy which seems to have taken over America as we speak, with utter nutjobs wanting to de-fund or even abolish the police. WTF ?
Who are you going to call when people like Brooks are kicking your front door down ?
Back to the main points I've been making re the botch-up leading to Brooks' demise. Last night I was watching (for a change, I hardly ever watch TV) Police 10, and the cops had just pepper-sprayed a large and strong man who had taken a swing at them after a householder that he was threatening called the police.
The guy was essentially helpless but it still took five officers to carry him and load him into the back seat of the car because he was active enough to be a more than a handful for just a couple of otherwise strong cops. Brooks wasn't a big guy, but he was obviously powerful. Even two hands on one of his arms wasn't enough to pin his arm down.
How long does it take two experienced police officers to twig to the fact that they are boxing well above their own weight ? Any normal person who's done even a little bit of grappling knows within a matter of seconds whether his opponent is much stronger than them, don't they ?
And why the hell were they grappling with the guy with their tasers at hand ? They had a taser each but no, they are having too much fun trying to get some wrestling practice in.
Is that a professional and resolute way of controlling a situation which was obviously rapidly getting out of hand ? And what happened then ? Nothing but the inevitable. Brooks grabbed a taser out of a cops hand, broke free and ran.
And like I said in another post, running after a felon who is no longer any threat to the officers' safety and shooting at him without any regard to the background in the event of a miss.
Sure enough, IF the info is correct, the officer hit another vehicle with three occupants in it. What happened to his training re the use of firearms ? What if he had hit someone in a crowd of bystanders that should by rights have been remaining at a safe distance from the initial action. Or one of the vehicle's occupants ?
Sorry, but I don't buy any of that. The police IN THIS CASE were incompetent. They not only lost control of the arrest, they lost control of their own training.
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2020 19:48:39 GMT
Denis Besides my family members, i have had many friends who became cops.....some good, some not so good Corruption exists everywhere.....but not all cops are corrupt or racist or trigger happy I have a very good friend of many years who was a cop in the NYC subway system who shot and killed two individuals on two different occasions On both occasions he was alone and facing armed individuals, one of whom had a knife and slashed him several times while also trying to stab him. My friend wrestled and fought with this guy and was covered in blood before finally shooting him....the other guy had a gun and fired upon my friend, my friend fired back and killed him. My feelings towards both of these criminals ....Good, they are no longer a threat to anyone ! My friend suffered from what now is known as PTSD for years with feelings of guilt and wondering if he could have handled it a different way. Recently while speaking on the phone, we talked about the shootings and he finally came to grips with it, realizing that he acted as a last resort to save his own life Both of the individuals he killed were violent criminals with extensive police records and had served prison terms My friend was also in a bar one night when it was held up by black armed robbers, armed with handguns and shotguns...they put everyone against the wall at gunpoint and proceeded to rob them while pistol whipping them. They discovered my friend's gun and badge and put a shotgun to his head stating that they were going to kill him as they had all been in some of NY State's most violent prisons. Their lookout yelled that there was car approaching and they quickly exited.....saving my friend's life no doubt So before you use terms like "American wackjob" you should know what you are talking about And BTW...we spell it "whackjob" As for the cop involved in that shooting, i would give him a medal for taking out the trash, the guy he shot was a violent criminal with an extensive police record I spent 21 years in high crime black neighborhoods.......all the money in the world wouldn't sway me to become a cop after what i saw and heard what the cops have to deal with If you don't like the way things are handled here....just change the TV channel
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Post by denis on Jun 18, 2020 20:00:59 GMT
I’ll agree to disagree on this one
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2020 20:01:45 GMT
Denis Besides my family members, i have had many friends who became cops.....some good, some not so good Corruption exists everywhere.....but not all cops are corrupt or racist or trigger happy I have a very good friend of many years who was a cop in the NYC subway system who shot and killed two individuals on two different occasions On both occasions he was alone and facing armed individuals, one of whom had a knife and slashed him several times while also trying to stab him. My friend wrestled and fought with this guy and was covered in blood before finally shooting him....the other guy had a gun and fired upon my friend, my friend fired back and killed him. My feelings towards both of these criminals ....Good, they are no longer a threat to anyone ! My friend suffered from what now is known as PTSD for years with feelings of guilt and wondering if he could have handled it a different way. Recently while speaking on the phone, we talked about the shootings and he finally came to grips with it, realizing that he acted as a last resort to save his own life Both of the individuals he killed were violent criminals with extensive police records and had served prison terms My friend was also in a bar one night when it was held up by black armed robbers, armed with handguns and shotguns...they put everyone against the wall at gunpoint and proceeded to rob them while pistol whipping them. They discovered my friend's gun and badge and put a shotgun to his head stating that they were going to kill him as they had all been in some of NY State's most violent prisons. Their lookout yelled that there was car approaching and they quickly exited.....saving my friend's life no doubt So before you use terms like "American wackjob" you should know what you are talking about And BTW...we spell it "whackjob" As for the cop involved in that shooting, i would give him a medal for taking out the trash, the guy he shot was a violent criminal with an extensive police record I spent 21 years in high crime black neighborhoods.......all the money in the world wouldn't sway me to become a cop after what i saw and heard what the cops have to deal with If you don't like the way things are handled here....just change the TV channel Exactly. If the officer(s) had done what they should have, i.e. stepped back, drawn their guns (or one of them while the other still held onto Brooks), and cautioned the guy that he was under gunpoint, then shot him if he tried to continue to break free then so be it. No question.
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Post by billfish on Jun 18, 2020 20:47:24 GMT
Denis Besides my family members, i have had many friends who became cops.....some good, some not so good Corruption exists everywhere.....but not all cops are corrupt or racist or trigger happy I have a very good friend of many years who was a cop in the NYC subway system who shot and killed two individuals on two different occasions On both occasions he was alone and facing armed individuals, one of whom had a knife and slashed him several times while also trying to stab him. My friend wrestled and fought with this guy and was covered in blood before finally shooting him....the other guy had a gun and fired upon my friend, my friend fired back and killed him. My feelings towards both of these criminals ....Good, they are no longer a threat to anyone ! My friend suffered from what now is known as PTSD for years with feelings of guilt and wondering if he could have handled it a different way. Recently while speaking on the phone, we talked about the shootings and he finally came to grips with it, realizing that he acted as a last resort to save his own life Both of the individuals he killed were violent criminals with extensive police records and had served prison terms My friend was also in a bar one night when it was held up by black armed robbers, armed with handguns and shotguns...they put everyone against the wall at gunpoint and proceeded to rob them while pistol whipping them. They discovered my friend's gun and badge and put a shotgun to his head stating that they were going to kill him as they had all been in some of NY State's most violent prisons. Their lookout yelled that there was car approaching and they quickly exited.....saving my friend's life no doubt So before you use terms like "American wackjob" you should know what you are talking about And BTW...we spell it "whackjob" As for the cop involved in that shooting, i would give him a medal for taking out the trash, the guy he shot was a violent criminal with an extensive police record I spent 21 years in high crime black neighborhoods.......all the money in the world wouldn't sway me to become a cop after what i saw and heard what the cops have to deal with If you don't like the way things are handled here....just change the TV channel Exactly. If the officer(s) had done what they should have, i.e. stepped back, drawn their guns (or one of them while the other still held onto Brooks), and cautioned the guy that he was under gunpoint, then shot him if he tried to continue to break free then so be it. No question. Macky....as always, I respect your opinion. But in this case it's easy to say what they SHOULD have done. Who knows what was going through their minds at that time. I say that the shooting was entirely justified as the DA involved ruled just a few weeks ago that a taser was a deadly weapon when ruling on a case. If i was the cop and the guy fired the taser at me, I don't know what I'd do, but it's entirely possible that I too would have shot him. Numerous police officers have been killed and injured in the States in recent times and I would consider it a life threatening move if he pointed that taser at me. Yes, I know what the videos show/don't show, but I've been shot at and heard the bullets hit the wall behind my head. I'm putting my support behind the cops here.....cops first, criminals last. You really don't know just how bad the situation has become here with attacks upon the police.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 18, 2020 21:06:13 GMT
All the Monday morning quarterbacking that you are hearing here is one of the hardest things you go through after a deadly force incident.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 18, 2020 22:01:37 GMT
American wackjob ^ I posted the D.A. And I can see the video. He was many feet away Go fuck your self shit for brains Is that the best you can do ? WHY won't you reveal where you live ? Rather thin-skinned aren't we .....did I strike a nerve Mr Ivory Tower ? I've got a funny hunch that 'denis' is really 'Denise'... so that would correctly be 'Miss Ivory Tower'...
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2020 22:05:01 GMT
I'm sorry fellas, but I DO know what is going on up there because we have the same sort of incidents here, and at any rate, I know that you guys know what you're talking about and I believe you because you are not dreamers. You're my fellow members and friends.
And I'll say it again. The Blue Watch are among my heroes. Everyone makes mistakes, it's only human.
I am commenting on a single incident where two officers made a mistake which was only compounded with more mistakes as the situation progressed.
1) Their first mistake was NOT initially trying to restrain the guy in order to cuff him. It was continuing to wrestle with him when it should have been obvious within seconds he was more than a match for both of them.
2) The officers had the advantage by force of arms, which they did not use appropriately. That was obvious by the felon being able to take a taser off one of the officers. Two mistakes.
3) At that point, they still had the advantage because of their guns, with the felon only feet away as he took to his heels. They didn't have their guns out so their advantage of proximity was lost.
4) Next mistake was to pursue him, which resulted in their safety being compromised by he turning and firing the taser at them. Why didn't they already have their guns drawn and shoot him there and then ? Another mistake.
5) More chasing after him when he was no further threat to their safety and beginning at long last to use their guns, or at least one of the officers. Too late. The background was not taken into consideration and if what Denis posted is true, then that very fact is proven without argument by one of the shots hitting another vehicle that had three occupants in it.
Is that the sort of thing that is typical of American police officer behaviour, where shooting a firearm at a fleeing crim (by then in this incident) that presents no further threat (because he's already discharged the taser) takes no regard to what is in the background ? Resulting in a dangerous hit on an occupied vehicle ?
Whether I'm over there or not makes no difference. I have not gone on reading all the nonsense, only the initial report of the incident (like yourselves) and then examining the videos. The evidence for what I am asserting is no less clearer to me thousands of miles away as it is to you guys, even if you were in the next street to the action.
Look, we have somewhat the same sort of nonsense over here as well. There was a guy shot dead years ago by a detective who had raided his apartment in the early hours. The door was kicked open and the guy appeared with moonlight from a window shining on a tube, which resulted in he being shot. The tube was a Bullworker, and oh the radio was going crazy about police shootings of Maori etc. What wasn't focused on, was this guy had already been identified as one of three (possibly the shooter) who had the previous evening fired a shotgun into a crowded bar at the ceiling, with many patrons being hit and injured by pellets and ceiling material. Callers trying to make that point were cut off the air.
As far as I'm concerned, the guy got his just deserts. No sympathy for him whatsoever.
On the other hand, a bloke on the west coast was killed by police when he advanced on them after warnings including a shot in the air, with a golf club. The police were cleared eventually after a couple of court cases, but nobody seemed to mention that the fatal wounds were shots 3 and 4, in his side and back.
That demonstrated without doubt that he was already tumbling after the first two shots, possibly the very first shot, and that the two final shots were not necessary.
So police make mistakes. Understandable. The mistakes in this case under discussion kept on stacking one after the other until finally shots were fired long after they should have been, the worst mistake.
Not because the guy was killed, because if there is any universal justice, he got his dues finally after a lifetime of violence, including on children which I have NO sympathy for whatsoever.
(Mags posted an enlightening amount of info on this guy's criminal record.)
But because those officers should not have brawled with him, should not have taken tasers to the fight unless they were willing to use them the moment the guy resisted, did not use their guns appropriately initially, midway when the guy fired the taser at them, and certainly later when one of them shot at the guy without regard to the background in the event of a miss (which happened).
They are lucky nobody else was killed further down range.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 18, 2020 22:05:36 GMT
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