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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 18:13:49 GMT
Begining Stats, 10/8/17: Weight: 225.4 lbs. Arm: 17 1/2" Forearm: 13 1/2" Week 1 ending - 10/15/17: Timed Hold: 35 seconds - Weight: 220 lbs. Week 2 ending - 10/22/17: Timed Hold: 45 seconds - Weight: 223.4 lbs. - Arm: 17 1/2" - Forearm: 13 1/2" Week 3 ending - 10/29/17: Timed Hold: 60 seconds - Weight: 222.6 lbs. Week 4 ending - 11/05/17: Timed Hold: 60 seconds - Weight: 219.8 lbs. - Arm: 17 1/4" - Forearm: 13 1/4" For anyone interested in the details of my routine: Bruce Tackett's Log
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 19:19:51 GMT
Begining Stats, 10/8/17: Weight: 225.4 lbs. Arm: 17 1/2" Forearm: 13 1/2" Week 1 ending - 10/15/17: Timed Hold: 35 seconds - Weight: 220 lbs. Week 2 ending - 10/22/17: Timed Hold: 45 seconds - Weight: 223.4 lbs. - Arm: 17 1/2" - Forearm: 13 1/2" Week 3 ending - 10/29/17: Timed Hold: 60 seconds - Weight: 222.6 lbs. Week 4 ending - 11/05/17: Timed Hold: 60 seconds - Weight: 219.8 lbs. - Arm: 17 1/4" - Forearm: 13 1/4" For anyone interested in the details of my routine: Bruce Tackett's Log Bruce what I'm seeing is the same experience I've had with long holds, weight loss. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think this is a really good thing. Did you take a measurement of your waist? I ran into one challenge with the yielding isometrics that I never had with 3 point isometrics. It caused a kink in the back of my shoulders. So now I've been doing a light set of 10 reps after each isometric exercise. This has helped alot. First time doing yielding isometrics so I'm not sure why this happened.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 19:30:06 GMT
My weight loss is due to a combination of morning aerobics and isometrics. I'm using arm measurements to determine the effectiveness of this program because your arms fluctuate in size the most depending upon what type of exercising you're doing, so it's a good bench mark to use.
I've never had any problems with muscles or nerves pinching through yielding isometrics, so I don't know how to advise you.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 19:31:44 GMT
BTW, Jackie, I've sent you a PM
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 20:20:11 GMT
Bruce I'm so use to full range exercise and always using 3 point isometrics when doing isometrics. I'm good now. I think I may go one or two weeks more on this. My results have been an inch lose around the waist and quarter inch on the arms.
I think gain on the arms doesn't mean much because I haven't work them directly in a good long while.
Question, what are your thoughts on your results so far? I know You mentioned arms as a marker. You lost a quarter inch of size right? This is not bad in my eyes. If your arms are tighter and look more defined I think is great. What are your thoughts?
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 20:27:20 GMT
One thing that proves is that someone who is natural, cannot maintain the same mass, while losing weight.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 20:34:22 GMT
Bruce I'm so use to full range exercise and always using 3 point isometrics when doing isometrics. I'm good now. I think I may go one or two weeks more on this. My results have been an inch lose around the waist and quarter inch on the arms. I think gain on the arms doesn't mean much because I haven't work them directly in a good long while. Question, what are your thoughts on your results so far? I know You mentioned arms as a marker. You lost a quarter inch of size right? This is not bad in my eyes. If your arms are tighter and look more defined I think is great. What are your thoughts? Why do people use 3 point isometrics? I know that there is a theory that isometrics only have a certain carry over, but I think that is total BS. The reason why is because when I lift something to a height that I am going to hold it at, the muscles have already been fully engaged. So to me the theory of 3 point isometrics does not hold water.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 20:37:48 GMT
blag...........
When you perform an isometric, your are effecting the muscle within a 15 degree range of the hold, so for full muscle development, you perform the same isometric from the bottom, mid, and top positions.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 20:46:23 GMT
Bruce I'm so use to full range exercise and always using 3 point isometrics when doing isometrics. I'm good now. I think I may go one or two weeks more on this. My results have been an inch lose around the waist and quarter inch on the arms. I think gain on the arms doesn't mean much because I haven't work them directly in a good long while. Question, what are your thoughts on your results so far? I know You mentioned arms as a marker. You lost a quarter inch of size right? This is not bad in my eyes. If your arms are tighter and look more defined I think is great. What are your thoughts? A loss in arm size was to be expected. I had gone into this directly off of a bodyweight/progressive resistance routine, so I was pumped to begin with. Isometrics don't pump as full range ROM's do, so my pumpiness is dissipating. I will say that my muscles feel very hard doing this routine. I'm going to see this thing through for the full 12 weeks whatever the outcome. The big revelation will be testing my strength at the end of this. I'm not concerned about size. It's winter anyway and you're always wearing a sweatshirt or a coat, so it doesn't matter. If I decide to, I'll have plenty of time to get jacked up again before Spring.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 20:59:54 GMT
blag........... When you perform an isometric, your are effecting the muscle within a 15 degree range of the hold, so for full muscle development, you perform the same isometric from the bottom, mid, and top positions. This is the thing I do not get, who orginally claimed that you do not get full muscle developement unless you do a 3 point isometric. I know I am not the biggest guy out there or the strongest, but I do not believe that is because I have not held isometrics in 3 positions. How can they prove the theory? Are these the same sort of people who say that you need to have a days rest after working out?
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 5, 2017 21:00:26 GMT
One thing that proves is that someone who is natural, cannot maintain the same mass, while losing weight. If you're talking mass as measure of total "size", 100% correct. But even the juicers lose size when cutting bodyfat -- you lose that layer of fat in your skin and intra-muscular fat and you're going to lose "mass". One of the bb'ing stars even mentioned he loses between 1/2 - 3/4" when he's leaning out; look at Clarence Bass' photos when he's lean vs. carrying more BF. Speaking for myself, I went on a strict SuperSlow workout program around 15 years ago. The gym owner took my bodyfat measurements and recorded my workouts, etc., during a 4 - 5 week window. No aerobics (eg endurance running, cycling) were allowed, however, walking was allowed and encouraged. He also asked me to stay on my current eating regime (note: I was traveling and typically I will *try* to eat better on the road to save $$$ since companies provide a tight / small per diem and eating out gets expensive--and you don't want to eat the free stuff at the hotel breakfast bars which is typically donuts, pancakes, scrambled eggs or bagels. So, I'll either find someplace for egg whites, fruit ($$$), or, go to a grocery store to buy supplies. Now, this is off the top of my head, but, I know I dropped almost 2% bodyfat and improved around 17%, overall, in my SS lifts. At the same time, I also gained around 3lbs in muscle. And my workouts consisted of one set of five exercises, done twice a week around 12 min/session. Clothes did fit better, looser in the arms, chest, but, shoulders were still snug. Ellington Darden has recorded/documented even more prolific results with people who've followed his (strict) diet/training programs, with people adding up to 8lbs of LBM and losing up to 4 inches off of their waist in six weeks.
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 21:05:40 GMT
Bruce I'm so use to full range exercise and always using 3 point isometrics when doing isometrics. I'm good now. I think I may go one or two weeks more on this. My results have been an inch lose around the waist and quarter inch on the arms. I think gain on the arms doesn't mean much because I haven't work them directly in a good long while. Question, what are your thoughts on your results so far? I know You mentioned arms as a marker. You lost a quarter inch of size right? This is not bad in my eyes. If your arms are tighter and look more defined I think is great. What are your thoughts? Why do people use 3 point isometrics? I know that there is a theory that isometrics only have a certain carry over, but I think that is total BS. The reason why is because when I lift something to a height that I am going to hold it at, the muscles have already been fully engaged. So to me the theory of 3 point isometrics does not hold water. Everyone likes and responds different to different things. I like and feel better when using full range of motion. So 3 point isometrics feels better to me. Plus I use isometrics for a change of pace, to feel good and long holds helps with weight loss without any changes in diet. Someone else may be different. You should experiment with an open mind.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 21:05:41 GMT
One thing that proves is that someone who is natural, cannot maintain the same mass, while losing weight. Ellington Darden has recorded/documented even more prolific results with people who've followed his (strict) diet/training programs, with people adding up to 8lbs of LBM and losing up to 4 inches off of their waist in six weeks. I have seen the Dardens before and after pictures on his site and I was underwhelmed.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 5, 2017 21:12:28 GMT
blag........... When you perform an isometric, your are effecting the muscle within a 15 degree range of the hold, so for full muscle development, you perform the same isometric from the bottom, mid, and top positions. This is the thing I do not get, who orginally claimed that you do not get full muscle developement unless you do a 3 point isometric. I know I am not the biggest guy out there or the strongest, but I do not believe that is because I have not held isometrics in 3 positions. How can they prove the theory? Are these the same sort of people who say that you need to have a days rest after working out? Blaq - Funny you brought this up. I was looking for studies on isotonic vs. isometric results this morning after a post by a certain diminutive self-proclaimed guru regarding isometrics build off the charts strength...at least three or four of the studies stated that isometrics do work the full muscle. This makes 100% sense to me, even though I've also read the 3-position claims Bruce mentions and trusted them as well. If you think about it, a muscle is either contracted or it isn't. So, if you're applying resistance to your biceps, for example, your biceps are going to contract. I've never read where the nervous system segmentizes a muscle and says 'we're going to fire up this part but not that part' (if that makes sense). I'm with ya brotha on this one...
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 5, 2017 21:15:29 GMT
Ellington Darden has recorded/documented even more prolific results with people who've followed his (strict) diet/training programs, with people adding up to 8lbs of LBM and losing up to 4 inches off of their waist in six weeks. I have seen the Dardens before and after pictures on his site and I was underwhelmed. You mean some of the knuckleheads on his board? Assuming you haven't seen the before/after photos in his books. Regardless, his trainees aren't going to make the cover of M&F or Men's Fitness (and except for Whiffet, most of us aren't either...)...they're trying to lose BF while retaining/adding LBM.
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