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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 19, 2019 14:37:13 GMT
I would go for impact over cutting or stabbing. If you can land a hard, quick kick to the dog's mouth area, that's usually enough to discourage them. I've done it a number of times and haven't yet had one come back for more - as long as I kick hard enough, quick enough and accurately, plus I don't stop kicking until they back off. I've been successful with big dogs, like German Shepherds and such. In fact, the small dogs seem tougher targets, since they're tiny and move more quickly. Won't hurt to have the knife along anyway though - or a baton/ball bat.
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Post by justregularguy on Mar 19, 2019 14:46:01 GMT
I would go for impact over cutting or stabbing. If you can land a hard, quick kick to the dog's mouth area, that's usually enough to discourage them. I've done it a number of times and haven't yet had one come back for more - as long as I kick hard enough, quick enough and accurately, plus I don't stop kicking until they back off. I've been successful with big dogs, like German Shepherds and such. In fact, the small dogs seem tougher targets, since they're tiny and move more quickly. Won't hurt to have the knife along anyway though - or a baton/ball bat. How did this happen? Your negative encounters with dogs I mean? Were you on a run?
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Post by Billfish's Mother on Mar 19, 2019 16:59:56 GMT
A can of streaming wasp/hornet spray will deter most animals (humans too).
I don't know your laws, but where I live running with a knife in your hand is suspicious behavior, and concealing it would be a crime.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 19, 2019 18:49:46 GMT
How did this happen? Your negative encounters with dogs I mean? Were you on a run? When I first used this, I was on my bike, delivering newspapers. My dad recommended it. He told me to wait until they were right by my foot. Jogging makes being quick enough more challenging.
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Post by billfish on Mar 19, 2019 20:24:13 GMT
A water spray bottle works well too.....as a fireman I've used the water fire extinguisher to spray dogs in the face to back them into a room and close the door They don't like water in the face I even used a spray bottle to train my big Doberman to stop jumping over the fence....it worked great ! You could carry a stick instead as I used to do.....if the dog goes for you push the stick at him and he will go for it instead of you
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Post by stormshadow on Mar 19, 2019 20:29:37 GMT
Glad you are OK JRG. I know how scary that is. I was about ten years old delivering newspapers in Erie PA in about three feet of fresh snow. Erie is on Lake Erie and gets the same lake effect snow that Cleveland and Buffalo gets. Last year Erie set a record at about 200 inches of snow or something like that. It is literally the great white North during the winter. It was about 5 AM on a Saturday and I was delivering papers to these two unit apartments at the edge of secluded snowy field.
A very attractive lady cop owned a large Doberman. Imagine what I thought when I was about 100 yards from the house and this Doberman is flying over the snow at max speed right at me. I started to back up slowly but it just kept coming. I started to run backwards and just as it got to me I started to fall backwards (I had a heavy sack full of papers on my shoulder) on the snow. I thought I was a goner. As what I thought was a last resort, I managed to kick it right underneath the throat neck area as hard as I could as I crashed onto my back. I remember my Dad telling me that wolfs and mountain lions go for the throat so I was going to at least try to defend that area if it started biting me as I lay on my back.
I had really bulky snow boots on with super thick soles. It actually lifted the dog up in the air. It started gagging and shaking its head back and forth and then the owner managed to come around to the front of the house just at that same time. She was going to work early and let the dog off its leash to take care of its business and as luck would have it, I was there at the same time. For some reason, it preferred tearing after me as opposed to taking a shit. She apologized profusely and she was really nice about it. About a month later I saw her and she said one of her dog's canines was broken in half and it might have happened then, although she was not sure. Either way she did not fault me. And it gave me some satisfaction (and street cred among us urchins) knowing I might have broken his fucking tooth.
I think pepper spray or the hornet spray mentioned are great ideas. I also agree that blunt trauma instrument better than cutting like the Spudster said.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:41 GMT
A water spray bottle works well too.....as a fireman I've used the water fire extinguisher to spray dogs in the face to back them into a room and close the door They don't like water in the face I even used a spray bottle to train my big Doberman to stop jumping over the fence....it worked great ! You could carry a stick instead as I used to do.....if the dog goes for you push the stick at him and he will go for it instead of you Those are good ones. Reminds me about using ammonia & water in a pistol-grip sprayer. Done that too.
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Post by mrdave100 on Mar 19, 2019 21:58:02 GMT
A guy I know used to carry a water pistol with vinegar in it.
My 165lb Newfie will attest to the fact that dogs do not vinegar.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 19, 2019 23:19:57 GMT
If attacked by a big dog, I wouldn't want to depend upon kicking skills, I'd want a big stick. I think that clubbing it with something would be the most practical defense. In fact, I once took a walk on a beautiful Spring day along a winding, wooded road. I was grooving on the natureness of it all when I began to notice that I was all alone out there. There were a few houses scattered off in the distance, and I began thinking, what if a dog shows up? So, I looked around in the wooded area and found a nice hefty stick and carried it with me for the rest of my walk.
I was keen on this because I was once bitten by a dog. When I was in my early twenties I was on a survey crew and we were surveying a farm. I went back by myself to the farm house where our truck was parked to get some equipment. Suddenly dogs came rushing out from everywhere - from under the house, from around the barn. I don't remember how many - a half dozen, or so. They encircled me with their teeth bared and hackles raised, growling. I was about twenty feet from the truck where lay bull pins and machetes on the tail gate. I was trying to decide whether to make a run for it to the truck when a dog jumped up from behind and bit me on the back of my leg. At that moment, someone on a tractor out in the field saw what was happening, and he stood up and shouted something, and all the dogs scattered. There was blood running down my jeans and I was taken to a hospital by the survey crew. When we returned the next day, the dogs were all chained up. This farmer said to me, "Yeah, you gotta watch that dalmatian (the one that bit me). He's a mean one." No shit. For years I had four purple marks on the back of my leg, but they eventually faded away.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Mar 19, 2019 23:35:29 GMT
In the book Dynastride which was a basic walking for health book authored by Elaine Lalane (Jack Lalane's wife) and written in their later years. They advocated carrying a car radio antenna for defense against animal or human aggressors. Of course the book was written back in the day when most automobiles had telescoping external antennas rather than in the windshield glass. Also when it was considered totally reasonable to defend yourself.
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Post by fredhutch on Mar 20, 2019 16:26:28 GMT
There are hand-held ultrasonic dog repellers on the market, if I felt the need I would get one. I have no compunctions about killing man or beast, but if you get physical with a dog, you might find you have a new and worse problem--the owner. Most dog folks love their dogs more than their kids, if you hurt the dog, even if the owner has been an irresponsible asshole, they just might come at you madder than hell and crush your skull with a rock. Honestly can't say I would blame them either--if you hurt my dog I'd kill you for sure. Hurt a dog and you could unleash a cycle of violence, the outcome of which you can't foresee...and like Tim Larkin says, three days from now when you're sitting in a jail cell (or dead), will it all seem worth it?
Of course if you're in a combat zone, or on official police or military duty, or you're attacked by a dog with no owner present, you can go all Conan if you want to. If you insist on carrying weapons, two feet of medium heavy chain can be carried draped around your neck, and it makes for a fast and powerful weapon, once you get used to it. Or run with HeavyHands weights, you'll make your workout more productive and you have a cast iron yawara stick in each hand all ready to go.
Think it through before you act.
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Post by JRG too lazy to login on Mar 20, 2019 16:33:49 GMT
A can of streaming wasp/hornet spray will deter most animals (humans too). I don't know your laws, but where I live running with a knife in your hand is suspicious behavior, and concealing it would be a crime. No I carry it in my pocket. It's legal to carry knifes here because it's viewed more as a tool than a weapon. Of course I don't run around with a knife in my hand thaz would be weird. It's in my pocket just in case
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Post by fredhutch on Mar 20, 2019 16:40:08 GMT
Any knife you can carry in your pocket isn't big enough to seriously injure a dog, unless you are so lucky that you can stab it in the eye or in the throat, and lots of luck with that.
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Post by JRG on Mar 20, 2019 16:57:00 GMT
Glad you are OK JRG. I know how scary that is. I was about ten years old delivering newspapers in Erie PA in about three feet of fresh snow. Erie is on Lake Erie and gets the same lake effect snow that Cleveland and Buffalo gets. Last year Erie set a record at about 200 inches of snow or something like that. It is literally the great white North during the winter. It was about 5 AM on a Saturday and I was delivering papers to these two unit apartments at the edge of secluded snowy field. A very attractive lady cop owned a large Doberman. Imagine what I thought when I was about 100 yards from the house and this Doberman is flying over the snow at max speed right at me. I started to back up slowly but it just kept coming. I started to run backwards and just as it got to me I started to fall backwards (I had a heavy sack full of papers on my shoulder) on the snow. I thought I was a goner. As what I thought was a last resort, I managed to kick it right underneath the throat neck area as hard as I could as I crashed onto my back. I remember my Dad telling me that wolfs and mountain lions go for the throat so I was going to at least try to defend that area if it started biting me as I lay on my back. I had really bulky snow boots on with super thick soles. It actually lifted the dog up in the air. It started gagging and shaking its head back and forth and then the owner managed to come around to the front of the house just at that same time. She was going to work early and let the dog off its leash to take care of its business and as luck would have it, I was there at the same time. For some reason, it preferred tearing after me as opposed to taking a shit. She apologized profusely and she was really nice about it. About a month later I saw her and she said one of her dog's canines was broken in half and it might have happened then, although she was not sure. Either way she did not fault me. And it gave me some satisfaction (and street cred among us urchins) knowing I might have broken his fucking tooth. I think pepper spray or the hornet spray mentioned are great ideas. I also agree that blunt trauma instrument better than cutting like the Spudster said. How typical! A woman with a big ass dog that doesn't listen to her! Unreal! These people should be sued
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Post by billfish on Mar 20, 2019 20:24:10 GMT
I love dogs but I also respect them.... In my Fireman days i worked in some of NYCs highest crime neighborhoods and when we had to go up on a roof, always banged on the roof door to alert any dogs on the roof....also checked for dog shit when we carefully opened the door. The drug dealers would put some mean Pit Bulls on the rooftops and you didn't want to be taken by surprise Have also been nose to nose with some really big dogs in fires while crawling in.....smoke makes them docile and all they want is out. Always felt bad when we discovered dead dogs in fires.....they are helpless The FDNY training manuals had a section on dealing with dogs and it was quite informative, especially about security dogs at businesses. They warned against hurting a dog unless it was absolutely necessary as a wounded dog can become extremely dangerous . That's where I learned about using a stick, the dog will go for it rather than your body, giving you a chance to hold him off or beat him if necessary
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