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Post by trog on Mar 19, 2019 9:49:53 GMT
No chance! However last night three of us regulars were fooling about after our workouts, and we were holding on to to the bar with one hand and holding the wrist with the other arm. It's not really a one handed chip up, but I managed two with the right hand and 3/4 of one with the left. Does anyone know how close this would be to a proper one arm chin up? I think next time I'm in the gym, I'm going to try using the chin up machine, where you take weight off by kneeling on the platform, and see how much weight I need on the counterbalance.
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Post by Michael on Mar 19, 2019 10:47:17 GMT
I don't know the answer to how close this would be to a proper one arm chin. At one time I tried to progress to one. The way I did it was use a bath towel over the pull-up bar. One hand would be holding the bar, the other the bath towel. The higher up You hold onto the bath towel the easier it is and holding lower gets harder. Also if You find it's hard to hold onto the bath towel You can twist it.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 19, 2019 11:58:55 GMT
Timed one handed hanging is challenging enough and arguably is healthful
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Post by DrunkenMonkey on Mar 19, 2019 17:42:16 GMT
It's not very close. Depending on where you were holding on to the wrist makes some difference (ie. lower down on the arm is closer to a one-armed chin-up).
Grabbing the wrist with one hand is basically only working the grip strength of the hand on the bar. You're still using too much of the other arm/lat to get the pull-up.
For reference, I can probably do 12-15 chin-ups with hand hand grabbing the other wrist, and I'm not close to one-armed chin.
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Post by trog on Mar 20, 2019 10:02:31 GMT
Timed one handed hanging is challenging enough and arguably is healthful I used to do these about 20 years ago. Maybe I'll go back to doing them. From memory, we used to do a minute. I certainly couldn't do that long now. My grip has gotten weaker and just doesn't want to improve, despite constant training.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Mar 20, 2019 14:21:57 GMT
Probably the closest way to tell is to get to a gym with a lat pull station, fix a 1 arm handle to it and pull. Granted the "weight" indicators on these aren't always right on, but it will give you a numerical point that you can track your progress agains.
Do 1 or 2 one arm negatives on the day you work lats. That will be very specific to the movement and is a quick way to gain strength but use them sparingly.
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Post by fredhutch on Mar 20, 2019 16:36:45 GMT
Never made it to a one arm chin although I was close a few times before life intervened. For what it's worth, David Willoughby, who was fond of tabulating strength stunts, said that a one-arm chin was "equivalent" to 22 reps of two hand chins. Don't know how he arrived at that, maybe he asked guys who could do one-arm chins how many regular chins they could do? In any case, I don't think he meant that if you could do the 22 that you would automatically be able to do a one-arm, but rather you had the potential with specific training. That is, the normal hand-on-wrist progression might work for you better if at the same time you worked to get your reps up on normal chins. All of this is just speculation on my part since like I said I never made it, but it might help.
And talk about speculation, ant-man has a book on how to do one-arm chins, but admits he can't do it himself....some chutzpah there, eh? Like Elton John singing about having a girlfriend, what the fuck does he know?
I can say with near certainty that doing one arm lat pulldowns and such is not going to help. My own experience when becoming able to do regular chins, and stuff I've read, tells me that there is no carryover from lat pulldowns to chin-ups on a bar...the reason is your nervous system regards these as two completely different things, when you're hanging by your hands completely different nerve hookups are at work than when you're sitting on your behind. I would be willing to bet my car that all work for one arms has to be hanging on the bar in some way.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 20, 2019 20:50:41 GMT
Full bodyweight one hand hangs result in an extreme shoulder stretch. Proceed cautiously by offloading some of your bodyweight .
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Post by chanduthemagician on Mar 21, 2019 2:00:18 GMT
And talk about speculation, ant-man has a book on how to do one-arm chins, but admits he can't do it himself....some chutzpah there, eh? Like Elton John singing about having a girlfriend, what the fuck does he know? Isn't antman the dumbass with the face book photos of him "hanging" from a power rack? I'd say any advice from him is suspect at best. Oh, and what I said above on the negs, is a negative 1 arm chin, not done on the lat pull. The work on the lat pull was just to get a quantity as to what you can actually pull with 1 arm.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 7:53:14 GMT
I tried training for one around 4 years ago. I was getting too much tendon discomfort around the elbow and stopped. Never did one.
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Post by fredhutch on Mar 24, 2019 16:33:38 GMT
I think the best way to master a stunt is by doing as close an approximation to it as you can, albeit with less resistance at first. If doing a one arm chin was a major life goal, I would set up some kind of counterweight system with pulleys and a belt around my upper body, with a weight stack, then it would be possible to do an "almost" one arm chin with the weight assistance....and at least in theory you could gradually use less and less weight on the pulley until you were using your whole bodyweight. I got this idea from Garin Bader who shows in his Core Force Energy course how to do handstand pushups if you're not strong enough, he hooks his legs over a lat pulldown bar for counterweight. I wouldn't use bands as some do for chin ups since they only help at the bottom and what you need is help at the top most of all.
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Post by trog on Mar 25, 2019 11:25:51 GMT
I wouldn't use bands as some do for chin ups since they only help at the bottom and what you need is help at the top most of all. Ive always found the bottom part of the chin up or pull up the most difficult. At the top as I do more, they get lower as I can't get my scapula together as the muscles fatigue.
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Post by justregularguy on Mar 25, 2019 14:01:52 GMT
Don't have anything to contribute to the topic but damn a one handed chin-up is one of the most impressive feats of strength. You do that, people will be impressed. Only thing that could possibly top that are handstand pushups. Hopefully I can do either of them one day.
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Post by stormshadow on Mar 29, 2019 2:34:29 GMT
This is my favorite discussion of them www.alkavadlo.com/body-weight-exercises/one-arm-pull-ups-and-one-arm-chin-ups/ I did three with my right hand and two with my left when I was fifteen and weighed 175. Never did them again and cannot do now even if I wanted to. I used to do sets of pullups and chins totalling 100 a day over the course of the day. I saw movie where guy was doing one hand pushups and thought of doing them because of that.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Mar 30, 2019 3:05:33 GMT
This is my favorite discussion of them www.alkavadlo.com/body-weight-exercises/one-arm-pull-ups-and-one-arm-chin-ups/ I did three with my right hand and two with my left when I was fifteen and weighed 175. Never did them again and cannot do now even if I wanted to. I used to do sets of pullups and chins totalling 100 a day over the course of the day. I saw movie where guy was doing one hand pushups and thought of doing them because of that. Good article. This is a definite goal of mine. Tonight I did some 1 arm negs, but I'm not sure I will do a traditional 1 arm pull up or if I'm going to take a neutral grip, wherein my body faces the length of the bar. That's how I've been doing the negs. I will definitely incorporate some of Al's stuff though.
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