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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 21:31:16 GMT
blag........... When you perform an isometric, your are effecting the muscle within a 15 degree range of the hold, so for full muscle development, you perform the same isometric from the bottom, mid, and top positions. This is the thing I do not get, who orginally claimed that you do not get full muscle developement unless you do a 3 point isometric. I know I am not the biggest guy out there or the strongest, but I do not believe that is because I have not held isometrics in 3 positions. How can they prove the theory? Are these the same sort of people who say that you need to have a days rest after working out? I wasn't aware that this is a "theory". I'm not a specialist in the field, nor am I a physiologist, so I can only go by what I've read on numerous websites and what appears to be the conventional wisdom. Most importantly, it makes sense to me so, for testing my strength, I will continue with the 3-point thingy. I really don't think I'm wasting my time.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 21:33:23 GMT
Regardless, his trainees aren't going to make the cover of M&F or Men's Fitness (and except for Whiffet, most of us aren't either...)...they're trying to lose BF while retaining/adding LBM. Oh. Thanks for reminding me. I have a photo shoot with GQ tomorrow morning.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 21:34:54 GMT
Why do people use 3 point isometrics? I know that there is a theory that isometrics only have a certain carry over, but I think that is total BS. The reason why is because when I lift something to a height that I am going to hold it at, the muscles have already been fully engaged. So to me the theory of 3 point isometrics does not hold water. Everyone likes and responds different to different things. I like and feel better when using full range of motion. So 3 point isometrics feels better to me. Plus I use isometrics for a change of pace, to feel good and long holds helps with weight loss without any changes in diet. Someone else may be different. You should experiment with an open mind. Well my isometrics are done at work, Thursday morning I had just finished a job I had been on for the last 5 weeks, after I had screwed an outer frame together, I mastic the bottom, then press in the rubber, trim and add the beading. Then add the profile, mastic, drill the holes and screw it in, remove any mastic showing. Then I lift the frame flip it over and the get the sash to screw in, the frame size is 2930 mm x 930 mm total weight is at least 120 lbs with more weight on one side. To get it off the bench it has to be pressed over head, the is lowered to shoulder height and walked over to the racking. It is the lowered down on one side and leaned against the racking. I was making 8 per day. the isometric part was the 15 seconds or so carrying it over to the racking. Also once or twice a week it has to be loaded on to the lorry, which means turning the frame on its side and I choose to hold it isometrically in one hand at shoulder height to take it to the lorry. Depending on whether I could put it straight on or wait while someone else is putting their frame on, the hold was from about 30 second to 60 seconds.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 21:38:03 GMT
Some further thoughts on my long-duration iso experiment. My muscles really do feel very hard and I am enjoying doing this. It works you and gets you breathing hard, but it's not as taxing as a progressive resistance routine. The one downside is that my muscles are crying out for movement. I have to fight this urge to want to wrap my hands around cold steel and pump iron. I'll just have to stay strong until the end.
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Post by gruntbrain on Nov 5, 2017 21:38:32 GMT
I like Cedric's practice of dynamic isometrics which involves numerous stops(static contractions) .
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 21:56:49 GMT
This is the thing I do not get, who orginally claimed that you do not get full muscle developement unless you do a 3 point isometric. I know I am not the biggest guy out there or the strongest, but I do not believe that is because I have not held isometrics in 3 positions. How can they prove the theory? Are these the same sort of people who say that you need to have a days rest after working out? I wasn't aware that this is a "theory". I'm not a specialist in the field, nor am I a physiologist, so I can only go by what I've read on numerous websites and what appears to be the conventional wisdom. Most importantly, it makes sense to me so, for testing my strength, I will continue with the 3-point thingy. I really don't think I'm wasting my time. But you said yourself In looking over the Sample Isometrics Routine, you’ll notice that many of the exercises share common loops as indicated by their numbers. For example, the Biceps Curl and the Triceps Extensions share the same loops in their 3-point progression. So rather than do the three isometric positions for the curl and then go back and do the three for the triceps extensions, you can just go back and forth between the two exercises using each of their mutual loops. You’ll notice that not all of the exercises are 3-point. For some of them, I felt the 3-point was unneeded or would just be too awkward. You may feel differently. That’s why you experiment with the routine www.sierraexercise.com/Tackett_Strap.pdf
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 5, 2017 22:01:46 GMT
Regardless, his trainees aren't going to make the cover of M&F or Men's Fitness (and except for Whiffet, most of us aren't either...)...they're trying to lose BF while retaining/adding LBM. Oh. Thanks for reminding me. I have a photo shoot with GQ tomorrow morning. You meant target shoot? I'd go for this one and use my 30-06...
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 22:02:21 GMT
Some further thoughts on my long-duration iso experiment. My muscles really do feel very hard and I am enjoying doing this. It works you and gets you breathing hard, but it's not as taxing as a progressive resistance routine. The one downside is that my muscles are crying out for movement. I have to fight this urge to want to wrap my hands around cold steel and pump iron. I'll just have to stay strong until the end. I agree with everything you wrote. That's why I have used 3 point isometrics for a change of pace and I like the long holds when I need to reduce weight. With the yielding isometrics I feel the same way as you about the downside.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 22:13:06 GMT
I wasn't aware that this is a "theory". I'm not a specialist in the field, nor am I a physiologist, so I can only go by what I've read on numerous websites and what appears to be the conventional wisdom. Most importantly, it makes sense to me so, for testing my strength, I will continue with the 3-point thingy. I really don't think I'm wasting my time. But you said yourself In looking over the Sample Isometrics Routine, you’ll notice that many of the exercises share common loops as indicated by their numbers. For example, the Biceps Curl and the Triceps Extensions share the same loops in their 3-point progression. So rather than do the three isometric positions for the curl and then go back and do the three for the triceps extensions, you can just go back and forth between the two exercises using each of their mutual loops. You’ll notice that not all of the exercises are 3-point. For some of them, I felt the 3-point was unneeded or would just be too awkward. You may feel differently. That’s why you experiment with the routine www.sierraexercise.com/Tackett_Strap.pdfIf you were to take a look at my routine, most of the isos I'm doing are not 3-point, and as well as the strap, I am also using my doggy ring and Bullworkers. If I were using my handles with the strap and doing curls and tri-extensions, then yes, I would superset at each position.
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 22:18:41 GMT
Well my isometrics are done at work, Thursday morning I had just finished a job I had been on for the last 5 weeks, after I had screwed an outer frame together, I mastic the bottom, then press in the rubber, trim and add the beading. Then add the profile, mastic, drill the holes and screw it in, remove any mastic showing. Then I lift the frame flip it over and the get the sash to screw in, the frame size is 2930 mm x 930 mm total weight is at least 120 lbs with more weight on one side. To get it off the bench it has to be pressed over head, the is lowered to shoulder height and walked over to the racking. It is the lowered down on one side and leaned against the racking. I was making 8 per day. the isometric part was the 15 seconds or so carrying it over to the racking. Also once or twice a week it has to be loaded on to the lorry, which means turning the frame on its side and I choose to hold it isometrically in one hand at shoulder height to take it to the lorry. Depending on whether I could put it straight on or wait while someone else is putting their frame on, the hold was from about 30 second to 60 seconds. Good stuff Blag! If You don't mind me asking, what are You putting together? Physical work is good but just like everyday life can cause imbalances in my opinion. We tend to favor a certain sides of the body sometimes. No way am I an expert, just I have noticed this with my physical jobs. My job tends for me to need more endurance and to keep my weight down. Sounds like Your job just needs You to do some injury prevention work.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 22:25:59 GMT
Another thing, Blag........I will be testing my strength with a curling bar used for biceps curls and for triceps curls, so I'm using that curling bar for my 3-point biceps curl and triceps curl - 60 second holds at each position. I have my Sierra strap secured at the floor, and I am attaching the curling bar to loops.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 6, 2017 18:25:38 GMT
I just added two Dynamic Isometrics to my routine. I am using my Exergenie set at a resistance I can just budge for biceps curls and triceps pushdowns. I am doing 3-point holds at 60 seconds each.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 6, 2017 19:27:56 GMT
Some further thoughts on my long-duration iso experiment. My muscles really do feel very hard and I am enjoying doing this. It works you and gets you breathing hard, but it's not as taxing as a progressive resistance routine. The one downside is that my muscles are crying out for movement. I have to fight this urge to want to wrap my hands around cold steel and pump iron. I'll just have to stay strong until the end. Beginning to sound like drudgery? What a strong, disciplined effort! You have heard your body, tell you what it wants from you to feel good, but you have firmly and intentionally denied it that satisfaction.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 6, 2017 19:47:40 GMT
Yes, I am in the midst of an experiment and I intend to see it through to the end.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 6, 2017 19:55:09 GMT
Well my isometrics are done at work, Thursday morning I had just finished a job I had been on for the last 5 weeks, after I had screwed an outer frame together, I mastic the bottom, then press in the rubber, trim and add the beading. Then add the profile, mastic, drill the holes and screw it in, remove any mastic showing. Then I lift the frame flip it over and the get the sash to screw in, the frame size is 2930 mm x 930 mm total weight is at least 120 lbs with more weight on one side. To get it off the bench it has to be pressed over head, the is lowered to shoulder height and walked over to the racking. It is the lowered down on one side and leaned against the racking. I was making 8 per day. the isometric part was the 15 seconds or so carrying it over to the racking. Also once or twice a week it has to be loaded on to the lorry, which means turning the frame on its side and I choose to hold it isometrically in one hand at shoulder height to take it to the lorry. Depending on whether I could put it straight on or wait while someone else is putting their frame on, the hold was from about 30 second to 60 seconds. Good stuff Blag! If You don't mind me asking, what are You putting together? Physical work is good but just like everyday life can cause imbalances in my opinion. We tend to favor a certain sides of the body sometimes. No way am I an expert, just I have noticed this with my physical jobs. My job tends for me to need more endurance and to keep my weight down. Sounds like Your job just needs You to do some injury prevention work. Aluminium frames for double glazing windows, as for imbalances the answer for me is no, whatever I do with the left side, I do the same with the right. 120 lbs is not exactly heavy it is 17 lb less than 70 percent of my bodyweight, it is lighter than doing a press up for example which from what I read somewhere is supposed to be 70 percent of your bodyweight. My weights and roles of my job change all the time, if I get things I find to heavy I just ask one or two of my work mates to help out. As for injury prevention, I walk 1.5 miles to work up and down 3 hills so when I get to work my muscles are already warmed up. I walk home from work which is a good cool down, when I am at home I always spend a few minutes each day doing stretching exercises.
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