Weider did mess up a lot of people

[stormshadow]

www.t-nation.com/opinion/tip-joe-weider-killed-my-gains

Bruce poor schlubs in Kansas mentioned too

[Boo Hoo]

This bastard playing the victim was an adult making his own life choices. To blame Weider for him purposely missing funerals and weddings is insane. If what Weider said wasn't working and/or causing pain and injuries ~ he should have put on his big boy pants -- access the situation -- change course and move the f_ck on.

[josepz]

May 9, 2019 4:07:29 GMT Boo Hoo said:

This bastard playing the victim was an adult making his own life choices. To blame Weider for him purposely missing funerals and weddings is insane. If what Weider said wasn't working and/or causing pain and injuries ~ he should have put on his big boy pants -- access the situation -- change course and move the f_ck on.

Very true. That article is a crybaby's tantrum.
However, I agree with him that Weider was a bastard that intentionally misinformed thousands of people and pushed lots of useless products and supplements for his own ( and his brother's) financial gain.

[Bruce Tackett]

Weider held me back, too - not in Kansas, though. Back when I was a skinny young guy and wanted to build myself up, I believed, from reading the muscle mags, that the only way to build myself up was via the 6-day, two hour workouts. Every now and then I'd join a gym and resolve to forsake all else until I had started making the gains I wanted. Invariably, after 2 or 3 weeks of killing myself, I'd give up.

I was almost 30 when I discovered that simply doing pushups in a park and chinups on a tree during my work breaks was adding size faster than I thought possible.

[stormshadow]

That is very well said. I followed Arnold's Education of a Bodybuilder to the letter. For three years. I made solid progress despite overtraining, but thought I was a slacker because I did not look like him. I did better when I followed the York courses that came with my Big 12 Aristocrat set. That was before my Arnold days training.

[gruntbrain]

At least the free browsing of the Weider mags contained a few diamonds in the rough - e.g. Clarence Bass articles

[Bruce Tackett]

I specifically remember an ad in a Weider magazine pushing some supplement that featured Larry Scott saying, "This helps get me through those rugged 3 hour workouts". I thought, that's what it takes. Fortunately, I didn't have the fortitude to carry through on this, otherwise I might have ended up like a lot of guys who wasted years of their lives. In recent years I learned that Larry Scott's workouts lasted just over an hour.

You might call the author of that article a whiner, but he has a point. It's like getting caught up in a cult.

[Mr Average]

I must be different, because I got bigger and stronger working out over a period of 2 hours a day, 6 days a week. The reason I stopped after 6 months was boredom, I spent more time resting between sets than actually working out. I agree that the guy in that article is an idiot, but then most people who catch STD's blame it on the person they shagged and not the fact that they did not insist on safe sex in the first place.

[Bruce Tackett]

May 9, 2019 22:57:54 GMT Mr Average said:

I must be different

Really?

[Bruce Tackett]

May 9, 2019 22:57:54 GMT Mr Average said:

I must be different, because I got bigger and stronger working out over a period of 2 hours a day, 6 days a week. The reason I stopped after 6 months was boredom, I spent more time resting between sets than actually working out. I agree that the guy in that article is an idiot, but then most people who catch STD's blame it on the person they shagged and not the fact that they did not insist on safe sex in the first place.

Of course working out 2 hours a day, 6 days a week will produce results. The point is, you don't have to spend nearly that much time to obtain results from working out, as Weider had led the naive to believe.

[Michael]

At least You learned from Your mistakes, I think.

[Bruce Tackett]

Yes, I did learn from my mistakes, and it's nice to hear you say that you think.

[Michael]

If I would have listened to my Grandfather I would have done a lot more thinking and a lot less using my back. But I didn't learn from my mistakes, . The Weider magazine was Muscle & Fitness, right? Did he have others? When I first got into training that was the magazine I stupidly followed. I got some gains but nothing to write home about. Spent money on dumb stuff because I didn't know any better.

[Mr Average]

May 9, 2019 23:04:23 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

May 9, 2019 22:57:54 GMT Mr Average said:

I must be different, because I got bigger and stronger working out over a period of 2 hours a day, 6 days a week. The reason I stopped after 6 months was boredom, I spent more time resting between sets than actually working out. I agree that the guy in that article is an idiot, but then most people who catch STD's blame it on the person they shagged and not the fact that they did not insist on safe sex in the first place.

Of course working out 2 hours a day, 6 days a week will produce results. The point is, you don't have to spend nearly that much time to obtain results from working out, as Weider had led the naive to believe.

Some of the biggest and strongest guys, I have worked with never worked out, for example one guy I once worked with was 6' 4" and weighed a 140 kilos and could push and stop 3 tonne unladen lorry, by himself. He would strap 10, 250 kilo cages on wheels together and be able to move them around under his own steam. The funny thing was is that this guy used to ride to work on a little 50cc moped.