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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 31, 2017 18:56:02 GMT
"Dynamic Long Hold Isometrics", I don't know how else to describe these. I'm slowly changing the position and holding an isometric contraction at various points over about a 1-minute interval. its as good a name as anything else, but any description with isometrics and dynamic or movement in it, triggers Bruvs semantic warning systems like a verbal attack pattern I just don't want this place becoming as stupid as Transformetrics or Lionquest where people make up meaningless terms which are then followed by endless posts trying to explain what they really meant. If the exercise is not dynmaic, don't use the word dynamic. If it's not isometric then don't use the word isometric. It's pretty simple. There's enough words in the English language to explain if an exercise is fast, slow, static, changes positions etc.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 31, 2017 19:02:24 GMT
"A gentleman always says exactly what he means, and means exactly what he says."
- Peter O'Toole - The Last Emperor
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 31, 2017 19:03:38 GMT
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Post by fatjake on Oct 31, 2017 20:41:48 GMT
its as good a name as anything else, but any description with isometrics and dynamic or movement in it, triggers Bruvs semantic warning systems like a verbal attack pattern I just don't want this place becoming as stupid as Transformetrics or Lionquest where people make up meaningless terms which are then followed by endless posts trying to explain what they really meant. If the exercise is not dynmaic, don't use the word dynamic. If it's not isometric then don't use the word isometric. It's pretty simple. There's enough words in the English language to explain if an exercise is fast, slow, static, changes positions etc. so what is an agreeable term for an exercise which combines movement and isometrics like the one hagarwf described? There is force and some movement so its dynamic, plus there are isometrics so it's, well isometric - hence dynamic isometrics? I mean, moving isometrics seemed a simpler term to me but people got really upset over that
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 31, 2017 20:47:19 GMT
Well how about moving isometrics, tell me that if your carrying something and walking, it is not moving isometrics.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 31, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
When communication fails try words
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 1, 2017 3:06:35 GMT
Well how about moving isometrics, tell me that if your carrying something and walking, it is not moving isometrics. Moving COMBINED WITH an isometric or isometric COMBINED WITH movement, maybe. Moving isometrics is an oxymoron since muscle length doesn't change nor does joint angle when doing an isometric, but they do change when you move.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 1, 2017 3:29:09 GMT
Why can't it just be called "Flexing" or Tensing"?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 1, 2017 8:10:30 GMT
Just call it "The Hager" or something? I don't know why you guys think you have to shoe horn the word "isometrics" into everything? Hager's description of the exercise explained it simply but naming it "Dynamic Long Hold Isometrics" doesn't explain it at all. The static holds are only 8-10 seconds each. Since when was 8-10 seconds a long hold?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 1, 2017 8:13:13 GMT
Well how about moving isometrics, tell me that if your carrying something and walking, it is not moving isometrics. It's not a walking exercise, m8
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 1, 2017 9:00:09 GMT
Indeed. The word "isometric" never describes an moving effort. It doesn't make any sense to apply it to movement.
When I do something similar to what hager is describing, I call the pauses for holds - well - pauses. There is no isometric involved in the exercise since, even in the pause, there is still going to be joint/muscle movement, so no way can it be an isometric even though I'm pausing to hold. They are just pauses to hold as steadily as I can during an otherwise moving exercise.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 1, 2017 9:27:29 GMT
I'm beginning to wish that the word 'isometric' be removed from exercise vocabulary. Every time someone mentions doing an isometric while the exercised joint(s) are changing angles/muscles are changing length(s), my brain shuts down. It has the same WTF? effect on me that a statement like, "I ascend the staircase when I go downstairs" or "I stand motionless when I walk" would.
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Post by fatjake on Nov 1, 2017 10:01:12 GMT
Hager's description of the exercise explained it simply but naming it "Dynamic Long Hold Isometrics" doesn't explain it at all. yeah obviously a description is always going to explain something a lot better than just a name, I think that's why they call it a description A description of anything is always going to explain it better than just the name! Many names are not really very descriptive. For example, your suggestion for calling it "The Hager" wouldn't explain it at all either would it? people are getting far too crazy over this, there are tons of exercises that have both isometric components and also involve movement, in fact, its hard to think of an exercise that does not, its no big deal, there is no central authority for the naming of exercises, people should call things whatever they like as long as it makes some sense to them.
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Post by fatjake on Nov 1, 2017 10:13:05 GMT
When I do something similar to what hager is describing, I call the pauses for holds - well - pauses. There is no isometric involved in the exercise since, even in the pause, there is still going to be joint/muscle movement, so no way can it be an isometric even though I'm pausing to hold. They are just pauses to hold as steadily as I can during an otherwise moving exercise. what joint/muscle movement do you mean while you are pausing to hold? Surely if you pause there is no movement, as a pause actually means a temporary stop does it not, you say yourself you are "pausing to hold", so why can't that be described as isometric as we normally describe holds as isometric do we not? I mean if someone pauses in a movement and exerts force without moving, then someone just assumes that same position and exerts effort without moving, whats the difference? How can one be isometric while the other is not?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 1, 2017 11:08:59 GMT
Hager's description of the exercise explained it simply but naming it "Dynamic Long Hold Isometrics" doesn't explain it at all. yeah obviously a description is always going to explain something a lot better than just a name, I think that's why they call it a description A description of anything is always going to explain it better than just the name! Many names are not really very descriptive. For example, your suggestion for calling it "The Hager" wouldn't explain it at all either would it? Indeed but the name of the exercise doesn't need to describe it. Plenty of exercises have a name that doesn't describe the exercise but at least they are not usually oxymorons or suggesting the opposite of what the exercise actually is. I really don't see what the problem is with wanting to use adjectives correctly?
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