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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jun 26, 2020 7:21:34 GMT
Does this mean that you're gonna move to NZ soon, Bruv ? Or are you a bit worried the country might float away once its ties with Oz become more strained ? Of course, if you do decide to cross the Ditch, you'll have to have a command of at least three languages in Auckland. Hindi, Arabic, and Chinglish. Mrs BigBruvOfEnglandUK wants to move to NZ. I think I would probably like it but we moved to Spain and then to Melbourne, we can't afford to keep moving to a new country. It costs so much money. I would like to move to Queensland but I think the rest of Australia has closed all the state borders to people coming from here at the moment. Anyway, not worrying myself about the actual virus. More concerned about the economy, m8.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 26, 2020 14:07:38 GMT
Does this mean that you're gonna move to NZ soon, Bruv ? Or are you a bit worried the country might float away once its ties with Oz become more strained ? Of course, if you do decide to cross the Ditch, you'll have to have a command of at least three languages in Auckland. Hindi, Arabic, and Chinglish. Mrs BigBruvOfEnglandUK wants to move to NZ. I think I would probably like it but we moved to Spain and then to Melbourne, we can't afford to keep moving to a new country. It costs so much money. I would like to move to Queensland but I think the rest of Australia has closed all the state borders to people coming from here at the moment. Anyway, not worrying myself about the actual virus. More concerned about the economy, m8. I would highly recommend that Mrs. Bruv and you consider moving to Hackensack.
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Post by macky on Jun 26, 2020 20:24:14 GMT
Does this mean that you're gonna move to NZ soon, Bruv ? Or are you a bit worried the country might float away once its ties with Oz become more strained ? Of course, if you do decide to cross the Ditch, you'll have to have a command of at least three languages in Auckland. Hindi, Arabic, and Chinglish. Mrs BigBruvOfEnglandUK wants to move to NZ. I think I would probably like it but we moved to Spain and then to Melbourne, we can't afford to keep moving to a new country. It costs so much money. I would like to move to Queensland but I think the rest of Australia has closed all the state borders to people coming from here at the moment. Anyway, not worrying myself about the actual virus. More concerned about the economy, m8.
Well the virus has disrupted things quite badly economy-wise at the moment, but there's a building boom on in Auckland at least, once they get going again. The thing about NZ is that as well as plenty of parks and green spaces in Auckland, nowhere is more than say 20 minutes away from country areas. I'm concerned that once the international flights get underway again in earnest, we'll see a second wave of virus cases. But at least if ever things settle down again, you're only a few hours away from spending a week or two here having having a look around. Down country there are cities like Wellington and Christchurch which would always provide work for your skills, I'm sure.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 26, 2020 22:02:07 GMT
Mrs BigBruvOfEnglandUK wants to move to NZ. I think I would probably like it but we moved to Spain and then to Melbourne, we can't afford to keep moving to a new country. It costs so much money. I would like to move to Queensland but I think the rest of Australia has closed all the state borders to people coming from here at the moment. Anyway, not worrying myself about the actual virus. More concerned about the economy, m8. I would highly recommend that Mrs. Bruv and you consider moving to Hackensack. Yeah, and he's tradin' in his Chevy for a Cadillac-ac-ac-ac-ac-ac....
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 26, 2020 22:50:38 GMT
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Post by macky on Jul 2, 2020 20:04:58 GMT
New daily record in the US on Wednesday 50,000+ new cases. Fauci has concerns it could rise to 100k a day if the virus is not brought under control, and people continue to engage in large gatherings.
"“Florida reopened some beaches today & they were packed. I guess in a way it makes perfect Florida-sense. To try to get a little sun so you look healthy at your funeral,” Bette Midler said."
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 2, 2020 20:59:51 GMT
That's great news, macky! (Not the Fauci or Midler sarcasm part though) The sooner everyone gets over it, the sooner we are all immune and can go back to work. More people being tested means more cases found, as many predicted. No surprise. We've just been delaying the inevitable that happens every flu season I remember. Protect the elderly (as usual), health care professionals and the at-risk chronically ill and let the low risk and no risk (those below 10yo) people get their immunity, as usual.
BTW, at the same time as the positive case numbers rise, the US death count is dropping. (Of course, one must also consider that something like 50% to 80% of tests for CV return false positive results.)
So, good news all around!
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Post by macky on Jul 2, 2020 21:59:42 GMT
I agree in principle mikey. But the problems still remain however, that 1) social distancing is not being kept to in many cases, therefore not doing any favours for the health workers and hospitals. While it is true that more being tested reveals more cases, there are significantly more hospitalizations recorded as well. In other words, patients that were not tested became ill enough to require hospital admission, where they were then tested. 2) the time between becoming infected, and showing symptoms remains variable, therefore uncertain, and causing possible problems re tracing. 3) the autopsies that have so far been undertaken have shown surprising and therefore uncertain ways that the virus attacks the body. Experienced doctors that were certain that the patient died from heart complications were surprised when an autopsy revealed thousands of micro-clots in the lungs, for example. There are also recorded brain damage among recovered cases, with the inevitable results. That means that many that have recovered from the disease have been left mentally impaired in some way. Hospitals report disorientation and confusion among some ex-patients on their discharge from hospital. www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infectionGiven all those serious problems, I think that waiting for natural immunization, which may of course work up to a point, has too high a cost in terms of lives both terminated and seriously impaired with those that survived. When you look at the countries at present that represent the worst number of cases and deaths, they all without exception are countries that did not take resolute action at the start, but either denied and mucked about like Trump and his crew, or like Brazil's leader refused to do anything about it. Re the numbers steadily (or otherwise) climbing in the US which is my main concern, there is no reason to believe that Covid 19 is anywhere near under control, and in a matter of days, the reported cases will reach 3 million, only six months or less after the first case in the US. That's incompetence. World leaders are noted for their reactions on serious emergencies, as much or more than their achievements. Trump has failed the greatest test of his leadership.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 3, 2020 5:29:54 GMT
I agree in principle mikey. But the problems still remain however, that 1) social distancing is not being kept to in many cases, therefore not doing any favours for the health workers and hospitals. While it is true that more being tested reveals more cases, there are significantly more hospitalizations recorded as well. In other words, patients that were not tested became ill enough to require hospital admission, where they were then tested. 2) the time between becoming infected, and showing symptoms remains variable, therefore uncertain, and causing possible problems re tracing. 3) the autopsies that have so far been undertaken have shown surprising and therefore uncertain ways that the virus attacks the body. Experienced doctors that were certain that the patient died from heart complications were surprised when an autopsy revealed thousands of micro-clots in the lungs, for example. There are also recorded brain damage among recovered cases, with the inevitable results. That means that many that have recovered from the disease have been left mentally impaired in some way. Hospitals report disorientation and confusion among some ex-patients on their discharge from hospital. www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infectionGiven all those serious problems, I think that waiting for natural immunization, which may of course work up to a point, has too high a cost in terms of lives both terminated and seriously impaired with those that survived. When you look at the countries at present that represent the worst number of cases and deaths, they all without exception are countries that did not take resolute action at the start, but either denied and mucked about like Trump and his crew, or like Brazil's leader refused to do anything about it. Re the numbers steadily (or otherwise) climbing in the US which is my main concern, there is no reason to believe that Covid 19 is anywhere near under control, and in a matter of days, the reported cases will reach 3 million, only six months or less after the first case in the US. That's incompetence. World leaders are noted for their reactions on serious emergencies, as much or more than their achievements. Trump has failed the greatest test of his leadership. 1) More positive tests result in more hospitalizations. Facilities receive bonuses for CV diagnosis, so 50% to 80% false positives helps their bottom line. However, they have had experience with the bug now plus deaths just keep going down in spite of all of that. You may be unaware, but people are being tested in the US without going to the hospital. If their result is positive, and considering the panic over it, they can demand to be hospitalized. How many people go to the hospital won't tell us much about how bad the bug is ... when no one is dying anymore. 2) I don't know about this one. What I've observed is about a 4 to 5 days from possible infection to unmistakeable symptoms, but I agree, it's uncertain. 3) Misuse of ventilators and ignoring treatments that were 100% successful killed many right from the start. It's fairly well known now, I think, that when a ventilator is hooked up to the patient to force breathing instead of supplying the O2 that they actually require, those who survive this torture are going to show some scars. No doubt, mistreating patients, either with ventilators or some way other than the ways that have been 100% successful, is going to leave them messed up somehow. In spite of the media spin, or perhaps because most people know it's severely biased BS, I think Trump will be re-elected.
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Post by macky on Jul 3, 2020 5:53:25 GMT
The election is certainly going to be interesting. Two liars competing for president, assuming Biden doesn't appoint someone else to run for it.
"How many people go to the hospital doesn't tell us much about how bad the bug is when no one is dying anymore." But they still are, aren't they ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 3, 2020 14:58:16 GMT
More testing. More false positives. More hospitalization. In spite of all of that, the number of people actually dying from what is supposed to be CV diagnosis is declining. What does this tell you?
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Post by macky on Jul 3, 2020 20:39:02 GMT
Okay, but aren't we going back over old ground again ? Dying from Covid 19 has always been tricky to diagnose, especially if the patient has had other serious health problems. Cause of death has always been guesswork in many cases, even apart from Covid infection.
There may be declining numbers of deaths, but they are still increasing. Over 400 in the US in the last 24 hrs, 40,000 new cases, approx. 2.8m total.
For all we know, the declining numbers of fatal cases could be because the health professionals have stopped so much of the misuse of the ventilators ?
And if the Covid 19 testing is so hit-and-miss, what are all the numbers of new cases suffering from, all of a sudden ? And what caused the brain damage of many of those that were "recovered" and discharged from hospital having trouble recognizing where the hell they were ? Flu ?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jul 3, 2020 22:48:43 GMT
Deaths per million: Belgium. 843 UK 650 USA 399
Cases per million: Belgium 5236 UK 4187 USA 8704
USA has more cases but less deaths per million than the worst hit European countries. Only China (If they are to be believed?) has carried out more tests than the USA. Percentage of population wise it is mostly very small countries that have carried out the most tests. With all the testing, loads of asymptomatic people are now classified as "cases" while daily death rates are declining in many countries even though there is no cure. Are cases more important than the daily death toll? I don't think so.
Belgium has the highest percentage of deaths per population. They were one of the first to go into a lockdown. USA has a lower percentage of deaths so far than Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden and France. They'll probably all end up with similar percentages when this is over (Or "Under control" whatever the fuck that means?)
The daily death rate peaked in early to mid April in the worst hit European countries and the USA and has been declining ever since. Probably start rising again in winter as corona viruses tend to be seasonal.
I'm amazed that people outside of the US want to make this all about Trump. The virus didn't start in the US and Trump didn't have any influence over the European countries reactions to the virus and more than a few of them have suffered far worse than the US so far. The US has a very large population so we should expect figures to be fairly high when a virus hits them. New York state has a population larger than both Belgium and Sweden. Over 40% live in New York city. Viruses spread quickly within densely packed areas.
The European countries are easing the lockdowns because the lockdowns are not sustainable and are causing too many other problems.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jul 3, 2020 22:58:49 GMT
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Post by pierinifitness on Jul 4, 2020 0:12:21 GMT
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