moxohol
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Post by moxohol on May 31, 2020 2:27:41 GMT
When I mentioned the stretched position for a static pull up, it entails that the elbows are slightly bent & the shoulders fully retracted down. This method offsets any impingments. Before doing this, I did have impingments & was advised to add shoulder presses with my elbows in front of me not to the sides. The impingments went away.
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TexasRanger
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 16:39:24 GMT
Great stuff, Michael! Thanks for posting.
Similar to what Pete Sisco and John Little wrote about with Power Factor training years ago. Sisco adamantly stated there's no need to go full ROM nor put joints in a position (via lockout or full extension) which will compromise joint integrity, connective issue, etc. He or Little stated something to the affect when you're doing normal work -- pushing, pulling, etc., you don't normally do a full range of anything. You instinctively work from the strongest (which is believed to be the safest) position.
You don't carry a box with your arms fully extended, for example: arms are typically slightly bent -- you instinctively do this so you're not overloading the biceps tendons. It is the artificial ROM we learn from the Bro Science that teaches us things like a bench press to the neck as taught by the late Vince Gironda to "better" load the pecs through a greater range of motion.
Some may recall that I'd posted something about this back on Portalguy's board years ago regarding pushups to save your shoulders.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 2, 2020 16:47:40 GMT
...... He or Little stated something to the affect when you're doing normal work -- pushing, pulling, etc., you don't normally do a full range of anything. You instinctively work from the strongest (which is believed to be the safest) position. You don't carry a box with your arms fully extended, for example: arms are typically slightly bent -- you instinctively do this so you're not overloading the biceps tendons. ..... I've heard Pete Wagner say this over and over in some of his older vids (haven't checked him for a while). I bet Jason Gallant would agree also. It just makes sense. When I was a physical laborer, I was most jacked of my life. I was just about getting it done and you can believe that I didn't pay any attention to ROM or making it harder than it needed to be.
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Post by vegetus25 on Jun 3, 2020 0:48:29 GMT
So partial reps are okay? Does that mean everyone has to stop making fun of Andy's push-up video now?
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 3, 2020 14:52:15 GMT
I'm a big fan of Jason's. He gives good advice. For so long I was a solid proponent of full range of motion. I've since learned the hard way that full range of motion can be damaging to the joints when used under a lot of tension as in strength training. Fine to do and practice with no load, but there are positions I don't need to be loading with weights and I've noticed my joints feel a lot better when I don't.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 3, 2020 15:08:21 GMT
You don't carry a box with your arms fully extended, for example: arms are typically slightly bent -- you instinctively do this so you're not overloading the biceps tendons. It is the artificial ROM we learn from the Bro Science that teaches us things like a bench press to the neck as taught by the late Vince Gironda to "better" load the pecs through a greater range of motion. Some may recall that I'd posted something about this back on Portalguy's board years ago regarding pushups to save your shoulders. I'd go one further. I have long forearms, so by the time the bar touches my chest (at any position) in bench press, my elbows are quite far down and have put my shoulders in a bad place. Now the few times I actually do bench I do it in a power rack and set the pins about 4 inches above my chest. Would it count in competition? Hell no. Am I competing in powerlifting? Hell no. So why limit a movement to some "predetermined by a sport I am not participating in", range of motion. I work my chest as well as bench press ever did and my shoulders are better off. Another thing I do is with chins grip pulldowns on a lat bar. I stand up, grab the bar with my arms pre bent, sit down and do the movement never straightening my arms all the way up. To see why, put your arms in front of you like you were doing a barbell curl, with palms facing up. Keep your palms up, now raise your arms into a shoulder press. Notice how it gets hard to put them up, but if you face your palms away, they go up easily? There is an impingement that is happening and by doing full range of motion pulldowns with a chin grip, you are stressing your shoulders. Same would be true of regular chin ups. What I found by altering some of my movements and finding my own "right" I feel like I did a couple decades ago when I felt the work in the muscles more than the joints.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 3, 2020 15:21:03 GMT
So partial reps are okay? Does that mean everyone has to stop making fun of Andy's push-up video now? Oh, you mean the "100 he did with full range of motion and perfect military form"?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 3, 2020 15:22:17 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 3, 2020 15:50:53 GMT
...... of full range of motion. ........ Fine to do and practice with no load, but there are positions I don't need to be loading with weights and I've noticed my joints feel a lot better when I don't. Yes. Except for 1 that I can think of*, the exercises I do with full ROM are done with no weight or just the weight of a stick. eg; Chi-kung exercises and free-stretching, etc. *The one, weighted, full ROM exercise that I can think of is the Alternating Arm, Squat, Lift, OHP using one, light or moderately weighted DB (usually a 20#er), done s.l.o.w.l.y, sometimes with pauses, starting with weak side which determines when to stop since I don't try to count the reps.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 3, 2020 18:05:47 GMT
So partial reps are okay? Does that mean everyone has to stop making fun of Andy's push-up video now? Oh, you mean the "100 he did with full range of motion and perfect military form"? Let's not forget the V-Taper an a neck that is a pillar of strength. I hope Andy is doing well where ever he's at.
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