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Post by macky on Mar 21, 2019 20:18:00 GMT
Move it or lose it, the body is meant to move! Also, folks with high blood pressure should not do isometrics. May I ask, Why ?
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Post by Mr Average on Mar 21, 2019 22:57:14 GMT
Move it or lose it, the body is meant to move! Also, folks with high blood pressure should not do isometrics. Lose what exactly?
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Post by golden on Mar 21, 2019 23:20:50 GMT
It means that if you don't continue to practice or use an ability, you might lose the ability. For example, if a person doesn't exercise his or her physical body, he or she will likely lose strength, endurance, and stamina. Similarly, if a person doesn't practice a new skill, such as driving a car or speaking a foreign language, he or she may forget or lose that skill. The same is true for the ability to learn and remember new information, do well with problem-solving, etc. Practicing, that is "using" these abilities helps improve them. Not using them often leads to less ability. Doing isometrics doesn't allow movement, only holding an exercise in one position for a set amount of time, in one position, not having any range of movement of the muscle involved. School is out now for the day, so I hope you all paid attention. Isometrics raises the blood pressure more than other forms of exercise, because you are exerting maximum pressure for ten seconds or so, and this spikes the blood pressure rapidly. If you don't have hypertension, no worries, if you do, exercise caution with isometrics. Ding dong, school is now dismissed for the day.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 21, 2019 23:43:14 GMT
You get an "F" in diplomacy.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 22, 2019 0:01:17 GMT
It means that if you don't continue to practice or use an ability, you might lose the ability. For example, if a person doesn't exercise his or her physical body, he or she will likely lose strength, endurance, and stamina. Similarly, if a person doesn't practice a new skill, such as driving a car or speaking a foreign language, he or she may forget or lose that skill. The same is true for the ability to learn and remember new information, do well with problem-solving, etc. Practicing, that is "using" these abilities helps improve them. Not using them often leads to less ability. Doing isometrics doesn't allow movement, only holding an exercise in one position for a set amount of time, in one position, not having any range of movement of the muscle involved. School is out now for the day, so I hope you all paid attention. Isometrics raises the blood pressure more than other forms of exercise, because you are exerting maximum pressure for ten seconds or so, and this spikes the blood pressure rapidly. If you don't have hypertension, no worries, if you do, exercise caution with isometrics. Ding dong, school is now dismissed for the day. Forgot to mention, you also get an "F" in Writing Comp.
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Post by macky on Mar 22, 2019 6:30:28 GMT
There well may be a spike in blood pressure during an isometric hold, as you say golden, but there is enough evidence now that as long as the blood pressure returns to normal afterwards, tests have shown that normal blood pressure has actually improved a bit in several cases from isometrics.
The key is in the breathing. If you're going to hold your breath as recommended in Bruce Tegner's course in isometrics, you're in for trouble. I speculated some years ago that that sort of thing may have been the cause of his early death from heart attack at 56-57.
Similarly, taking a deep breath and forcing it out with a hiss etc is nearly as bad.
Keeping the breath low and even is the best way (I found) to breath during max and sub-max holds. The concentration should be on the muscles being used and not to be interfered with head busting retention of breath or forced chest-puffing hisses in the back room.
I have been on a mild high blood pressure med since 1994. That has never changed, nor the dosage (10mg single tab, once a day)
There have been long periods over the last 5-6 years when I've done nothing but isometrics for exercise, sometimes nearly a whole year in one hit, and the BP is no better or worse for it.
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Post by Michael on Mar 22, 2019 9:25:02 GMT
I agree with Macky with the breathing part of isometrics. If You breath like what has been recommended by most Gurus most are asking for trouble. I've never had high blood pressure, which I have checked at home myself often. During my longer isometric experiments my blood pressure actually went down.
For me it's all in the way You breath during them as Macky stated. I just breath normal which gives me better results. The movement thing I think depends on each individual. We're all wired differently. Someone like Macky can do isometrics forever. I don't think there is anything wrong with just doing isometrics. I think for someone like me it's more mental as in boredom after a while.
I'm actually doing an isometric only protocol for my wrist for rehab which is working pretty good. Actually got the idea from Mikey even though I'm not doing the same protocol as the door press he mentions.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 22, 2019 14:29:12 GMT
I find it's difficult to breathe normally when doing max contraction isometrics especially the yielding ones . Rapid exhalations seem to naturally occur.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 22, 2019 19:33:16 GMT
........ Keeping the breath low and even is the best way (I found) to breath during max and sub-max holds. The concentration should be on the muscles being used and not to be interfered with head busting retention of breath or forced chest-puffing hisses in the back room. ...... I think this makes compete sense. I do holds and just allow breath to flow in and out as it will, which I've noticed is rather shallow and "soft"(?) without intentionally interfering with what is comfortably happening. When I first start to feel huffing and puffing is imminent, I release the hold. Absolutely NO breath retention or force out and certainly no restriction or holding the breath.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 22, 2019 20:23:48 GMT
This just in: Isometrics cures depression!
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Post by Billfish's Mother on Mar 22, 2019 20:32:00 GMT
Isometrics and a Centrum Silver a day will keep the doctor away.
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Post by Mr Average on Mar 22, 2019 20:39:08 GMT
It means that if you don't continue to practice or use an ability, you might lose the ability. For example, if a person doesn't exercise his or her physical body, he or she will likely lose strength, endurance, and stamina. Similarly, if a person doesn't practice a new skill, such as driving a car or speaking a foreign language, he or she may forget or lose that skill. The same is true for the ability to learn and remember new information, do well with problem-solving, etc. Practicing, that is "using" these abilities helps improve them. Not using them often leads to less ability. Doing isometrics doesn't allow movement, only holding an exercise in one position for a set amount of time, in one position, not having any range of movement of the muscle involved. School is out now for the day, so I hope you all paid attention. Isometrics raises the blood pressure more than other forms of exercise, because you are exerting maximum pressure for ten seconds or so, and this spikes the blood pressure rapidly. If you don't have hypertension, no worries, if you do, exercise caution with isometrics. Ding dong, school is now dismissed for the day. So by your definition, because I have never done a deadlift in my life, I do not have the ability pick up an object that is in front of my feet. I will not have the ability to be able to run if I needed to, because I choose to walk from point a to point b instead of running. I do not workout and have no problems with strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to use my muscles for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. As for isometrics I have to use them as part of a normal working day, I have not suffered in strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to be able to do multiple reps throughout my working day as well.
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Post by Mr Average on Mar 22, 2019 20:41:32 GMT
This just in: Isometrics cures depression!
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Post by golden on Mar 22, 2019 22:56:01 GMT
It means that if you don't continue to practice or use an ability, you might lose the ability. For example, if a person doesn't exercise his or her physical body, he or she will likely lose strength, endurance, and stamina. Similarly, if a person doesn't practice a new skill, such as driving a car or speaking a foreign language, he or she may forget or lose that skill. The same is true for the ability to learn and remember new information, do well with problem-solving, etc. Practicing, that is "using" these abilities helps improve them. Not using them often leads to less ability. Doing isometrics doesn't allow movement, only holding an exercise in one position for a set amount of time, in one position, not having any range of movement of the muscle involved. School is out now for the day, so I hope you all paid attention. Isometrics raises the blood pressure more than other forms of exercise, because you are exerting maximum pressure for ten seconds or so, and this spikes the blood pressure rapidly. If you don't have hypertension, no worries, if you do, exercise caution with isometrics. Ding dong, school is now dismissed for the day. So by your definition, because I have never done a deadlift in my life, I do not have the ability pick up an object that is in front of my feet. I will not have the ability to be able to run if I needed to, because I choose to walk from point a to point b instead of running. I do not workout and have no problems with strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to use my muscles for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. As for isometrics I have to use them as part of a normal working day, I have not suffered in strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to be able to do multiple reps throughout my working day as well.
If you don't run, you lose the ability to run as well as before, of course you still can walk. If you don't walk, your walking ability will diminish. We are talking about losing strength, stamina, and endurance, Mr. "Average". If you don't workout, you will still be able to function, of course, but not with the same abilities in regard to strength, endurance, and stamina. Please read carefully before you respond to posts, thank you. Otherwise, take note:The Valsalva maneuver describes a forceful exhalation against a closed epiglottis, which happens whenever you strain to lift something heavy and especially in isometric exercise. The Valsalva maneuver increases intra-abdominal pressure, which is necessary to stabilize your spine from within but also causes a dramatic rise in blood pressure. According to “The Essentials of Exercise Physiology" by William McArdle, Frank Katch and Victor Katch, the Valsalva maneuver can cause your blood pressure to rise from a normal resting level of 120 mmHg to over 300.
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Post by Mr Average on Mar 23, 2019 0:24:35 GMT
So by your definition, because I have never done a deadlift in my life, I do not have the ability pick up an object that is in front of my feet. I will not have the ability to be able to run if I needed to, because I choose to walk from point a to point b instead of running. I do not workout and have no problems with strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to use my muscles for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. As for isometrics I have to use them as part of a normal working day, I have not suffered in strength, endurance or stamina or the ability to be able to do multiple reps throughout my working day as well.
If you don't run, you lose the ability to run as well as before, of course you still can walk. If you don't walk, your walking ability will diminish. We are talking about losing strength, stamina, and endurance, Mr. "Average". If you don't workout, you will still be able to function, of course, but not with the same abilities in regard to strength, endurance, and stamina. Please read carefully before you respond to posts, thank you. Otherwise, take note:The Valsalva maneuver describes a forceful exhalation against a closed epiglottis, which happens whenever you strain to lift something heavy and especially in isometric exercise. The Valsalva maneuver increases intra-abdominal pressure, which is necessary to stabilize your spine from within but also causes a dramatic rise in blood pressure. According to “The Essentials of Exercise Physiology" by William McArdle, Frank Katch and Victor Katch, the Valsalva maneuver can cause your blood pressure to rise from a normal resting level of 120 mmHg to over 300.
Why did you use my comment section for your response m8?
So you think the only way to gain or maintain strength, endurance and stamina is through working out?
What is with this bro-science theory?
I have worked with many workout guys over the years, who have struggled to do manual work and keep up with non-workout guys, but go ahead and entertain me by carrying on with your you can only get strength, endurance and stamina through working out, I need a laugh.
Next you will be telling me that you need to have at least 48hrs rest, otherwise your muscles will become weaker.
BTW I can respond to any posts I want to m8, it is a free forum and especially when I think it is BS.
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