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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 9, 2017 1:01:23 GMT
"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." Objectivism is the philosophy of rational individualism." Ayn Rand My philosophy, in essence, is, whatever happens, I hope I'm having a beer at the time. Thank God! |
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 9, 2017 1:18:41 GMT
(2) Wrong, if I understand what you're saying. You experience "Ego" in your sleep...it is called dreaming. Your dream is the expression of your ego...a generation of some part of our identify. We may have zero clue what a dream means, but, that ego is your dream. Texas, I am talking about deep slow wave sleep - the condition without dreams and Ego feeling. Only in rapid eye movement sleep, we see our dreams and identify ourselves as Ego. The next example is deep anesthesia when we alive, but we do not feel our Ego. Bob - Our brains are alive 7 x 24. Our brains are controlling our voluntary and involuntary movement, all of which feeds who we are. - You eat a crappy meal in the evening. You disrupt your sleep with a few glasses of beer or wine. You've got a cold. Your insulin and cortisol levels are messed up, therefore, your brain is affected which impacts your sleep and all other functions that take place at night to include how you act, feel, think, respond, etc. - The room is a little warmer than normal, a little cooler...it also affects our body and the brain responds and we are affected during our sleep and when we wake up. - Go to sleep with classical music playing in the background...science has show our brain patterns are different than someone that goes to sleep with no music. Just because you're sleeping doesn't mean you're brain dead. And anesthesia? Again, you're wrong. Doctors and nurses have been taught to be careful about conversations held in an operating room because despite the patient being "asleep". Why? Their brain is still active and processing all sensory information. What you're not understanding is not consciously responding to external stimulus doesn't mean our brain is not hard at it, collecting data and continuing to combine all of that stimulus and information. Even when those drugs hit prior to surgery, your brain is kicking things into gear to try to metabolize the medication to re-establish homeostasis. All of this is processed and part of our bains, whether we recognize it or not. Otherwise, you're dead or having some level of restricted mental development. Blow out the incense and check out the science.  |
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Post by Bob50 on Nov 9, 2017 1:32:06 GMT
Texas, I have never told that during sleep or under anesthesia our brain is dead. I told that during slow wave sleep and under deep anesthesia we cannot identify ourselves as Ego. That is all. "Blow out the incense and check out the science" It is a big secret  , but I do not need to check something about the CNS. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 9, 2017 1:44:01 GMT
The thing is, Ego, is not a thing. Life is but a dream, sweetheart.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 9, 2017 13:58:43 GMT
Texas, I have never told that during sleep or under anesthesia our brain is dead. I told that during slow wave sleep and under deep anesthesia we cannot identify ourselves as Ego. That is all. "Blow out the incense and check out the science" It is a big secret , but I do not need to check something about the CNS. Bob, Let me suggest "I have never said that during sleep or under anesthesia our brain is dead. I said that.." might be a more correct way of writing this. (Assuming English isn't your first language? Hence the assistance... ) Ok, let's revisit this piece of wisdom and have us a lil' fun-fun: Assuming the author of this stuff is talking about a domesticated dog? Regardless, "dog the teacher" which is providing the meaning of life: 1. Will eat its own feces and!!! that of other animals. 2. Will lick its balls (if a male) and anus. 3. Will dry hump your leg, a pillow (if a male) -- just about anything that feels good. 4. Will drink water from a toilet. 5. Will roll around in feces in the grass. 6. Will sniff the butt of another dawg. 7. Will eat their own vomit. 8. May chase its own tail for no good reason. Now, I am the owner of a wonderful dog and we love her to death. But I don't think our pup is passing on any deep thoughts or identifying the solution for Frankl's union-closed sets conjecture anytime soon...  |
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Post by Bob50 on Nov 9, 2017 16:18:00 GMT
Great picture, Texas! But the answer is very simple. A hungry dog concentrates only on process of eating, e.g. on the current moment without any distraction. This time, the dog and meat are united. A dog is only example. Any hungry or thirsty animal or human might be in this Zen commentary. Attention, attention, attention to each process/moment in our life, it is enough to get Zen enlightenment. Very simple and wonderful!
I think now we can close this theme.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 9, 2017 17:13:53 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 9, 2017 17:24:30 GMT
Great picture, Texas! But the answer is very simple. A hungry dog concentrates only on process of eating, e.g. on the current moment without any distraction. This time, the dog and meat are united. A dog is only example. Any hungry or thirsty animal or human might be in this Zen commentary. Attention, attention, attention to each process/moment in our life, it is enough to get Zen enlightenment. Very simple and wonderful! I think now we can close this theme. Well, if you want to leave the discussion, np. But, the correct answer is the dog doesn't have a prefrontal cortex. Animals are missing advanced cognitive skills, such as social intelligence, planning, the ability to rationalize and reason and many others. This provides a huge differentiator and is the reason why humans function on a higher plane and will do things like sit in a cross-legged position for hours and dream up silly things like the ""dog the teacher" while other people are out building homes, performing bypass surgery, etc. Either way, Zen's got squat to do with it...a dog (or any other animal) is living on a combination of instincts that are pre-wired and things it has learned along the way. ie Don't pee on the carpet or I get in trouble...don't chase parked cars or I get hurt. Animals are only able to function in each moment in their lives because they're designed that way...like I indicated previously, lets see any animal try to work through an application involving quantum theory and how that lead to the discovery of black-body radiation. The only way we're getting close to an animal's mental state is a lobotomy and having been to Haight-Asbury and listened to Joe Biden's speeches, its obvious there are a few that may have partaken in this procedure... Well, there may be one dog who can teach us: |
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 9, 2017 18:17:55 GMT
Texas, I have never told that during sleep or under anesthesia our brain is dead. I told that during slow wave sleep and under deep anesthesia we cannot identify ourselves as Ego. That is all. "Blow out the incense and check out the science" It is a big secret , but I do not need to check something about the CNS. If that is true explain wet dreams then! |
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2017 2:12:25 GMT
Where's Seeker?
Hmm....I think Seeker's out looking for Triumph the Dog Teacher.
Here's Triumph to help out:
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Post by Bob50 on Nov 10, 2017 6:44:26 GMT
OK, Texas, one more attempt. Try to answer the questions of this kong-an. Kong-ans usually help students to see a straight way to understanding Zen. Emperor Yang Mu Je requested Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa to expound the Diamond Sutra. The Great Teacher climbed onto high rostrum, shook the desk once and then left the rostrum. Emperor Yang Mu Je was astonished. Master Jo Gang asked him, “Does your majesty understand?” The Emperor said, “No, I do not understand.” “The Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa has finished expounding the sutra,” Master Ji Gang said. 1. Why did Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa shake his desk once? 2. Emperor Yang Mu Je said, “I don’t understand.” What does this mean? 3. Master Ji Gang said, “The Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa has finished expounding the sutra.” What does this mean? |
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 10, 2017 12:59:29 GMT
What's the Diamond Sutra?
Let me give this a shot:
1. He was easily fatigued due to sitting on his ass, contemplating life instead of doing his exercise.
2. It means he doesn't know why Bu Dae Sa was acting goofy and it didn't occur to him that the guy was weak from being a lazy ass.
3. It means he's done since the desk move wore his ass out.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2017 14:04:17 GMT
OK, Texas, one more attempt. Try to answer the questions of this kong-an. Kong-ans usually help students to see a straight way to understanding Zen. Emperor Yang Mu Je requested Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa to expound the Diamond Sutra. The Great Teacher climbed onto high rostrum, shook the desk once and then left the rostrum. Emperor Yang Mu Je was astonished. Master Jo Gang asked him, “Does your majesty understand?” The Emperor said, “No, I do not understand.” “The Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa has finished expounding the sutra,” Master Ji Gang said. 1. Why did Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa shake his desk once? 2. Emperor Yang Mu Je said, “I don’t understand.” What does this mean? 3. Master Ji Gang said, “The Great Teacher Bu Dae Sa has finished expounding the sutra.” What does this mean? Bob - Watch a few insights from Triumph the Dog Teacher...the answers are all there. My second answer is the great Mr. Mikey nailed it. |
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Post by Bob50 on Nov 10, 2017 15:16:41 GMT
Texas, You could not give no one right answer to this kong-an although right answers were done in our previous conversation. The test is failed.  We close the theme. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2017 15:37:35 GMT
My oh my Bob. Seriously? You consider yourself a "teacher" and the rest of us "students"? (eg Kong-an is an alleged discussion between a Zen master & pupil for anyone that cares...) Bob, let me act as the teacher my friend. First, giving you a D for your attempt at English: "You could not give no one right answer to this kong-an. The test is failed ." (You have been editted, as Greg Newton would proclaim!) Second, I was 100% correct with my answer because there is no answer if you understand the meaning of Diamond Sutra, Bob. In fact, according to the rules of Diamond Sutra, Triumph works because you're not supposed to be biased in your quest for knowledge. The fact you claim I failed the test indicates your failure in seeking knowledge as Buddha taught one of his monks ... you ain't gonna be no bodhisattva if you keep this up,  ! |
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, but I do not need to check something about the CNS. 
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