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Post by Magnus on Jan 7, 2021 23:52:26 GMT
Macky, by the "city" I specifically mean the borough of Manhattan, and depending on their means, people are either moving to the outer borough's or to other states like Florida or the Carolina's, etc where you don't have democrat lunatics in charge... I see Mags. I looked up your link in your next post. I know you mentioned democrats as not being the same as they once were, and I'm sure you're right. But I suspect this thing is higher up than partisan politics. Someone or more are pulling the strings above Cuomo and DeBlasio. Here's something else I wondered about for the shutting down of Manhattan businesses www.theverge.com/2019/3/14/18265833/new-york-city-climate-change-sea-level-rise-bill-de-blasio-developmentThe article is dated March 2019. Could it be that Covid 19 is being used to shut buildings and businesses down to keep removal of businesses costs down as well ? I really don't know for sure, it could be far more complicated than most would think, but one possible, at least partial explanation is that they're just destroying as much 'capitalism' as possible ?...
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Post by macky on Jan 8, 2021 4:42:19 GMT
I see Mags. I looked up your link in your next post. I know you mentioned democrats as not being the same as they once were, and I'm sure you're right. But I suspect this thing is higher up than partisan politics. Someone or more are pulling the strings above Cuomo and DeBlasio. Here's something else I wondered about for the shutting down of Manhattan businesses www.theverge.com/2019/3/14/18265833/new-york-city-climate-change-sea-level-rise-bill-de-blasio-developmentThe article is dated March 2019. Could it be that Covid 19 is being used to shut buildings and businesses down to keep removal of businesses costs down as well ? I really don't know for sure, it could be far more complicated than most would think, but one possible, at least partial explanation is that they're just destroying as much 'capitalism' as possible ?... I don't think Cuomo and de Blasio are going to be working alone and off their own initiative. I'm sure they are being directed from well above their heads. After all, why shut down a significant portion of the very areas you're in charge of ? I'm also fairly sure that Capitalism has too strong a grip via the PTB in our countries for that to be the main purpose. Why destroy significant tax revenue that supports local government etc ? Something's going on that is more than just Covid restrictions, I would bet.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 8, 2021 10:38:55 GMT
I really don't know for sure, it could be far more complicated than most would think, but one possible, at least partial explanation is that they're just destroying as much 'capitalism' as possible ?... I don't think Cuomo and de Blasio are going to be working alone and off their own initiative. I'm sure they are being directed from well above their heads. After all, why shut down a significant portion of the very areas you're in charge of ? I'm also fairly sure that Capitalism has too strong a grip via the PTB in our countries for that to be the main purpose. Why destroy significant tax revenue that supports local government etc ?
Something's going on that is more than just Covid restrictions, I would bet. Why destroy tax revenue ?.... Not sure how much tax they're going to collect from boarded up business's and all of the well to do residents that are leaving in droves, but not to worry, now that 'Dementia-Joe & The Ho' along with the Demon-Rats controlling everything else, NYC will just get bailed out by the federal government... Seems this has been the Demon-Rats plan all along... www.newsmax.com/us/bill-de-blasio-new-york-bailout-pandemic/2020/04/16/id/963261/
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Post by macky on Jan 8, 2021 11:32:54 GMT
I meant that why close something that could keep on providing tax revenue.
Re bailout. I'm sure there's always some sort of corruption going on, but I would usually be in favour of keeping businesses going via bailout by federal govt than simply allowing market forces to rule the day entirely.
My views are a bit of capitalism, a bit of socialism. It's good to expand your business on the back of good product and excellent service, provide jobs etc, but in something out of any business control like a hurricane or pandemic, I've always believed the fed govt has a responsibility to protect that which it gathers tax from, and which supports the local infrastructure in a positive way.
Obviously some businesses are a lost cause, kept barely afloat because of lack of demand for their product, poor service and reputation, inept management. But genuinely beneficial businesses should certainly be bailed out by the federal govt. Why have a ghost town full of potential equity (buildings, etc) and support for utilities such as your steam heating, electricity, water etc that is essentially dead once the shop is closed ?
A restaurant for example supports other utilities/businesses in its operation, and contributes to the money-go-round that diners pay, e.g. all types of food source businesses, right down to the growers/farmers that supply the diner's products, the carriers and couriers, accountants etc.
It's a mistake to let market forces dictate everything, particularly when natural disasters out of control of said businesses threaten to close them down. On the other hand, just perpetually dolling out more money to obviously lost causes is also a mistake. A balance has to be struck between outright capitalism and social over-responsibility.
That's why I am wondering what "they" are really up to with all the boarding up. Many of the owners will probably have lost so much they couldn't start again even with a bailout. There comes a red line on any family's economy which once they fall beneath will never regain their business again. Just the enormous back-rent alone while the boardings are up could bankrupt a business, especially in what I believe would be a top-market area like Manhattan. Something's not right.
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 8, 2021 13:43:27 GMT
Just a quick COVID fact from a local news outlet here in upstate NY......."Nursing home residents account for two out of three Onondaga County residents who have died from Covid-19 since November".
My 85 yr old mom was in a NH not too long ago from 10/06/2020 to 11/02/2020. She was in the hospital first for 5 days. In looking for NH's she would be transferred to I read reviews about how NH employees were going to work sick with COVID ON PURPOSE. This NH mom went to is unique in that it's in a suburban area setup like a campus with 13 separate houses each holding about 12 residents for different things. My mom was in for physical therapy due to deterioration and there are other homes for post op, lifers in for rest of their lives, etc.
Mom said the nurses would have their boyfriends come over nights and gave them food and allowed them to sleep in vacant rooms (community spread???). WE, family, were not allowed in and could only bring clothes yet they brought in potentially sick friends and boyfriends?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 8, 2021 22:29:30 GMT
I spoke to my mum via video last week to ask her how Christmas went. She's in UK, I'm in Australia. The UK has gone into another lockdown. They were told they couldn't visit anyone or have visitors but my mum told me that her and my step father have already reached average life expectancy and don't know how much longer they have to live so they are not going to have the government tell her them who they can and can't have in their house. She's had a couple of my brothers, a brother's wife and several nieces and nephews. Some of them even stayed a week. She knows there's a virus out there but she said she doesn't spend any time worrying about it.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 8, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
Macky and Potatohead, I've pretty much abandoned the MSM. So much nonsense on there. I follow quite a few people on Twitter now. Mostly professionals. No news sites but maybe a 2 or 3 journalists and one of them is a doctor. I can't remember who the other two are but I'll probably unfollow them if they pop up. When it comes to the virus I'll read an article written by a doctor or a professor but I'm not very interested in what a journalist has to say on the subject. I will occasionally look at one of their articles to see if there's a link to scientific or official data though.
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Post by macky on Jan 9, 2021 1:13:39 GMT
Macky and Potatohead, I've pretty much abandoned the MSM. So much nonsense on there. I follow quite a few people on Twitter now. Mostly professionals. No news sites but maybe a 2 or 3 journalists and one of them is a doctor. I can't remember who the other two are but I'll probably unfollow them if they pop up. When it comes to the virus I'll read an article written by a doctor or a professor but I'm not very interested in what a journalist has to say on the subject. I will occasionally look at one of their articles to see if there's a link to scientific or official data though. Okay by me, M8t. The world is full of so much information now that it's hard to sort out the bits that are relevant, and true. The MSM keeps getting referred to often, but even that is largely owned by PTB-types, so I can only come to the conclusion that they deliberately play "left" against "right" ad nauseum through the "news" to keep the bulk of the People occupied and out of the PTB's hair as much as possible. I think that the Covid 19 thing has revealed many aspects that were not taken so seriously prior. I'm not talking about whether it's essentially true or not, I mean the conventional measures being totally mismanaged, figures "expanded", unnecessary lockdowns imposed in places that didn't need lockdown, mass hysteria, etc etc. The world is in total confusion in my opinion, and with the way things are in America, the leader of our countries, I can't see any concerted action both Covid and economically, that will fix things any time soon. My advice since you're in Australia is for you and Mrs Bruv to go Walkabout on your free days and talk to the Koalas. I'm sure you'll get more sense out of them than most of our collective country's administrations put together.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 9, 2021 8:41:04 GMT
My advice since you're in Australia is for you and Mrs Bruv to go Walkabout on your free days and talk to the Koalas. I'm sure you'll get more sense out of them than most of our collective country's administrations put together. (rofl) Not sure if I made myself clear, earlier. One of the journalists I follow is also doctor, or rather she is a doctor that sometimes writes articles. Yeah, I think that's probably how she would describe her occupation.
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Post by macky on Jan 9, 2021 9:27:42 GMT
My advice since you're in Australia is for you and Mrs Bruv to go Walkabout on your free days and talk to the Koalas. I'm sure you'll get more sense out of them than most of our collective country's administrations put together. Not sure if I made myself clear, earlier. One of the journalists I follow is also doctor, or rather she is a doctor that sometimes writes articles. Yeah, I think that's probably how she would describe her occupation. Oo-er, I hope she doesn't mind being followed around by a Brit bricky.......I won't breath a word to you-know-who....shhh....
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 9, 2021 13:46:12 GMT
Upstate NY's mantra is the daily news scare of increased cases and deaths, with a focus on nursing homes, and as Cuomo puts it '....getting vaccines in arms.'.
A previous article stated that the nursing home deaths being even higher as it only accounted for those that passed in the homes and the info was incomplete in that there were folks who were sent from the homes to the hospital where they later passed.
Even with all this in the news, the local in my public in my town still going out with no problem. Wherever I go I see the same heavy traffic and cars in parking lots as I did before this scamdemic.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 9, 2021 20:10:28 GMT
I see that New York state's daily deaths have been rising slowly for a couple of months or so but it doesn't look like they are rising high enough to be causing any excess deaths.
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 10, 2021 13:38:30 GMT
NY daily death rates are about the same, no excess. Not sure about what's going on downstate, but here in upstate the 'blame' for deaths they deem COVID is focusing on the nursing homes and those that were in them prior to death.
It seems they are trying to link Cuomo to blame him. As the person in charge of NY, he is also the target. Interesting how HE said he would not get the vaccine until the minorities got it.....is he waiting to see if it's safe first? I don't care for him or his attitude, but he got re-elected. He wants to run for POTUS in the future.
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Post by geordieboy on Jan 10, 2021 15:28:55 GMT
Hello all, i have been reading the fitness articles on here for some time and really enjoyed them, have also found the discussions on covid and elections very interesting. I have read quite a bit on covid and am of the opinion that it is no worse than seasonal flu really. I have attached a link below from an american economist who explains a lot of what is going on and who is pulling the strings. I would recommend reading his blog posts both backover and going forwards to make your own mind up. If hes right things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/conspiracy/lockdowns-intentionally-reducing-population-crushing-economy/
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Post by macky on Jan 17, 2021 9:33:17 GMT
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